The average household income in the US is ~59k. thats two people working full time bringing home enough to live. One person making 60k is doing well in my book. The misc is full of delusional morons that have never been in the real world.

Yea the cognitive dissonance is pretty amazing. I mean, shyet, my own view is skewed at times due to living in CA in a high COL area. Important to remember 60-70K goes a long way in majority of the country. A couple making 150K in an average cost of living area probably does pretty damn well.

I think we all know mathematics will always be king...

This forum is filled with young dudes that has never stepped into the working world, they all believe they're gonna turn out special, nothing wrong with that BTW, its the best feeling in your final year of uni, thinking of that 100k corporate job, how you'll be hella baller, get super swole, marry that right girl, have that "simple" life, a huge house, 3 investment properties, a decent car, maybe a lexus or merc, kids go to private school, an awesome work-life balance, concentrate on lifting and hobbies during your free time, and kids are absolute little darlings just like hollywood said it would be.

then they go out and get raped in their brown eye, work 100 hours in a 50k auditor big4 job, gf leaves you, but you can't even remember what she looks like anymore, but its ok, houses cost 1mil, rental is 50% of your salary, so you stay with your parents, who downgrades you to the basement, while the family dog takes your room. Knock up some whale on a drunken night out, and fight with custody of your kids, who you suspect are satan incarnate, as they smeared chit all over their walls last night, while they were suspended for 30 days for standing up to a bully under the 0-tolerance rules.

but its ok for them to dream man. Its the last dream they have before they wake up.

In all seriousness, life turns out to be ok though. I was on 30k when I first started working, more than tripled to 6 digits after 8 years of working. Wife is still skinny HBB. Houses are expensive as fuk though, maxed out our credit to the hilt to buy one, but eh, that's life. Drive a chitty yaris, but I hate driving, so its ok fam.

Problem with STEM degrees is they are fuking hard and most people are not gifted enough to do them. I know I don’t have that innate ability. Most jobs require a degree in something, so I don’t think all outside STEM are worthless. Congrats if you are blessed with intelligence.

99% of the time, it usually comes down to attitude, discipline and determination rather than intelligence. Deep down, you know it too.

No. If you are terrible at math like I am, you will not be able to do most of those degrees. Other subjects you can learn by sheer determination, but subjects like math and chemistry, you have to be gifted. I took pre-calc in high school and tried calc in college and could not get anywhere in it.

Seems like you're suited for accounting (srs).

Just need to be detail-oriented.

Which aspect of math are you bad at? Simple sums? Stats? Transformations? Calc? Trig? All are extremely different from each other, and all require very different way of thinking.

Did you practice over and over again? I was bad at trig, so I memorised and did the fukking thing over and over till I could see patterns in the questions, and what was required. Don't need to be smart to do that.

Some people understand, and are able to visualise more quickly than others, but if you're not gifted, you can practice till you understand the thing by rote.

Also, sometimes you don't understand easier stuff till you learn harder stuff. I didn't know WTF trig meant, just did it by heart, till I learnt transformation, then I understood both well.

Not having a go at you brah, but everyone can learn college-level math with enough determination and will.

Also, the further you go in math, the less you calculate and the more you write.

accounting has plenty of calc.

simple example, dude borrows 80k at 7.25% compounding interest, what is the monthly repayment?

payroll tax is 4.85% above 700k. How much do you pay employee category A, including super (401k for you Americans), so that you keep payroll tax below 20k?

and these are the super basic stuff that even higher-level bookkeepers can do. You'd die instantly without calc. in accounting.

I don’t even have a clue, it was 17 years ago. To be able to do that level of math now, I would have to start over at like the 5th grade level.

Lol at expecting 17/18 year old freshers to have their career planned out in a linear fashion

Lots of truth here. Much of math up to (and including) the college level can be learned with memorization, and just working extra hard at practice problems. Heck calculus at its very essence is based on simple inequalities (learned in 7th grade math)- the rest is mostly memorization, no different than what you find in a history class.

I get the whole math anxiety thing. But people in general are more capable than they think, they just don't give the subject a proper chance. Many times it's rooted in bad memories or unfounded fear going back to grade school.

Econ major here, 3 year arts degree coming in at 98k this year.

Probably spent a combined 40 hours studying spread out over that time and basically just drank, banged sloots and skated by with a solid 3.0.

Have fun with your cope, engineering nerds. Sorry you missed out on the college experience, I'm sure you'll recoup the fun glorious free time of your youth while you optimize hvac in Wisconsin after 5 years of grinding pure hell like the gentleman in the video.

Cope city LMAO.

A little secret, you don't need to be a math genius to be good in STEM. You will certainly go further if you have a mind for math. But for computer science you don't get much past basic math most of the time and and other engineering jobs the formulas are pretty well known at this point. What you really need to be good in STEM is to have an analytical mind, Just being able to figure out problems is most of the work.

He's not completely right.

He's assuming that most people seek employment within their fields. Plenty of social science/humanities majors go on to do social work.

He also overestimates the ability of natural science majors to get jobs. 4 years of an education in natty sci = worthless, unless you want to be a lab tech.

Really? Including brain surgery? Didn't think that one through did ya?Maybe not, but do you intent to be junior developer forever? Good luck becoming an executive without one.An there in lies the limit to the no degree logic. Like it or not, agree with it or not, you're only going to go so far without one. After the aforementioned, that is.

IDK why people bother to include the M in STEM. My math degree literally prevents me from getting more jobs than it qualifies me for.

A math background is very useful.

Getting a STEM degree is a good move, and it pretty much guarantees a solid living, but it's also only one step towards one of the many ways to be successful. There are plenty of jobs in finance, consulting and law that don't require a STEM background and are every bit as well paying and prestigious as tech, engineering and medicine jobs. Not only that, a STEM degree doesn't really guarantee career success, nor does anything you do in college. You have to continue to make the right moves.

It's helps but just like any other degree it doesn't guarantee anything.

Or you could enjoy your college experience, study for the LSAT, get a 75%+ scholarship to go to law school, work your ass off for the first two years, and get a job that pays $140-180k depending on where you go to school.

....AND you don’t have to work with a bunch of Timothys.

So much fukin this brah.

Life just hits you one the face after college, I went to a big4 consulting becoming their little bitch for a while than call it quits and moved the fuk on. I'm right now at starting point without that much to look at.

What's your degree btw?

I am ECE engineering masters.