I hear you. Honestly knowing dudes are banging out 5's with double my max is humbling man. I'm not one to brag and wouldn't even I were able to deadlift advanced weight.

It's cool though, all the chit you guys are giving me is fueling the fire to get stronger!

I agree with the fact that you shouldn't do compounds until you know how to do them properly. That's why I suggest anyone who is starting out to invest a few hundred on 1-2 months of PROPER COACHING not a personal trainer from some chain gym.

The initial investment is so worth it.

I'll just leave this here;

Blah blah blah.

Everyone always says "You only get injured if you use incorrect form"

But common sense will tell you, thatextreme heavy weightthat compresses your spine, via gravity, will always be a great threat to your spinal discs.

The discs in your spine are made of a soft jelly substance, and when you compress your spine with heavy weights, it crushes all of the discs in your back.





Your back can deal with this, yeah. But consider the amount of weight you are placing on your spinal column. We're talkinghundreds of pounds. Over many years, this can degrade the quality of the discs in your back. And all it takes is ONE time for a crushed disc to pop open and you are ****ed.

And remember, Males are at greater risks for lower back injuries.

I have seen former marines, lifters, and construction workers be inTERRIBLEpain because of nerve damage in the spinal column, or herniated discs, etc.... grown ass tough men having to literally lay on the ground, unable to move or walk at ALL, with a quiet tear falling down their face because of the terrible nerve pain. I've seen this ****. The last thing you want to be, is a 40 year old with chronic, terrible back pain. You can't walk right, you can't sleep right, the pain never stops shooting up and down your leg and back. You will want to commit suicide.


I don't give a **** what anyone says.I treat my spinal column like it's made out of solid gold.I'd rather put stress on other areas..... there are other ways to strengthen your muscles without gravity and 400 pounds crushing your spinal column. Yeah, your back can deal with it. Until the day it gives out and you're ****ed.

op is a DYEL ******* /thread nothing else to see here

Isn't that why you strengthen the muscles around your spine to prevent the physical spine taking much of the load? Like building a house over the years so you can handle advanced weight with minimum odds of rupturing or destroying yourself. You're talking like the spine it's self is taking on close to 100% of the load and not the muscles around it. Isn't the reason for spine injuries because people make too large of a jump in weight or do it too many times over their lifting career without strong or big enough muscles to support the weight which leads to the deterioration of the spine?

Just asking is all.

Even though Mike O'Hearn is a lying douchebag who claims natural, that ****er is 48 and puts up 500 lbs on incline bench. It's like how some people can smoke everyday and live til 90, and some drop dead in their forties despite living a "healthy" life. Luck of the draw man.

I can't go heavier than 4 plates with good form so I have decided not to deadlift anymore. Feel like I get more benefit from squats anyway.

Yep. It's why LeBron James can go 14 years in the NBA without a significant injury, but some other guy pops his achilles and sits out a season. Deadlifts is probably the top 3 reason for gym injuries. People keep saying it's all about form, but not every human body is the same and can tolerate the extreme amounts of stress on your spine. It's just a dangerous exercise IMO and I avoid it.


I even go the extra mile. I own an Inversion table in my home (Ironman Gravity series)....... and you won't believe how great it feels to hang upside down and feel your spine decompress. You make gravity work the opposite way and your spine gets pulled apart, countering what gravity does to you every day. I've read studies that have been done that show that hanging upside down for a very short time is very good for your back.

Wait, you tore a bicep and don't know that preachers are the #1 way for guys to tear them? they're incredibly dangerous and stupidly retarded

torn bicep from goblet squats reporting in, OP is kind of right but leg press is terrible for your lower back especially a 45 degree sled and the kind of reps most people do. Massive disc hernation crew member, leg press makes it much worse

woah calm down slugger, please don't start bragging about benching 115 for 6x5

just wondering, did you get addicted to the pain meds? vicodin?

Unless you're observing the same people doing the same mistakes for MONTHS without correction, then this thread is pointless. But EVEN IF you've been observing them for x-months, who are you??

Actually 117.5lbs 6x6. Micro plates bruh, come at me muvafuka.

**** no, I took oxys for a week once and literally couldn't chit - it took me an hour of cursing and groaning to finally crap out coal nuggets.

I can't imagine taking that stuff for months, or years.

My back was doing ok until a FOB Chinaman in a minivan ran into the back of my car at 40 MPH last month and completely rekt it. Now I'm in constant low level pain and it sucks

If you look at every serious power lifter ever, they ALL get severely hurt at one point or another. "bah your form suks ph@ggot!!!" yeah tell that to them.

A lot of the "Squats, Deadlifts, Oats or nothing!" crowd are catered to the newer lifters which that stuff is better for. Building that base. when your younger you can get away with more, but as you age/gain milage/workout year on end you become more susceptible to injuries, even with "perfect form".

After lifting for probably close to a decade your close to your natural limit anyway. at this point it's just stay lean, healthy, and maintain while maybe trying out new exercises(calisthenics is cool for this, always a more advanced thing to work on) and do the safer exercises for legs. yes squats,deadlifts are "the most intense exercisers!!!". No they are not necesary. for a noob they are the best bang for the buck, but noone can do them consistantly for their entire life without geting their back fuked. its inevitable at some point. all it takes is 1 rep(doesn't even need to be a max out) to **** your back up with the damage lasting from a week or two of complete inactivity to possibly years. and the payoff in results is super minor.
How long do you stay inverted? I don't have one of thme, but I do daily handstands/headstands anyway and the benefits arn't just physical I can tell you that.

Lol at herniated disc from OHP

What kinda twink herniates a disc doing OHP??

Compound movements and heavy weights will make you just as big as "hypertrophy" training, but way way stronger.
But, you will experience more joint pain, more likely to get injured, more tired, etc.

It is up to you to decide what exercises to do. I obviously think full body compound movements are the way to go, but I always get a stiff lower back and feel achy overall. I have read Starting Strength 4-5 times and I probably do the movements better than Rippetoe himself(joking). Meanwhile I see idiots with horrendous form who seem to have 0 issues.

Nowadays I still do full body workouts, but with 8-10 reps. My lower back feels way better. My knees and elbows thank me too. I progress the weight not when I hit my reps target, but when I hit them with a certain RPE.

Hey it me former Ronnie

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Deadlifts two plates wooah there big boy are you starting to fear your own strength?

just lol @ not caring about progressive overload
just lol @ too much volume the central nervous system cant recover from
just lol @ bro splits as a natty
just lol @ doing more isolation than compound exercises



80% of my workouts consist of heavy compounds







still have a 9/10 body, you mad?

You are 23... Keep lifting heavy and report back. I am in favor for heavy compounds too, but we can't ignore the fact that eventually they will take a serious toll on our bodies. Couple it with shaky form on working sets and you will 100% have issues later on.

I actually tell my friends (already 5 of them) to do compounds. I make sure I always stay with them during their first 4 weeks. And specifically during these 4 weeks, I tell them to lift light weight to get used to the movement. Then just add incremental weights (2.5lbs each side for BP/OHP, 5lbs each side for SQ/DL). I think it works well for them. One of my friends who have been training for 10 months, is already in club 1000 lbs.

I believe in the novice phase, everyone should get familiarized with compound movements. You are not going to break your spine with 225lbs squat FFS. However, it is of UTMOST importance to ask someone who knows how to lift & coach to coach you. In the intermediate level, you slowly start adding in more isolation movements. Once you get advanced, you can stick with compound exercises, or just abolish them completely.

idc what other people do, but i'll agree that the big 3 compounds are overrated as fk for muscle development

I've never hurt my back but have injured my left shoulder and right glute. I do all the main compound lifts and extremely heavy rows off the floor.

Even with good form you can still fck up your back pretty easy. That's the scary part to me. And once you have chronic back pain you'll be WISHING you hadn't even bothered with deadlifts/squats. And wouldn't that defeat the purpose of getting in better shape anyway?

Brb trying to get healthy
Brb destroying spine slowly with years of heavy compounds
Brb POP in back one day
Brb spend rest of life in pain bc 'misc said I had to deadlift'

Body weight compounds are great though

Doing some deadlifts today and I will surely think OP is a ******* as I do it

This. Big difference if you go for #'s and ego or if you're doing compounds reasonably.

I recently started doing a warmup barbell flow including ohp, front quat, rows, dl, then back squat. feelsgoodmane.

If I want a HIT I will add some weight and do as many rounds of the flow as possible in 20 minutes. I only do that once a week because it can be exhausting.
I'm not loading up 300lbs for one big pull, but I can assure you I'm getting stronger all around (as I am also doing more traditional lifts on other days or after warm up). No idea why you'd never do compounds or consider them "bad". Please just reduce the weight, work on your form, add some together for a flow, etc.

It all comes down to a little concept called "Darwinism". If the idiots who are doing them wildly incorrectly aren't smart enough to realize that they're putting themselves in danger... well, maybe when they snap something they'll smarten up. We can encourage safe performance of the lifts and offer as much information as possible so that they have the means to learn, but we can't force people to do them right.

Avi not even once.

Also, Strongest username to thread topic ratio ive seen in a long time.