Where the FUK does this leave us as a society? As men?

Everyone has a fukin horror story or another to share now about a god-awful marriage. Divorce, a huge percentage, if not all relationships failing. Waking up at age 50 with no kids, chasing after 21 year old sloots.

WTF to do now? I'm talking to a new girl now who I am actually very into, and I am finding myself literally playing out the entire relationship in my head. What the FUK is the point to all this chit anymore? Seems like it's becoming clear that every single conceivable aspect is a scam?

Where the FUK does this leave us as a society?As men?

Everyone has a fukin horror story or another to share now about a god-awful marriage. Divorce, a huge percentage, if not all relationships failing. Waking up at age 50 with no kids, chasing after 21 year old sloots.

WTF to do now? I'm talking to a new girl now who I am actually very into, and I am finding myself literally playing out the entire relationship in my head. What the FUK is the point to all this chit anymore? Seems like it's becoming clear that every single conceivable aspect is a scam?

Amongst the working classes it is a problem, yeah, because it's so closely affiliated with the 'thug life'. Nobody (regardless of race or position) wants to acknowledge (or at least criticise) the connection as a result of various sensitivities, yet at the same time you have many of the 'rags to riches' (and even middle class black men) - the athletes, musicians - glorifying it. I know this annoys the **** out of a lot of my black friends.

To an extent this seems to be a problem with all lower socioeconomic groups in the West, especially when they're minorities. If you're short on options and have a lifestyle glamorised by people around you then it's going to tempt you.



Going back to your OP, it all ties together. We're at a time where people are pushing for liberal ideas over logic and practicality. The objectives themselves are usually very noble, but in practise they're not well thought out, and they're not always plausible. Additionally, there's so much information behind every social or political debate that 99% of people aren't going to have a real opinion beyond what's fed to them by the media and it's nearly all emotional rather than rational. This desire to appear 'liberal' has also led to a lot of virtue signalling and stifling of debate.

Enter our current 'issue' with gender roles. It's classic double-think. Girls are now being told that they should suppress their femininity in certain ways, and embrace it in others. That they should aspire to be more masculine, but also still respond the external stimuli as if they're victims etc. Meanwhile guys are being told that masculinity is bad. Throw in an innumerable number of contentions - often not debated for fear of not sounding liberal - and no concern regarding the cumulative effects of each 'fix' for the perceived issues, and you have our current situation where nobody knows what the hell's going on.

I don't think the issue is as wide-spread as it's perceived to be online.There have always been pitfalls to getting married and having relationships. That said, the main difference now is that men are being told to act in a way which is setting themselves up to be steam-rolled by girls (by being less masculine which girls inherently find unattractive), and girls are being told - in one of the best demonstrations of irony I've ever seen - to embrace the less desirable character traits of the stereo-typically masculine male. So on one hand they're being told that they're oppressed (and can largely do no wrong) and that men are going to **** them over if given a chance, but then they're also told to go out on a tear which (as anyone who's dated a lot knows) makes it a lot harder to 'settle' on one person largely because they know what else is out there.

*Edit

So to answer your question. I think we, as men, need to embrace our masculinity and accept that there's an increased element of risk when it comes to dating. But also we need to make sure the deal works for us.

I'd also suggest not getting overly attached to someone you've just started seeing. It's prone to **** your sh.it up mate.


*tl;dr

Everyone's confused. Girls have toughened up and men have been neutered. Don't let yourself be neutered.

My grandparents were so in love it was so cute, but on the other hand my ex's grandparents hated each other they were miserable till death. Now if you ask me that was a fail.



Son...You just went full potato

Newsflash, not everyone has a bad marriage.

Don't do anything because you think it's expected of you. Enter a relationship if you want it and if you think it's worth it. Get married if you love the girl and want to be with her the rest of your life. Have kids if you want to raise them and care for them.

Otherwise, stop trying to be what you think society wants you to be. There's nothing wrong with being single or not having kids. The reason the divorce rate is so high is because people try to force themselves into unwise marriages to begin with. Just embrace who you are, take pride in your work and/or hobbies, and then if you find someone you want to be with that's just an extra benefit for your life.

If you're unhappy now, and you aren't in a relationship, odds are just getting in a relationship will not make you happy.You should strive to be a happy and fulfilled person (which will make you more desirable to women btw) and then let romance happen if the person and timing and circumstances are right.

Stop being an insecure bitch , thats what you do.

This thread sounds like it was made by a ****ing woman

Newsflash, not everyone has a bad marriage.

To start with get off the misc because you are not going to get any positive responses off here. This forum is full of negative comments about women / relationships.

There are just as many good stories about successful relationships, not every relationship ends in divorce or pain or cheating. There are good people out there.

Just like news / media it is full of pain / saddness and negative , we are society addicted to the bad events in the world not the good

You've been infected brah. The only advice worth noting seriously from those type of guys is from the older brahs who got caught off guard with a girl who changed drastically during their relationship and got screwed in divorce etc.

Majority are circle jerking in denial of their failure with women/ and or associating with just degenerate women in general. Make up stories abotu bad dates, pwning off women. I am all for people doing their own thing, but when you start saying things like all girls are X and they all want Y, you gotta take a step back and realise these are the people that fade into the background in your life. You're not and never will be them so don't listen to them.