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post 1565746231 11-08-2018, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted By nick1990⏩
That is implying that the soldiers, who are also citizens with loved ones residing in the country, will gladly up and launch nukes on their own country with no worries at all.
There are MUCH bigger things to worry about if it comes down to that, but to imply that the government will go nuclear on its own citizens is an asinine argument. Same applies for use of tanks, helicopters, etc to mass kill.
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Originally Posted By cojones539⏩
I see your point, and I'm not pushing to necessarily ban firearms because I think that would create havoc at this point since there are so many in circulation now after letting the firearm cancer to spread for so long. I just want stricter regulations/public safety measures implemented towards them such as smart gun technology requirements, which would allow good guys to keep their guns and (most) bad guys from accessing them.



Oh I agree we have many problems in our society... guns are just one of them
you do realize that gun control laws only prevent the good guys from getting guns and not the bad guys right? I'm sure bad guys will be finding difficulty getting guns... lol... google how a gun works.

your post is so ironic.
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Originally Posted By Shortfuze⏩
Armed guards would have solved the problem or at least minimized it.
You mean like someone trained to shoot a weapon and take down armed assliants? Like the ****en sergeant who stormed in there?


God do people even read the stupid **** you post? Bet you didn’t know a cop engaged the columbine shooters before their library rampage and it did nothing.


But nah armed guards are the answer!!!

****en idiots.
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Originally Posted By cojones539⏩
This was just one smart gun tech company that failed though, there are more that are promising. We shouldn't ditch the idea just because of something like this, they can improve and eventually be a viable solution.

LodeStar is one company that is in the works of developing a 9-millimeter smart pistol that will use a radio frequency to connect gun to owner.
Hey genius,Iran's Nuclear power plants were hacked. In this decade.Let that sink in. I work in cybersecurity. Lol'd hard at radio frequency
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Originally Posted By P51⏩
Anyone who claims they need a gun is a ****en backwoods hillbilly end of story. Liking guns and NEEDing one is very different.


I swear to god if they just made an IQ test requirement before being able to purchase a gun, gun ownership would drop like a rock.
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Originally Posted By P51⏩
Anyone who claims they need a gun is a ****en backwoods hillbilly end of story. Liking guns and NEEDing one is very different.


I swear to god if they just made an IQ test requirement before being able to purchase a gun, gun ownership would drop like a rock.
if they made an IQ test requirement to vote, no one would be able to vote.

Let's do a different take, high IQ individuals usually live in cities, where the demand from city swelling folks for guns are a lot less... crazy.
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Originally Posted By LeJR⏩
you do realize that gun control laws only prevent the good guys from getting guns and not the bad guys right? I'm sure bad guys will be finding difficulty getting guns... lol... google how a gun works.

your post is so ironic.
Except he purchased his gun legally you herp derp. Everyone is a good guy until they aren’t.
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post 1565746631 11-08-2018, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted By P51⏩
Except he purchased his gun legally you herp derp. Everyone is a good guy until they aren’t.
so how many guns used in violent crimes are legally purchased guns. herp derp. got the stats?

someone legally bought fertilizer and made a bomb, so therefore we need fertilizer control laws, and to create a fertilizer database and background check laws and smart fertilizer to make sure its being used properly. herp derp.

liberals: the outliers are the norm.
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Originally Posted By cojones539⏩
Actually,






because it doesn't happen nearly as often. I'd bet statistically for every 1 mass shooting stopped by a good guy, 10 are carried out successfully by a bad guy
False.

The numbers of defensive gun uses (DGUs) each year is controversial. But one study ordered by the CDC and conducted by The National Academies’ Institute of Medicine and National Research Council reported that, “Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence”:

Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million, in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.

Another study estimates there are 1,029,615 DGUs per year “for self-protection or for the protection of property at home, work, or elsewhere” excluding “military service, police work, or work as a security guard,” (within the range of the National Academies’ paper), yielding an estimate of 162,000 cases per year where someone “almost certainly would have been killed” if they “had not used a gun for protection.”

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Originally Posted By LeJR⏩
so how many guns used in violent crimes are legally purchased guns. herp derp. got the stats?

someone legally bought fertilizer and made a bomb, so therefore we need fertilizer control laws, and to create a fertilizer database and background check laws and smart fertilizer to make sure its being used properly. herp derp.
80%+ apparently.

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post 1565746781 11-08-2018, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted By NicholasMango⏩
80%+ apparently.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/sa...egally-n474441
do you even read? That says "80% in "mass shootings"", not "80% of all violent crimes". more interested in how they define "mass shooting"

how many people were killed in those "mass shootings" ? compared to total violent crime rate?



homicide includes justifiable homicide aka self defense
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Originally Posted By LeJR⏩
so how many guns used in violent crimes are legally purchased guns. herp derp. got the stats?

someone legally bought fertilizer and made a bomb, so therefore we need fertilizer control laws, and to create a fertilizer database and background check laws and smart fertilizer to make sure its being used properly. herp derp.

liberals: the outliers are the norm.
They do track if you buy a lot of fertilizer you idiot, or they use to. There were limits.

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Originally Posted By P51⏩
They do track if you buy a lot of fertilizer you idiot, or they use to. There were limits.

Dumbest 24 year old ever.
LOL. over a certain limit they do a background check that is even weaker than a background check they currently do when you purchase a firearm..... and its a substance that isn't protected under the 2nd amendment.

but, what about the smart fertilizer or banning fertilizer?

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[QUOTE=LeJR post_id=1565746781]do you even read? That says "80% in "mass shootings"", not "80% of all violent crimes". more interested in how they define "mass shooting"

how many people were killed in those "mass shootings" ? compared to total violent crime rate?

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Sorry. Did misread.

It flips. Mass shooting use legal guns mostly, most gun violence uses illegal guns.

AKA guns they weren't allowed to buy to begin with, but bought anyway.
So in other words, criminals commit crimes. And its already illegal to do so.


So further gun control would help....how?





edit: I think we might actually agree with each other. LOL
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Originally Posted By sword_⏩
This is what he proposed.

Weapon sales freeze until comprehensive background checks implemented, one year probationary license where weapons are solely handled under direct supervision from an appointed officer until after so many hours released to home possession, finger ID on all new weapons allowing only owners to use, GPS installed onto every firearm registered with local law enforcement (old and new - automatic police alert when carried within 200 yards of a school zone), zero tolerance/weapon ban for mental health disorders and those convicted of a felony or any domestic assault, zero tolerance/total ban on weapon modification allowing faster rate of fire, zero online gun or ammunition sales, caps on ammunition sales.

LOL


Started reading and was going to bold the really stupid parts, but all of it is really stupid, lmao.

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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport⏩


Started reading and was going to bold the really stupid parts, but all of it is really stupid, lmao.

I told him that trying to implement this would cost too much. He retorted "DOES IT COST MORE THAN A LIFE?!" Good God.
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Originally Posted By P51⏩
You mean like someone trained to shoot a weapon and take down armed assliants? Like the ****en sergeant who stormed in there?


God do people even read the stupid **** you post? Bet you didn’t know a cop engaged the columbine shooters before their library rampage and it did nothing.


But nah armed guards are the answer!!!

****en idiots.
armed citzens stop shooters all the fukin time. You just don't hear it because you're plugged into CNN .
Originally Posted By sword_⏩
I told him that trying to implement this would cost too much. He retorted "DOES IT COST MORE THAN A LIFE?!" Good God.
Lul his suggestion is unenforceable. Plus went to college and can't do basic math. Tell him to lookup the number of firearms in the US, then extrapolate the man hours and logistics needed to supervise everyone for a full year. Then think about the futility as thousands of Americans would use it without the cop around anyways. Fukin LOL.
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Originally Posted By LeJR⏩
because Japan barely has any violent crime to begin with ?
because Australia simply saw the tool of use change, and the gun ban didn't really have any effect on violent crime?
Throwing out statements without any evidence to back it up.https://aic.gov.au/publications/tandi/tandi359

Homicide rate has dropped since the 1990's. The fact is, whether you like to admit it, the gun ban in Australia resulted in less gun related deaths. Am I suggesting this can be replicated in the US? No i'm not because I don't know. Assault and sexual assault cases have either remained steady of has slightly increased mainly due to the increase in public awareness on child protection and domestic violence as data can only be collected by those who are willing to report. It can be safely assumed that these days more people are willing to report cases to the police. So the slight increases are statistically insignificant.

You have to understand as well that I can go and get a gun if I want, the process is long and difficult but it can be done. This is why your regular crazy Joe doesn't have a gun, but a farmer will have one.
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"Ban all guns!"

Ok. Hypothetically: Now that all guns are banned, what do you anti gun folks want to do about the guns already in circulation?
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Originally Posted By P51⏩
Anyone who claims they need a gun is a ****en backwoods hillbilly end of story. Liking guns and NEEDing one is very different.


I swear to god if they just made an IQ test requirement before being able to purchase a gun, gun ownership would drop like a rock.
Tell that to the 75k + times a year people NEED to use guns in self defense.

You are literally dumb as fuk

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Originally Posted By P51⏩
You mean like someone trained to shoot a weapon and take down armed assliants? Like the ****en sergeant who stormed in there?


God do people even read the stupid **** you post? Bet you didn’t know a cop engaged the columbine shooters before their library rampage and it did nothing.


But nah armed guards are the answer!!!

****en idiots.
Yes because running into a darkly lite room in the midst of mass chaos and identify your target before he identified you is such an easy thing to do,

People like you make me sick
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Originally Posted By cojones539⏩
How come they dont happen in australia or japan where there are no guns?
You mean countries that have been invaded and controlled in the last 100 years.
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Originally Posted By maddog352002⏩
You mean countries that have been invaded and controlled in the last 100 years.
This is a perfect example as to why there may never be any real movement on this issue. You blindly refused to even try to answer the question put forth, and it was a valid question, and instead just blurted out a factually incorrect statement.
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The whole arguement fuking falls apart when the government makes it VERY difficult to actually get a permit to carry a gun on you, yet the ones who want to go kill people can go to the corner of any hood and buy a gun.

Murder is illegal, it still happens, it'll happen with or without guns.

How are some of you so brain dead regarding this topic lol. Durrrr, another shooting, we really need to ban guns guise, that'll fix it all! That same guy is going to go rent a U-Haul and run over 50 people.
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
Tell that to the 75k + times a year people NEED to use guns in self defense.

You are literally dumb as fuk

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Originally Posted By P51⏩
Triggered. Don’t use your gun on me bro!

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Yikes....

Stick to discussions about headphone impedance and frequency response brah.
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Originally Posted By snailsrus⏩
If gun ownership is such an issue

Why not have stronger restrictions on ammunition? I mean the government keeps track of things like how much coffee syrup you buy and fertilizer.

Also, I think it would make sense to just register your gun yearly. And like smog checks, have medical and criminal background checks. The check your eyes when renewed your license. That would also help then catch if someone illegally modified thief gun/guns.
Do you know how many people drive every day with no license, no insurance, no tags.
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Originally Posted By TheFlexatorium⏩
This is a perfect example as to why there may never be any real movement on this issue. You blindly refused to even try to answer the question put forth, and it was a valid question, and instead just blurted out a factually incorrect statement.
How was it incorrect. Japan had legal gun ownership until we nuked them. China did not and Japan owned them. Australia had legal gun ownership and Japan left them alone. Japan refused to invade America because a gun was hiding every blade of grass.

Russians killed 40 million of their own. Mao killed 100 million. Rwanda killed a million. Hitler killed easily 10 million.

Good luck in the next world war with no weapons and 2.6 billion people who hate you within a 3 hr flight.
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Originally Posted By P51⏩
Triggered. Don’t use your gun on me bro!

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Conclusion: Sub 80 IQ.
What a sad pathetic little turd you are

Honestly what is it like going thru life as a giant pussy?
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Originally Posted By cojones539⏩
I see your point, and I'm not pushing to necessarily ban firearms because I think that would create havoc at this point since there are so many in circulation now after letting the firearm cancer to spread for so long. I just want stricter regulations/public safety measures implemented towards them such as smart gun technology requirements, which would allow good guys to keep their guns and (most) bad guys from accessing them.



Oh I agree we have many problems in our society... guns are just one of them
Yeah blame the tool and not the person who used it. People like you don’t want to look at the reasons your society is so defunct it drives people to go insane... it’s because YOU support and love the sick society we live in.
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