Sports injury therapist(??) idk the degree off hand. Regardless there's more factors than I smoke that lead to having health complications that are tertiary. Compounding factors. Also the psychological implications that one smokes are more often a result of self destructive life style than not. That is an issue in regards to the individual, not the product

The thread was are smokers dumb? I posted my experience with it. I'm not comparing it to any of those things because I agree all of those are terrible.

Never met my grandmother, she was hit by drunk driver.

You are getting defensive about people disliking smoking. I am not telling people to do anything else or distracting anyone. God you are stupid srs

Okay.

I quit for a few months, bought a pack the other day

I like smoking. It's not smart though

You have some of the stupidest posts of any miscer. How are you not red?

So let me get this straight... If i smoke i die.

So if i don't smoke I'll live forever?

Just lol at the guys that have not embraced death.

Only when you TRULY accept the fact that you ARE going to die, can you begin to live.

Most people don't have the balls to look death in the eye.
They just bury it in the back of their mind.

Think about this right now for a moment....
One day, today or in a few years, you will be at the end of your life. You will be facing death. You will have to accept that at that moment, the biggest fear known to humans is happening to you... You're DYING.
You can't escape it. This is it. Does it hurt. Do you have another way out? No. You're dying RIGHT NOW.
What do you do? There's nothing you CAN do. You die.

If you drink water and don't smoke you won't avoid this.
You'll still have to go through it. And nobody can help you. You die alone. Nobody dies with you.
And even after your heart stops. There is still oxygen in your blood, and blood in your brain.
You will probably hear the doctors day you're dead.
This is pure horror if you can't accept death.

So i have faced death. Yeah i smoke. Yeah i ride motorbikes and do other dangerous things.

I don't give a **** srs. When I die my body will have the scars and injuries I lived with. I'm not one of these collectors that keeps their star wars figures on a shelf in pristine packaging. I rip the box up on the way home. And that toy will enjoy it's life.

What basically happened is most of them were pressured to try it or tried it a long time ago for the novelty, and now they are addicted. The addiction has made them get cucked by the tobacco companies. The minor benefit of being slightly leaner and more alert is highly offset by the negatives, but people still smoke. It's the same reason why people drink or do drugs.

They aren't necessarily stupid. Addiction forces your brain to do weird gymnastics to rationalize your behavior. I remember when I knew coca cola was bad for me, but was still mindlessly chugging that chit. It took a lot to stop, and that stuff is barely addictive compared to real drugs. It takes a lot of will AND some chemical help to quit nicotine.

Some of you guys are missing the point and just basing it on how long you will live or how fast you will die. The most important thing is the QUALITY of life you will be living while smoking. Cant breathe properly, teeth and gums start rotting, cant taste food, coughing all the time feeling like something is stuck in your lungs etc etc.... could go on forever....

i always laugh when beercels hate cig smokers and then go home to a 6 pack (or more).

brb dui
brb emotional, aggressive, sloppy
brb alcohol breath and sweat smells equally disgusting to cigs
brb costs more than cigs
brb fat
brb headaches, hangovers, stomach problems
brb failed organs
brb 350x350% more alcohol fueled related deaths, injuries, assaults, rapes and accidents in 1 year than cigs have ever caused
brb only smoke when i drink, copecel
brb 'i only drink on the weekend, they smoke all day' copecel
brb drunk texts and smashing whales
brb blaming anything on alcohol, cuckcel
brb innocent people are killed violently everyday by drunks and u complain about 2nd hand smoke
brb i need it to fit in or make friends, copecel
brb beergut
brb depression

just goes without saying, if any miscerneedseither a drink OR a smoke within 48 hours you are an addict, no matter how functional or progressive you think you might be.

inb4 i smoke cigs, nope. completely sober in every sense. for the record- dont think im better than anyone who has an addiction, im not, just pointing out the irony with all the cope itt.

You shouldn't smoke if you're white.

it'll age you like a mofo.

Unhealthy as fcuk and smells like chit.

I can confirm the effects on physical performance are almost instant.

As for smart people having been smokers. I obvioisly dont think smoking makes you smarter. Maybe more that smarter people are more likely to end up disconnected from society and just not care.

Wow sound so cool. Live your live however you want but smoking also affect people around you. Also people saying they wanna die by X age is idiotic. Age is just a number. You can be healthy 70 and be younger than a 50 yo smoker.
No thx to living with injuries, brb cannot climb this stair because my foot is amputated because of PVD.

Pretty much this. I try to be healthy and maximize the time I have to fuk around on this earth as much as I can within reason but as a human you aren't immortal. Life would be dull as fuk if you took the safest path at every junction. Why place so much value on life if you restrict what you are able to do and only take the known and supposedly "safe" path?

For example, it's part of the reason why I hate when straight edge type people talk about drugs. They don't know dick and just recite stats and "I've seen firsthand..." statements. I've experimented with nearly every type of psychedelic and common stimulant available and still wouldn't go around throwing blanket statements about substances to the uninformed, it's not my place. I also live a very healthy lifestyle free from addiction. lol @ basing your whole opinion on something on government health propaganda and social trends. "Meth not even once, pot's not bad for you... cigs will kill you" just lmao...

Think about things for yourself, weigh the risks and live your own life.

As much as I'd love to sit here and chat with your defense mechanism I'm gonna have to guide you back to my point.

Accepting death.

My injuries have come from everything in life that's supposed to be "Ok" and not dangerous.

Smoking doesn't do fukin schit to those around you.
It's not I'm hotboxing a phonebox full of vegans. There's more danger from living in a house near a road that cars drive down.

Comment on my point about FACING THE REALITY OF DEATH pls.

Don't be scared to think about it

My point here is: death is not the end all be all that you made it out to be. there is more to it such as How you die? few year before you die, how is your quality of life? how does it affect your family? Ie the difference between dying of old age in your sleep vs going in and out of hospitals, getting chopped up and hooked to machines and then die. Notice that in the latter scenario, society is spending more resouces on you.
Also, yes smoking does affect others. It doesn't matter if the danger is big or small, you are imposing that danger on other.

can you get the same cognitive benefits of nicotine with nicotine patches or gum, but without the harmful effects?

(I don't smoke, never will)


Smoking is the worst when you're doing laps at the pool, and some douche decides to light one up by the poolside. Yay, get to inhale all the awful smelling bulchit every time I come up for a breath.

Nicotine is harmful by itself, being addictive and a vasoconstrictor. Ofc better than smoking, but generally id avoid being physiologically addicted to anything
Caffeine seems safe

You =/= everyone else

Don't worry about the opinion of someone that doesn't know the difference between addicting and addictive.

Pretty sure most smokers are aware of this. And not all smokers are low IQ cretins, in fact a lot are upstanding members of society. Any who gives a chit if someone smokes, unless they're blowing that chit in my face I couldn't care less if someone smokes.

Smoking is a personal choice. Worry more about your own shiit.

You only live once guise..just smoke and enjoy

strong stats to content to reason for being here ratio.

btw its not a workout "plan" its a "lifestyle"

thats where you have been failing. Its not a temporary program, its a new way of life.

That's after 20 years of smoking a pack a day tho

Smoking is the most common cause of lung cancer

Cancer's the third most common cause of death in America

Lung cancer specifically is the #1 killer of all cancers out there (Breast/Prostate cancer are the most common cancers, but Lung cancer kills many more people). It often metastasizes to brain, bones, lungs.


Source: any medical textbook out there

Smoking contributes to: high blood pressure, atherosclerosis, stroke, drastically increases risk of heart attack and increases the risk of cancers (eso****eal, nasopharyngeal, lung, stomach, pancreatic, renal, colon (I think), etc...)
It's really quite embarrassing this day and age to see someone smoking - and just know the damage they're causing to their body with the current state of knowledge. It's like a prolonged form of suicide.



If we were an educated society and went by facts alone - smoking would have been banned a long time ago.
The fact that cigarettes are still allowed to exist is for reasons only political.



Smoking is the leading cause of preventable deaths in the US along with high blood pressure (which smoking directly induces high blood pressure).
Danaei G, et al (2009). The preventable causes of death in the United States: Comparative risk assessment of dietary, lifestyle and metabolic risk factors. PLoS Med 6(4).

And to those saying 'worry about yourself and let people do what they want.' Actually, let's not - smoking is the definition of 'wasteful spending' when it comes to taxpayers' money and the healthcare industry. The huge drain of economic and fiscal resources in the healthcare system on smoking is enormous. If smokers would just take a reality check - quit (yes, there are many anti-smoking aids these days to help people quit - Nicotine gum/patches, Wellbutrin, etc) - we could divert huge amounts of funding to healthcare matters that need to be addressed.

You think obesity is a problem? Lol, smoking is worse. Much worse.

Smoking as a term is ridiculous.

I will have a smoke, like I have a drink.

I go out for drinks like once a week and have three or four. I will have one or two cigarettes.

I'm had people who know me say "I didn't know you were a SMOKER!!!!!" and I will say, "I don't smoke".

Smoking is like anything else. If you smoke packs a day it's just as dangerous as if you ate ten burgers a day.

My latest thing is that I've been getting ripped, on fast food, since I have little choice due to my lifestyle. I'm just counting cals and macros. People have been pointing out that I look great, am ripped, etc then I say, and it's all on fast food. Their facial expressions are beyond compare, it's like astonishment with disgust.

My follow up line is, "Food is just molecules and it doesn't matter how they're formed, they just need to be the right molecules for your body" and that further blows their mind.

My point is that there's no such thing as all or nothing smoking, so, when talking about it, you'd have to talk about dosage. What dosage of cigarettes causes cancer, and so on. Then you're having a discussion, if not, you're having a "mommy talk" where your mom warns you some mundane activity will destroy you.

You're such a weird dude.

Just about everything you stated has been listed and addressed with specific statistics to tone down your over dramatic presentation in the last 4 pages w sources. How can you even cite an article that claims "leading cause of preventable deaths" with a straight face. Your reading comprehension is almost as embarrassing as your post to rep ratio

Do what you like, but:

1. Cancers are caused by smoking:
Parkin DM et al (1994). At least one in seven cases of cancer is caused by smoking. Global estimates for 1985. Int J Cancer 59(4):494-504. (Cancer prevelance has drastically increased since 1985 regardless)

2. It's well established that smoking causes lung cancer irrefutably. Risk factors for lung cancer: smoking (>90%), asbestos and radon exposure. How often do you hear about asbestos and radon exposure anymore (hardly ever).
Cao C, Lai T, Li M et al (2016). Smoking-promoted oxidative DNA damage response is highly correlated to lung carcinogenesis. Oncotarget 7(14):18919-26.


Though I know no one can tell you what to do - be aware that by stating the fact that you'll continue to smoke (when the correlation with cancer is overwhelming) with such a cavalier attitude, you are indirectly saying:
1. Yes, we should continue spending a large portion of taxpayers (and personal) money in healthcare on reversible causes of mortality and morbidity.And yes, I say 'taxpayers money' as the NIH is funded as such - and the NIH funds research into Lung Cancer therapies.
2. Yes, I know other people have recognized the facts and quit (in attempt to save lives and fiscal spending) - but I'll choose to do the opposite. People have struggled to quit - but nevertheless quit. They obviously had a reason for the struggle.
3. Yes, we know the correlation between cigarettes and cancer - we could divert the funding from working on lung cancer therapies to some other form of cancer for which there is no correlation with a preventable cause (breast cancer for instance) - but nah, let's keep the money in lung cancer

The above reasons are incredibly ignorant. If you think it'll be difficult to quit - there are people and therapies to help you. If you choose not to quit - it is absolutely entirely on you, and yes - many people will see and identify this callous behavior and treat you differently because of such.