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Thread: Officels on suicide watch. Blue-collar jobs like plumbing pay $90k without a degree

post 1578212861 04-16-2019, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted By cjmadscientist⏩
4 years at a state school to get my Bachelors of Science in Biochemistry with a minor in Philosophy

walked out with 45k in debt (which is now 15k)

first two years of work I made 35k, then got a new job at 65k in year three, raise to 75 after three years, 10k raise last year


not to say trades aren't great with money making potential, but if you play your cards right in STEM, you can do pretty good too
what do u do in a lab btw ? is this industry or academia ?

do u have a phd ?
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Originally Posted By YUL⏩
What about long term tradie health problems like worn out joints, back problems, and cancer from exposure to carcinogens in building materials?
Of course this is very real. We can minimize the exposure but its still there. Keeping in shape really helps with the joints and back problems. Also avoiding jobs that requires constant heavy lifting is a good idea.

But keep in mind similar issues can be found in an office as well. Go look around a large city downtown core and the obesity rate is really high. People sitting down in front of a computer all day get all kind of back and neck problems. And don't forget that staring at a computer screen isn't the best for your eyes long term. And the depression rate is sky high in that population.


There are health issues associated with both field.
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Originally Posted By Swept⏩
that article if full of chit, the majority of plumbers do not make 90k a year. Unless you live in a expensive city like NY or SF most plumbers won’t sniff that






U wot
Auto service techs get paid book rate. Repairing xyz part pays 4.2 hrs labour according to the book, if you do it in 3 hrs you keep the change. If you are a rock star (and suck service manager dick for the gravy work) you can stay way ahead.

A load of new cars comes in needing PDI's, they pay 1.8 hrs each and you could bang out 10 in an 8hr day, you bank 18 hrs for 8 worked.
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Originally Posted By YUL⏩
What about long term tradie health problems like worn out joints, back problems, and cancer from exposure to carcinogens in building materials?
I get radiation exposure from using my computer and phone to do a STEM job. My sit/standing desk staves off any sort of joint problems I may have but Father Time will eventually catch up to me. Wear and tear from lifting and walking around the office to meetings. Why accelerate that by doing TRADIE work?! F*ck that!

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Originally Posted By LaCosaNostra90⏩
Its true but now companies here in Alberta have "doubled-breasted" where they have one part of their company is union and the other part is non-union. They are trying hard to erode the tradie jobs here. It used to be MASSIVE money in the oil/gas industry here, 45/hr $60 total package ($6/hr company paid pension contributions that pyramided with overtime), double time all day saturday/sunday no matter how many hours you worked in the week, double time after 10 hours/day. On a 10on-4off schedule you are making over 150k a year with camp/bussing provided. Now thats all time and a half and they killed the pension contributions.
That's unfortunate. You guys had it real good with that oil money for a while. Many (smart) people put money aside knowing that this could happen. Many others decided to spend spend spend on all kinds of toys and mansions and cottages with high overhead cost.

Did you go out to vote today? What's your prediction?
how can she neg... HOW CAN SHE NEG!!! HOW?!
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Originally Posted By getbig_ttt⏩
That's unfortunate. You guys had it real good with that oil money for a while. Many (smart) people put money aside knowing that this could happen. Many others decided to spend spend spend on all kinds of toys and mansions and cottages with high overhead cost.

Did you go out to vote today? What's your prediction?
Its still good money (over 100k/year) but its not as good as it used to be. I think the Cons are going to win, I didn't vote im in camp on night shift lol
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Originally Posted By cjmadscientist⏩
make 85k/year without having to clean out clogged chit from a toilet

35 hours/week

6 weeks vacation

more sick days than I can possibly use

I'm good here in the lab
Lol yea you may have to see something like that if ya work in service but that’s just a small part of the trade.

Two years ago I made 93k when I was doing service and wasn’t even the top earner.

Really just sounds like your mad that we didn’t have to gather +100k school debt to make as much as we do..
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Originally Posted By getbig_ttt⏩
That's unfortunate. You guys had it real good with that oil money for a while. Many (smart) people put money aside knowing that this could happen. Many others decided to spend spend spend on all kinds of toys and mansions and cottages with high overhead cost.
Multi-generation Albertans have seen the boom/busts before, most I know that rode that wave came out OK. Like he said there's still lots of work, just not the gravy wave that happened 04-08 (and for a while 11-13)

Remember that in Alberta the population increased by 25% in 10 years, like 4 times faster than the rest of the country. The guys selling rig rockets and snowmobiles were usually looking for some cash to move back to Ontario or Newfoundland.

Nobody burned through cash or developed a chitty attitude faster than a Newfie flexing on his buddies about his truck drivin or welders helper job.
Originally Posted By getbig_ttt⏩
Did you go out to vote today? What's your prediction?
Not much to predict, I think its going to be a bloodbath like every poll says.
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post 1578213901 04-16-2019, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted By lolXlol⏩
yeah... that's why they're for men not feminine folks like you fannying about in an office type environment
If you want to do hard work because you're insecure about your masculinity, go right ahead - but I'd rather not brutalize my body. No office job for me anyway, I'm training to be a police officer
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Originally Posted By Amp30⏩
If you want to do hard work because you're insecure about your masculinity, go right ahead - but I'd rather not brutalize my body. No office job for me anyway, I'm training to be a police officer
99% of tradie jobs dont involve brutalizing your body lol
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Ive only been doing scaffolding a year and my prevailing wage on a ****ty commercial job we did up in La Jolla was about 60$ hr. That job sucked but I made a lot of that day.

That’s just a ****ty scaffolding job. Imagine what the highest bid is for competent sparkies/welders.

Yes people bid on tradies like **** on eBay lmao
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Originally Posted By getbig_ttt⏩
Of course this is very real. We can minimize the exposure but its still there. Keeping in shape really helps with the joints and back problems. Also avoiding jobs that requires constant heavy lifting is a good idea.

But keep in mind similar issues can be found in an office as well. Go look around a large city downtown core and the obesity rate is really high. People sitting down in front of a computer all day get all kind of back and neck problems. And don't forget that staring at a computer screen isn't the best for your eyes long term. And the depression rate is sky high in that population.


There are health issues associated with both field.
Yes sitting is bad for you.

But suicide rates are insanely higher among pretty much any job physical in nature. That goes for both skilled trades and labor.
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I wouldn't want to be a plumber. But I thought about going to a trade school to be a lineman(electrician) as I hear they're paid really well
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Originally Posted By bricksquad187⏩
Tradie here work at a Kia dealership by Vancouver not the best selling car manufacturer but a lot of the techs made over 100k in 2018 working about 160 to 170 hours a week. It can be hard but if ur in shape it's no problem.
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Machinists, welders and maintenance guys at my work make over $100k/year with overtime... and I live in a pretty LOW cost of living area. Average single family 3br 2ba home in nice area is under $200k.

some guys are missing teeth, live in trailer parks or rent small apartments, smoke like crazy, gamble alot away, child support/alimony, invest nothing, not even smart enough to set up 401k (that the company matches), etc etc... Blows my mind that these dudes are making more than most college educated professionals.
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until theres a **** ton of plumbers...supply and demand. Econ 098 here
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Originally Posted By engj⏩
Multi-generation Albertans have seen the boom/busts before, most I know that rode that wave came out OK. Like he said there's still lots of work, just not the gravy wave that happened 04-08 (and for a while 11-13)

Remember that in Alberta the population increased by 25% in 10 years, like 4 times faster than the rest of the country. The guys selling rig rockets and snowmobiles were usually looking for some cash to move back to Ontario or Newfoundland.

Nobody burned through cash or developed a chitty attitude faster than a Newfie flexing on his buddies about his truck drivin or welders helper job.

Not much to predict, I think its going to be a bloodbath like every poll says.
Yep. Them douches and their lift trucks.
Originally Posted By Amp30⏩
If you want to do hard work because you're insecure about your masculinity, go right ahead - but I'd rather not brutalize my body. No office job for me anyway,I'm training to be a police officer
Read what you said, slow.

And again, Police officers have great pay and get incentive to stay in shape and an amazing pension plan... but the PTSD, suicide and divorce is really high for them. Each field has its ups and down.
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Originally Posted By LaCosaNostra90⏩
Its true but now companies here in Alberta have "doubled-breasted" where they have one part of their company is union and the other part is non-union. They are trying hard to erode the tradie jobs here. It used to be MASSIVE money in the oil/gas industry here, 45/hr $60 total package ($6/hr company paid pension contributions that pyramided with overtime), double time all day saturday/sunday no matter how many hours you worked in the week, double time after 10 hours/day. On a 10on-4off schedule you are making over 150k a year with camp/bussing provided. Now thats all time and a half and they killed the pension contributions.
I imagine a lot of this will come back if and when oil prices recover and we increase our export capacity.

I’m gearing up right now to hit Kitimat on the new LNG Plant. Brb $2000/month LOA while in camp
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Originally Posted By Destor⏩
I imagine a lot of this will come back if andwhen oil prices recoverand we increase our export capacity.

I’m gearing up right now to hit Kitimat on the new LNG Plant. Brb $2000/month LOA while in camp
... will they? Also companies are way more efficient than they used to be. We will see more good paying jobs, but definitely no job boom.
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Originally Posted By Destor⏩
I imagine a lot of this will come back if and when oil prices recover and we increase our export capacity.

I’m gearing up right now to hit Kitimat on the new LNG Plant. Brb $2000/month LOA while in camp
Whats your trade? I find it hard to believe you'll get LOA while in camp ive never seen that
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Originally Posted By getbig_ttt⏩
... will they? Also companies are way more efficient than they used to be. We will see more good paying jobs, but definitely no job boom.
I’m relatively new to the oil industry (compared to some of my bosses who have 30+ years experience) but this is the cycle as I understand it:

-Oil prices increase, capital investment increases, new production increases
-Demand increases, to which degree is determined by a range of factors
-New production capacity outpaces demand growth, which drives the price down
-Decreased prices result in reduced capital investment and slower production growth
-Demand outpaces new production growth and prices increase

It’s only a matter of time before the reduced production growth drives prices up again. Oil demand ain’t going anywhere but up for the next few decades at least
Originally Posted By LaCosaNostra90⏩
Whats your trade? I find it hard to believe you'll get LOA while in camp ive never seen that
I’m in Project Management, Controls specifically. I’ve never seen that before either, think it’s purely an incentive to get people out there
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Originally Posted By Destor⏩
I’m in Project Management, Controls specifically. I’ve never seen that before either, I think it’s purely an incentive to get people out there
Very interesting. Im trying to get into PM now too. Doing my journeyman management diploma at NAIT right now then project management certificate. Seems like the best spot to be in the construction industry.
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Originally Posted By LaCosaNostra90⏩
Very interesting. Im trying to get into PM now too. Doing my journeyman management diploma at NAIT right now then project management certificate. Seems like the best spot to be in the construction industry.
The certs there are great and having trade experience is a massive asset as I’m sure you know. I did Construction Engineering Technology at NAIT
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Originally Posted By Destor⏩
The certs there are great and having trade experience is a massive asset as I’m sure you know. I did Construction Engineering Technology at NAIT
Very well done man
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Originally Posted By KCBadBoy⏩
Superintendent checking in.

I watch tradies work all day from the pick up truck.
ngl, this is pretty much cream of the crop here as a tradie unless u start ur own company. past job i had a superintendent/supervisor pretty much make calls in his truck while bossing us around lol. inspection is also pretty coveted.
Originally Posted By Destor⏩
I imagine a lot of this will come back if and when oil prices recover and we increase our export capacity.

I’m gearing up right now to hit Kitimat on the new LNG Plant. Brb $2000/month LOA while in camp
lol sick, i just got hired on board to build their modular homes.
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I literally sit in an air conditioned office all day flirting with broads and doing 1-2 hours of actual work. Keep sifting through piss and chit for a paycheck LOOL
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Originally Posted By zknarc⏩
...and yet few want to be tradies, I wonder why. Maybe it's having you knees and back done in at 40, you career ended by falling off something, working in dirt and dealing with sub 100 iq *******s in their f-150s drinking monster energy.
Smarts tradesman save up and got to college in their mid 20s.

You officels really lack critical thinking skills. Must be from surfing the internet 8 hours a day, 5 days a week.
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Originally Posted By werfendiekatze⏩
since when is service plumber all encompassing of all trades? lemme know how many welders electricians carpenters masons drywallers roofers longshoreman machinists and mechanics gotta clean chit out of a toilet on the reg? yall ignant
Just using what OP said in the thread title as an example. There's a lot of difficult work out there that should pay the people well.

All that stuff is necessary, I've got no problem with anyone in the trades, just wouldn't want to do it myself.

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Originally Posted By KCBadBoy⏩
Superintendent checking in.

I watch tradies work all day from the pick up truck.
A Superintendent that lifts?? Mirin

I'm working my way up to Construction Manager/Superintendent. Haven't decided yet, got a degree in CM
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