Your caricature of all incels as awkward fat nerds is false. Thats the point. Awkward fat nerds have always struggled with women. That's not the only people that are incel or having a super tough time dating nowadays.

Most of the effectively incels I know, guys who never or rarely get laid, are not awkward losers that are too shy. They're normal guys, that are less attractive basically.

That's the entire basis of this false perception the misc has and society has at large. A lot of men, totally normal men, are having a hard time nowadays. It's not just the awkward nerdy loser.

Why? Because women have so many more options and have no need to settle anymore. More guys fall into the reject category.

This is so ignorant. Yes some people fall into the category you're saying, but to assume this applies to all or most men stuggling with dating in 2019 is ridiculous and its not reality man.

I guess I can't prove it, but it should be clear to anyone taking an objective look at the evidence and the way society has changed.

To believe that all the changes in our society, online dating and apps, changes in dating/marriage/family culture, has had no impact on dating for men is to be totally blind or retarded.

So this is what happens when OP doesn't have a daily mail article and tries to think for himself.

lmao just lmao

The false perception is yours. There is no perception you can pin on an entire "society" other than in your head.

What did you do poll everyone in the country? You're inventing this all in your own head sorry to break it to you

This is a guy I quoted above, just as an example.

"It's not because girls had lower standards because they had less options.It's because those guys weren't weird awkward fuks who couldn't open their mouths in front of a girl."

This quote made by a miscer CLEARLY implies that guys who are incel are all weird awkward fuk who cant opent their mouth in front of a girl.

And this the general perception on the misc and society at large when it comes to the incel narrative.

I'm not just making it up. people are saying it. Every time the incel conversation comes up, this caricature of the awkward nerd that cant open his mouth is used as the example as if that's represenataive of incels today.

and its not. A lot more guys are becoming incel, because of the way changes have impact the sexual marketplace. not just " the awkward nerd that cant open his mouth".

Keep coping bro, no things haven't changed that drastically, you absolutely could get a 4 if you put in effort and persisted despite some rejection, but you'd rather play video games in your basement and hang out in chat rooms blaming technology and dating apps for your problems.

Never and rarely are completely different things. The average man has always "rarely" gotten laid until he either got into a relationship or married, and that is still true now. The average number of sexual partners for straight men has been something like 5-10 for decades, and the median is probably fairly close to that as well.

I also never called nor implied that all incels are fat nor have I called them nerds. Neither really makes someone a "weird awkward fuk." "Nerd" also implies intelligence, and most of the incels I've seen here come across as being as smart as a pile of bricks. Even in this place that has a fair number of incels, the only one who can really be called a nerd is wincel, and as far as I know he never had much success in academics either.

tesla and isaac newtown died as virgins. now its all school shooters. men really did have more honor back in the day. we live in an honorless society

Busta rite yet again

I agree, back in the day some guys heard the call of the wild and had to go sail on a boat for several years on some Ernest Hemingway ****, it wasnt voluntary. These days its just theyre too lazy to improve themselves, girls are everywhere.

I put in effort for over 10 years you moron. you think im just making this up.

It's barely a problem to me even more, it sucks but thats my life and I have to deal with it. I'm just telling it like it is, not complaining

And lastly, the video game basement b.s stereotype. Yes I love video games. I also play soccer, snowboard, run/hike/bike, read.

Is there something wrong with hobbies now?

ok, well on what basis do you presume all incels as "weird awkward fuks".

My friends that rarely or never get laid are neither weird nor awkward. they're just not attractive.

Theyre not weird or awkward to you because youre weird and awkward also. If you guys were so cool and smooth then youd be ****ing girls.

don't listen to this guy. he's clearly talking chit. nobody believes that you have any friends.

ugly guys get laid all the time. stop polluting this forum with your garbage.

I had a real life friend who was a prominent miscer, go look him up and see what he said about me. his name was xvicknumber7 something like that.

He doesn't post anymore but look at his history.

I didn't say we were cool or smooth. But we're not awkward either. We're normal guys, on the lower end of the attractiveness scale