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05-11-2017, 12:04 PM
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you really think kids would grow up to be productive in a polygamous society? where the father leaves most of the time?
i get some arguments about polygamy, but this part gets me. i think a polygamous society is degenerate as phuck.
within science, its not known at all whether humans are naturally polygamous or not..
i just dont really see where humans are now (monogamous) as unnatural
makes a lot more sense for a father to stay for a myriad of reasons
i get some arguments about polygamy, but this part gets me. i think a polygamous society is degenerate as phuck.
within science, its not known at all whether humans are naturally polygamous or not..
i just dont really see where humans are now (monogamous) as unnatural
makes a lot more sense for a father to stay for a myriad of reasons
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Originally Posted By Tuksonrider⏩
scishow made a great video on monogamy.True. We are not, and it is a choice that we consciously make... or don't make.
Also, I agree about the drugs. Drugs/alcohol obviously play a negative role in some families.
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Originally Posted By Ironmanlet⏩
Isn't this the military 110%? Dead srs.Meh, I wont subscribe to the cult like organization, but I will never willingly give myself a financial or legal obligation to another person. But that is not the point of this thread.
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05-11-2017, 12:16 PM
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I think it's unfair for women to expect monogamy when 80% of women only want to date 30% of men. Misc exaggerates 80/20 but at the end of the day an average guy would happily fuk an average girl but an average girl will not be nearly as interested in an average guy. Mathematically it doesn't make sense for women to expect monogamy. If I say this irl people get triggered as fuk
05-11-2017, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted By KMadigan777⏩
The military is a huge obligation. And if I cheat on it, it will kick me out of the house and take all my money.Isn't this the military 110%? Dead srs.
A lot of people have a pretty stressful military career and for some, it can turn out to be significantly negatively impacting on their life (war aside, legal and financial aspects). Not that mine is not stressful, it very much is so, but I have been fortunate in my career.
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05-11-2017, 12:36 PM
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Not surprising coming from somebody who hasn't spoken to his family since he was 18.
Maybe it's time to reconcile with your parents.
Maybe it's time to reconcile with your parents.
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Originally Posted By WishIWasJawBrah⏩
not doing the whole personal anecdote thing.Not surprising coming from somebody who hasn't spoken to his family since he was 18.
Maybe it's time to reconcile with your parents.
Maybe it's time to reconcile with your parents.
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I do not have a trailer.I can see trailer life is going well..
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No it isnt. Theres equally as many happily married successful couples as there are bitter FAs. These people probably just living outside your sphere of influence. Are you the dude who lives in his car? No shyt your gonna see poverty white trash in your trailor park. In the upper middle class neighborhoods/suburbs the family unit is alive.
Coming from someome who doesnt want kids or a family. Stop deluding yourself into believing what the MISC conitnuously vomits back up, its toxic
Coming from someome who doesnt want kids or a family. Stop deluding yourself into believing what the MISC conitnuously vomits back up, its toxic
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05-11-2017, 01:04 PM
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I agree with you OP that it is better for some people but not most. Also, aren't you the 40-year old virgin? Lol at you having any sort of belief that the choices you have made in life are any better.
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05-11-2017, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted By FlexLex⏩
I realize I have not yet explained what motivated this post...No it isnt. Theres equally as many happily married successful couples as there are bitter FAs. These people probably just living outside your sphere of influence. Are you the dude who lives in his car? No shyt your gonna see poverty white trash in your trailor park. In the upper middle class neighborhoods/suburbs the family unit is alive.
Coming from someome who doesnt want kids or a family. Stop deluding yourself into believing what the MISC conitnuously vomits back up, its toxic
Coming from someome who doesnt want kids or a family. Stop deluding yourself into believing what the MISC conitnuously vomits back up, its toxic
Full House, Fresh Prince, Step by Step, Sister Sister, Living Single, Different Strokes, Punky Brewster, Who's the Boss, My Two Dads.....
the list goes on. A huge percent of the Sitcoms of the 80's and 90's involved non-conventional families and the issues they faced.
Surely this huge genre relied on this shared concept because of the few bitter FA like myself related to it, and not a large percent of the population.
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05-11-2017, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted By EAOP⏩
TIA.I agree. Mostly.
1. The nuclear family is dead. Yes. Mostly. Even though there are some families for whom this is not the truth, like the poster above, with the divorce rates as high as they are and getting higher still, I don't see how anyone can argue that the nuclear family isn't at the very least, on its way out.
2. Humans are not monogamous. Do you mean that we are not innately so? Even if that is true, our biological wiring shouldn't make a difference because we are thinking beings who can control our baser instincts. Monogamy is good for building healthy societies which is why people have been trying to uphold the value for so long.
I personally, am monogamous, and could never be in a relationship that was not. I would rather remain single. I know many many others like me too.
But, seeing as society as we know it is deteriorating, it looks like monogamy is another value on its way out.
3. Raising children is a chore. Agreed. Dwindling resources and inequality being at an all time high makes this an unfortunate fact. Those who can afford to feed and raise their kids with a good standard of living without breaking their backs are in the minority. Most people in the world can barely afford to feed themselves let alone raise another human being.
1. The nuclear family is dead. Yes. Mostly. Even though there are some families for whom this is not the truth, like the poster above, with the divorce rates as high as they are and getting higher still, I don't see how anyone can argue that the nuclear family isn't at the very least, on its way out.
2. Humans are not monogamous. Do you mean that we are not innately so? Even if that is true, our biological wiring shouldn't make a difference because we are thinking beings who can control our baser instincts. Monogamy is good for building healthy societies which is why people have been trying to uphold the value for so long.
I personally, am monogamous, and could never be in a relationship that was not. I would rather remain single. I know many many others like me too.
But, seeing as society as we know it is deteriorating, it looks like monogamy is another value on its way out.
3. Raising children is a chore. Agreed. Dwindling resources and inequality being at an all time high makes this an unfortunate fact. Those who can afford to feed and raise their kids with a good standard of living without breaking their backs are in the minority. Most people in the world can barely afford to feed themselves let alone raise another human being.
I think the issue isn't so much "are these statements true" as it is are these behaviors healthy for individuals or for humans in general.
And I've never given anyone a hard time about choosing to not be married. IMO marriage is mostly about if you want to raise kids together. If not then making it legal is a personal decision, since if choosing not to makes thing end worse then it is only falling on grown ups that were part of making the decision.
I'm curious if we will see more communal living or people living in extended families because the rent is too damn high.
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Originally Posted By DassItMan⏩
It's been like this since the beginning of time and will never changeI think it's unfair for women to expect monogamy when 80% of women only want to date 30% of men. Misc exaggerates 80/20 but at the end of the day an average guy would happily fuk an average girl but an average girl will not be nearly as interested in an average guy. Mathematically it doesn't make sense for women to expect monogamy. If I say this irl people get triggered as fuk
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Originally Posted By Ironmanlet⏩
“Where there was nature and earth, life and water, I saw a desert landscape that was unending, resembling some sort of crater, so devoid of reason and light and spirit that the mind could not grasp it on any sort of conscious level and if you came close the mind would reel backward, unable to take it in. It was a vision so clear and real and vital to me that in its purity it was almost abstract. This was what I could understand, this was how I lived my life, what I constructed my movement around, how I dealt with the tangible. This was the geography around which my reality revolved: it did not occur to me, ever, that people were good or that a man was capable of change or that the world could be a better place through one’s own taking pleasure in a feeling or a look or a gesture, of receiving another person’s love or kindness. Nothing was affirmative, the term “generosity of spirit” applied to nothing, was a cliche, was some kind of bad joke. Sex is mathematics. Individuality no longer an issue. What does intelligence signify? Define reason. Desire- meaningless. Intellect is not a cure. Justice is dead. Fear, recrimination, innocence, sympathy, guilt, waste, failure, grief, were things, emotions, that no one really felt anymore. Reflection is useless, the world is senseless. Evil is its only permanence. God is not alive. Love cannot be trusted. Surface, surface, surface, was all that anyone found meaning in…this was civilization as I saw it, colossal and jagged…”The nuclear family is dead.
Humans are not monogamous.
Raising children is a chore.
Come at me.
Humans are not monogamous.
Raising children is a chore.
Come at me.
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Whether humans are, or are not monogamous is debatable. There are scientific studies showing that humans became monogamous because of Sexual Transmitted Infections. Because STDs/STIs mutate and form from bacteria within semen, vaginal secretions and saliva. Humans could be polygamous, however they would have to refrain from having too much sex (perhaps only to procreate).
The nuclear family isn't necessarily a good thing or a bad thing, however, in our society it appears to be a good thing, especially if you compare the data between broken families and strong nuclear families. Those in broken families almost always tend to be dysfunctional and further chaotic.
Raising children is in fact a chore, especially so in our current/modern society. But then again, if you look at a lioness, or any female animal, raising her cubs is a challenge, even more so than it is for humans (survival). So, all in all your three points are interesting, however certainly not applicable to the rudimentary human "wiring". You cannot make such claims with utter certainty, you don't have any information or data to prove your points. Everything is just a personal opinion based on the experiences you have experienced/observed (anecdotal).
The nuclear family isn't necessarily a good thing or a bad thing, however, in our society it appears to be a good thing, especially if you compare the data between broken families and strong nuclear families. Those in broken families almost always tend to be dysfunctional and further chaotic.
Raising children is in fact a chore, especially so in our current/modern society. But then again, if you look at a lioness, or any female animal, raising her cubs is a challenge, even more so than it is for humans (survival). So, all in all your three points are interesting, however certainly not applicable to the rudimentary human "wiring". You cannot make such claims with utter certainty, you don't have any information or data to prove your points. Everything is just a personal opinion based on the experiences you have experienced/observed (anecdotal).
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The nuclear family is dead. --> In western, less traditional countries I agree to a point, but ultimately it depends on the person and the family and how willing they are to hold to the belief in a nuclear family.
Humans are not monogamous. --> Humans can be monogamous or polygamous, it's pretty much a choice. If you're meaning they're more likely to not to be monogamous now, then yeah you're right, "traditionalism" is dying in America. The sexual revolution and multiple neoliberal movements, etc. If you think that's bad, then that's on you. Personally, I don't understand people bitching about migrants attacking "Western Culture", and then seeing those same people then bitch about their own western culture lmao.
Raising children is a chore. --> Raising children is gonna be difficult for anyone. Anyone can be a parent, it's different to actually be a "good parent."
In eastern europe, the middle east, africa, and asia, monogamy, the nuclear family, and raising children are all pretty simple in comparison, but the west has so much more to offer in terms of self-success and possibilities for a better future.
Humans are not monogamous. --> Humans can be monogamous or polygamous, it's pretty much a choice. If you're meaning they're more likely to not to be monogamous now, then yeah you're right, "traditionalism" is dying in America. The sexual revolution and multiple neoliberal movements, etc. If you think that's bad, then that's on you. Personally, I don't understand people bitching about migrants attacking "Western Culture", and then seeing those same people then bitch about their own western culture lmao.
Raising children is a chore. --> Raising children is gonna be difficult for anyone. Anyone can be a parent, it's different to actually be a "good parent."
In eastern europe, the middle east, africa, and asia, monogamy, the nuclear family, and raising children are all pretty simple in comparison, but the west has so much more to offer in terms of self-success and possibilities for a better future.
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Originally Posted By Ironmanlet⏩
I'm legit trying to understand how you say you don't want to commit to other things but you are in the military. Not trolling with this.The military is a huge obligation. And if I cheat on it, it will kick me out of the house and take all my money.
A lot of people have a pretty stressful military career and for some, it can turn out to be significantly negatively impacting on their life (war aside, legal and financial aspects). Not that mine is not stressful, it very much is so, but I have been fortunate in my career.
A lot of people have a pretty stressful military career and for some, it can turn out to be significantly negatively impacting on their life (war aside, legal and financial aspects). Not that mine is not stressful, it very much is so, but I have been fortunate in my career.
Also with your fresh prince etc, the answer to this is our culture is actively being destroyed, just because its on tv doesn't mean it is 'normal'.
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Originally Posted By Ironmanlet⏩
So? GoT is by far the best show out now, it doesnt mean people want to go to medieval times... not to mention a lot of those shoes showed the healthy family unit in its natural stateI realize I have not yet explained what motivated this post...
Full House, Fresh Prince, Step by Step, Sister Sister, Living Single, Different Strokes, Punky Brewster, Who's the Boss, My Two Dads.....
the list goes on. A huge percent of the Sitcoms of the 80's and 90's involved non-conventional families and the issues they faced.
Surely this huge genre relied on this shared concept because of the few bitter FA like myself related to it, and not a large percent of the population.
Full House, Fresh Prince, Step by Step, Sister Sister, Living Single, Different Strokes, Punky Brewster, Who's the Boss, My Two Dads.....
the list goes on. A huge percent of the Sitcoms of the 80's and 90's involved non-conventional families and the issues they faced.
Surely this huge genre relied on this shared concept because of the few bitter FA like myself related to it, and not a large percent of the population.
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Originally Posted By Doc_Detroit⏩
I have a feeling you haven't visited Africa.In eastern europe, the middle east, africa, and asia, monogamy, the nuclear family, and raising children are all pretty simple in comparison
(Also several middle eastern states do not practise monogamy).
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Op is right srs.
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Originally Posted By Maatkarah⏩
I noticed this as wellI have a feeling you haven't visited Africa.
(Also several middle eastern states do not practise monogamy).
(Also several middle eastern states do not practise monogamy).
.I live in Africa. There are 54 countries on this continent with thousands of tribes and vastly different cultures so I can't speak for all of them but I can assure you that the for the hundreds of cultures I've come across, polygamy, for the man at least, and extended families are more the norm.
Or more exactly, women are expected to be monogamous while men have "side dishes". Men often have kids outside marriage and as long as they can support all their dependents, society normally looks the other way. If a woman so much as looks at another man outside of her marriage, she'll be ostracized immediately.
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Originally Posted By BaconEggs⏩
To an extent yea. I don't think throughout human history we ever had a time where media tried to shame men for getting laid. Saying the word fukboy as if it's a bad thing and only men's fault is a biological contradiction. Also being a sloot had more social repercussions in the past too I imagineIt's been like this since the beginning of time and will never change
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Originally Posted By KMadigan777⏩
I don't take you as trolling. You have a valid perspective. All it comes down to is that I have been unusually fortunate with the military. Honestly, to a degree, that has a lot to do with my mindset (unfiltered in this threead).I'm legit trying to understand how you say you don't want to commit to other things but you are in the military. Not trolling with this.
Also with your fresh prince etc, the answer to this is our culture is actively being destroyed, just because its on tv doesn't mean it is 'normal'.
Also with your fresh prince etc, the answer to this is our culture is actively being destroyed, just because its on tv doesn't mean it is 'normal'.
I joined at 17 shortly after the WTC. That was my motivation. Since then I have established myself.
You have not come out and called me a hypocrite, but I get it. I have this one significant obligation and reject others. The truth is, I can be dedicated to my job, and accelerate at it because of a lack of other commitments. This is a pretty well understood concept I think. But you are absolutely right to call me on it.
Originally Posted By FlexLex⏩
****ty analogy. These sitcoms popped up giving people a way to empathize and mentally deal with issues that they experience.So? GoT is by far the best show out now, it doesnt mean people want to go to medieval times... not to mention a lot of those shoes showed the healthy family unit in its natural state
Your fantasy dragon thing is a distraction, an escape from their issues.
Try again.
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Originally Posted By arn710⏩
You're the one calling people names. Jesus Christ, chill the phuck out.You are a coward. You won't post this somewhere that you won't get the support you're looking for. Check
You won't actually engage in sensible discussion about this and instead pass off your outside opinions as fact. Check.
Post this on your ******** wall and PM me a screen shot. I'll rep you and all of my posts in this thread.
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