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Why is that ugly Indian kunt able to blame "white males" for being a **** tier actress but not be called out for blatant racism?
Jk, im fully aware of the assbackward double standard
Jk, im fully aware of the assbackward double standard
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06-16-2018, 06:59 PM
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its a sci-fi movie where 8 women get along long enough to plan out and complete a task.
with a prepostorous premise like that, no wonder it tanked.
with a prepostorous premise like that, no wonder it tanked.
06-16-2018, 08:12 PM
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Absolutely savage take on this in 'The Sunday Times' (newspaper in the UK), written by Camilla Long:
TL;DR
Columnist for the largest selling 'quality' British Sunday newspaper channels the misc and calls out 'diversity' as a cash grab marketing ploy on the same day Sandra Bullock's interview is published by said paper.
Source (paywall):https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/c...oice-6kkbdq5bv
Ocean’s 8: see Bullock and Blanchett try to rob old, white, straight guys of their voice
It is a measure of the crippling identity madness that is gripping Hollywood that one of its premier piñatas, Sandra Bullock, has recently complained the wrong sort of people were reviewing films wrongly. What? How, you might ask, can any reviewers be the “wrong” sort of people? Or how can anyone even review anything rightly or wrongly? An opinion’s an opinion, a person’s a person.
But apparently Bullock thinks it’d be “nice” if children reviewed children’s films, and I’m sure she’d also like it if only women reviewed women’s films, only black people reviewed films about black people, only trans people reviewed trans films, and only Sandra Bullock reviewed Sandra Bullock films, because it’s a good idea, she claims, if “reviewers reflected who the film is for”. Instead of reflecting the views of the worst group in the universe: the “60-year-old man”, as Bullock put it.
Never mind that you’d rather die than read a review by a five-year-old — or, for that matter, Sandra Bullock. Never mind that good writing is ageless, sexless, genderless and without colour. Never mind that good films shouldn’t really be “for” anyone, unless they’re empty money-making exercises aimed at patsies and zombies — of which more later. But I didn’t expect a self-obsessed film star to see any nuance here.
What I did expect Bullock and her co-star Cate Blanchett to see is how bitter and ridiculous they both came across by complaining, in effect, that not enough women had reviewed their own film, Ocean’s 8. Nearly 80% of film critics are male: their vision, sighed Bullock, is “skewed”. Men see films through a “prism of misunderstanding”, according to Blanchett, whatever that is. But why would female reviewers review a film such as Ocean’s 8 any more favourably? Perhaps Blanchett and Bullock thought their silly little lady brains would be taken in by the hype.
Because there is no prism of misunderstanding about a film such as Ocean’s 8. There is only a prism of utter, utter clarity. It is a pathetic marketing ploy, tested over many, many months with many, many audiences, featuring a recycled idea that wasn’t even good in the first place, acted out by committee-picked stars who mostly can’t act. The cast are there for the money, and you don’t need to be black, white, bisexual, cisgender or trans to work that out. By asking us to take Ocean’s 8 seriously as art, Blanchett and Bullock are essentially asking us to give a good review to the results of a survey.
Ocean’s 8 is a dud, not because it’s a bad film or has bad acting or a silly premise — most Hollywood blockbusters are all of these things and big successes. It’s a dud because the viewers, and particularly reviewers, have seen it for what it is. They may have screen-tested every last second, asked every last viewer, but somehow no one asked the right questions — namely, do you want to see women in a heist movie? No. Do you want to see Anne Hathaway again? No. And now they haven’t asked the right questions, Bullock is asking what she views as the right questions herself, discrediting the oldest target in the universe: the old, white, cisgender male, in a craven attempt to look like the “good” one, the victim.
I don’t particularly love angry men who choose to sneer at female work and I am sure some of these critics love a dreadful George Clooney film much more than they do a Sandra Bullock. What I’m more worried about is how easily people with the “wrong” views can be so quickly dismissed.
The truth is Ocean’s 8 is worse than a bad film; it is a marketing error, a vast failure to monetise “otherness”, quite an achievement when cinemas are bursting with movies such as Black Panther: a similarly contrived, middling, patronising film that is, in contrast, now the ninth highest-grossing film to date. Black Panther was a success not because it was particularly funny, or visually splendid, or well acted — it worked because it was successfully sold as a black film by and for black people, even though it wasn’t and couldn’t ever be, because nothing in Hollywood is. Let us never forget “diversity” is our age’s most powerful marketing phenomenon.
Last week the artist Banksy showed exactly how enthusiastically people will buy into nothing if you get it right, especially when they think others approve of it. He recently submitted an artwork to the Royal Academy summer exhibition under a pseudonym. It was rejected. Grayson Perry, the exhibition’s co-ordinator, later contacted him to resubmit it, and “It’s now hanging in gallery 3,” wrote Banksy.
What Bullock and Blanchett were angry about wasn’t the fact they’d failed to please people — they were angry they’d failed to dupe them like this.
Sandra Bullock's interviewed in one of sections of the same edition of the paper which makes it even funnier.It is a measure of the crippling identity madness that is gripping Hollywood that one of its premier piñatas, Sandra Bullock, has recently complained the wrong sort of people were reviewing films wrongly. What? How, you might ask, can any reviewers be the “wrong” sort of people? Or how can anyone even review anything rightly or wrongly? An opinion’s an opinion, a person’s a person.
But apparently Bullock thinks it’d be “nice” if children reviewed children’s films, and I’m sure she’d also like it if only women reviewed women’s films, only black people reviewed films about black people, only trans people reviewed trans films, and only Sandra Bullock reviewed Sandra Bullock films, because it’s a good idea, she claims, if “reviewers reflected who the film is for”. Instead of reflecting the views of the worst group in the universe: the “60-year-old man”, as Bullock put it.
Never mind that you’d rather die than read a review by a five-year-old — or, for that matter, Sandra Bullock. Never mind that good writing is ageless, sexless, genderless and without colour. Never mind that good films shouldn’t really be “for” anyone, unless they’re empty money-making exercises aimed at patsies and zombies — of which more later. But I didn’t expect a self-obsessed film star to see any nuance here.
What I did expect Bullock and her co-star Cate Blanchett to see is how bitter and ridiculous they both came across by complaining, in effect, that not enough women had reviewed their own film, Ocean’s 8. Nearly 80% of film critics are male: their vision, sighed Bullock, is “skewed”. Men see films through a “prism of misunderstanding”, according to Blanchett, whatever that is. But why would female reviewers review a film such as Ocean’s 8 any more favourably? Perhaps Blanchett and Bullock thought their silly little lady brains would be taken in by the hype.
Because there is no prism of misunderstanding about a film such as Ocean’s 8. There is only a prism of utter, utter clarity. It is a pathetic marketing ploy, tested over many, many months with many, many audiences, featuring a recycled idea that wasn’t even good in the first place, acted out by committee-picked stars who mostly can’t act. The cast are there for the money, and you don’t need to be black, white, bisexual, cisgender or trans to work that out. By asking us to take Ocean’s 8 seriously as art, Blanchett and Bullock are essentially asking us to give a good review to the results of a survey.
Ocean’s 8 is a dud, not because it’s a bad film or has bad acting or a silly premise — most Hollywood blockbusters are all of these things and big successes. It’s a dud because the viewers, and particularly reviewers, have seen it for what it is. They may have screen-tested every last second, asked every last viewer, but somehow no one asked the right questions — namely, do you want to see women in a heist movie? No. Do you want to see Anne Hathaway again? No. And now they haven’t asked the right questions, Bullock is asking what she views as the right questions herself, discrediting the oldest target in the universe: the old, white, cisgender male, in a craven attempt to look like the “good” one, the victim.
I don’t particularly love angry men who choose to sneer at female work and I am sure some of these critics love a dreadful George Clooney film much more than they do a Sandra Bullock. What I’m more worried about is how easily people with the “wrong” views can be so quickly dismissed.
The truth is Ocean’s 8 is worse than a bad film; it is a marketing error, a vast failure to monetise “otherness”, quite an achievement when cinemas are bursting with movies such as Black Panther: a similarly contrived, middling, patronising film that is, in contrast, now the ninth highest-grossing film to date. Black Panther was a success not because it was particularly funny, or visually splendid, or well acted — it worked because it was successfully sold as a black film by and for black people, even though it wasn’t and couldn’t ever be, because nothing in Hollywood is. Let us never forget “diversity” is our age’s most powerful marketing phenomenon.
Last week the artist Banksy showed exactly how enthusiastically people will buy into nothing if you get it right, especially when they think others approve of it. He recently submitted an artwork to the Royal Academy summer exhibition under a pseudonym. It was rejected. Grayson Perry, the exhibition’s co-ordinator, later contacted him to resubmit it, and “It’s now hanging in gallery 3,” wrote Banksy.
What Bullock and Blanchett were angry about wasn’t the fact they’d failed to please people — they were angry they’d failed to dupe them like this.
TL;DR
Columnist for the largest selling 'quality' British Sunday newspaper channels the misc and calls out 'diversity' as a cash grab marketing ploy on the same day Sandra Bullock's interview is published by said paper.
Source (paywall):https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/c...oice-6kkbdq5bv
06-16-2018, 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted By ausbrit⏩
The misc strikes again!Absolutely savage take on this in 'The Sunday Times' (newspaper in the UK), written by Camilla Long:
Sandra Bullock's interviewed in one of sections of the same edition of the paper which makes it even funnier.
TL;DR
Columnist for the largest selling 'quality' British Sunday newspaper channels the misc and calls out 'diversity' as a cash grab marketing ploy on the same day Sandra Bullock's interview is published by said paper.
Source (paywall):https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/c...oice-6kkbdq5bv
Sandra Bullock's interviewed in one of sections of the same edition of the paper which makes it even funnier.
TL;DR
Columnist for the largest selling 'quality' British Sunday newspaper channels the misc and calls out 'diversity' as a cash grab marketing ploy on the same day Sandra Bullock's interview is published by said paper.
Source (paywall):https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/c...oice-6kkbdq5bv
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Amazing how feminists can never accept responsibility for anything. Everything is "the man's" fault.
Death is impossible for us to fathom: it is so immense, so frightening, that we will do almost anything to avoid thinking about it. Society is organized to make death invisible, to keep it several steps removed. That distance may seem necessary for our comfort, but it comes with a terrible price: the illusion of limitless time, and a consequent lack of seriousness about daily life. We are running away from the one reality that faces us all.
06-16-2018, 10:51 PM
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I will never understand why these raging Hollywood feminists can’t think of an original idea if they want to make a movie. First Ghostbusters and now this.... Do they really think that audiences are THAT stupid and will accept a rehashed, inferior product?
I enjoyed Wonder Woman when it came out and I’ve enjoyed female-centric films in the past.... this one just sounds like it was/is chit.
In b4 Top Gun with all-female cast.
I enjoyed Wonder Woman when it came out and I’ve enjoyed female-centric films in the past.... this one just sounds like it was/is chit.
In b4 Top Gun with all-female cast.
06-16-2018, 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted By nvrstopworking⏩
Would it be about them struggling to complete the physical portion of basic training?I will never understand why these raging Hollywood feminists can’t think of an original idea if they want to make a movie. First Ghostbusters and now this.... Do they really think that audiences are THAT stupid and will accept a rehashed, inferior product?
I enjoyed Wonder Woman when it came out and I’ve enjoyed female-centric films in the past.... this one just sounds like it was/is chit.
In b4 Top Gun with all-female cast.
I enjoyed Wonder Woman when it came out and I’ve enjoyed female-centric films in the past.... this one just sounds like it was/is chit.
In b4 Top Gun with all-female cast.
06-17-2018, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted By BostonRockets⏩
Considering most feminists feel that their main purpose in life is to nag men to death, they probably don't know how to do anything else.Amazing how feminists can never accept responsibility for anything. Everything is "the man's" fault.
06-17-2018, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted By PatheticPeter⏩
This. Anyone who's worked with women know they can't work together without sabotaging each other long enough to complete a simple task like making a pot of coffee. I witness it every day of my life.its a sci-fi movie where 8 women get along long enough to plan out and complete a task.
with a prepostorous premise like that, no wonder it tanked.
with a prepostorous premise like that, no wonder it tanked.
06-17-2018, 01:13 PM
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"White men are why we suck!"
Yeah yeah we've heard this all before
Yeah yeah we've heard this all before
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06-17-2018, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted By QuickNutkus⏩
If you think about it, they're kind of right. You see, we set the bar so high that everything they attempt pales in comparison. Oh well, life isn't fair."White men are why we suck!"
Yeah yeah we've heard this all before
Yeah yeah we've heard this all before
06-17-2018, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted By ausbrit⏩
Absolutely savage take on this in 'The Sunday Times' (newspaper in the UK), written by Camilla Long:
Sandra Bullock's interviewed in one of sections of the same edition of the paper which makes it even funnier.
TL;DR
Columnist for the largest selling 'quality' British Sunday newspaper channels the misc and calls out 'diversity' as a cash grab marketing ploy on the same day Sandra Bullock's interview is published by said paper.
Source (paywall):https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/c...oice-6kkbdq5bv
Sandra Bullock's interviewed in one of sections of the same edition of the paper which makes it even funnier.
TL;DR
Columnist for the largest selling 'quality' British Sunday newspaper channels the misc and calls out 'diversity' as a cash grab marketing ploy on the same day Sandra Bullock's interview is published by said paper.
Source (paywall):https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/c...oice-6kkbdq5bv
It is a pathetic marketing ploy, tested over many, many months with many, many audiences, featuring a recycled idea that wasn’t even good in the first place,acted out by committee-picked stars who mostly can’t act. The cast are there for the money, and you don’t need to be black, white, bisexual, cisgender or trans to work that out. By asking us to take Ocean’s 8 seriously as art, Blanchett and Bullock are essentially asking us to give a good review to the results of a survey.
Like I keep trying to tell ya'll. This has nothing to do with some silly feminist agenda (How a woman could actually be the driving force behind a movie is mindboggling. She doesn't run the company, own a majority stock, etc.)It's just painfully stupid marketing. Yay, I throw all women in, now I get women audience and I win! So stupid it hurts.
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This is the exact reason I refused to even discuss black panther, and acted as it did not exist.
Oh, a movie with all black super heros in february? Cute... you think I'm that easy?
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Originally Posted By lolXlol⏩
All the directors that trade sex for movie roles, pretty much all CEOs, the people who are responsible for everything women and liberals complain about are jews, but no, it's all the fault of white tradies from Iowa.jews are white males now?
06-17-2018, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted By coast2coastam⏩
Funny how that works, right?All the directors that trade sex for movie roles, pretty much all CEOs, the people who are responsible for everything women and liberals complain about are jews, but no, it's all the fault of white tradies from Iowa.
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Originally Posted By coast2coastam⏩
It's almost like they are behind all this white man hate...All the directors that trade sex for movie roles, pretty much all CEOs, the people who are responsible for everything women and liberals complain about are jews, but no, it's all the fault of white tradies from Iowa.
06-17-2018, 01:57 PM
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This is the equivalent of releasing Dead Or Alive Beach Volleyball, with middle aged women.
So... you not only have a game of no substance, but also no eye candy.....
Edit: I heard Kill Bill sucked by the way.... can't have movies with strong females after all....
So... you not only have a game of no substance, but also no eye candy.....
Edit: I heard Kill Bill sucked by the way.... can't have movies with strong females after all....
06-17-2018, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted By ausbrit⏩
Black Panther was actually decent tho, all diversity and cuckery agenda aside...It was actually enjoyable to watch. Much better than Iron Man 3.Absolutely savage take on this in 'The Sunday Times' (newspaper in the UK), written by Camilla Long:
Sandra Bullock's interviewed in one of sections of the same edition of the paper which makes it even funnier.
TL;DR
Columnist for the largest selling 'quality' British Sunday newspaper channels the misc and calls out 'diversity' as a cash grab marketing ploy on the same day Sandra Bullock's interview is published by said paper.
Source (paywall):https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/c...oice-6kkbdq5bv
Sandra Bullock's interviewed in one of sections of the same edition of the paper which makes it even funnier.
TL;DR
Columnist for the largest selling 'quality' British Sunday newspaper channels the misc and calls out 'diversity' as a cash grab marketing ploy on the same day Sandra Bullock's interview is published by said paper.
Source (paywall):https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/c...oice-6kkbdq5bv
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