[QUOTE=iHateDeadlifts post_id=1585627181]Remember when slavery, women's voting, gay/interracial marriages, child labor were all legal in America?
You could say back in the day, " why would these people who fight for these rights above allow themselves to get invested in an idea like this that has literally zero chance of ever becoming a reality in the land of the free"?

Same thing goes for guns; your gonna be amazed by the progress of gun control in the next 5-50 years, and we will all laugh together at the horrendous, lax laws we have currently.

Again, if we can't ban Semi Autos, we need to find a way to limit magazines (no more than 10 rounds for starters?) Anything else you gun aficionados think would limit the amount of deaths caused by a gun at a given time? There is no reason why anyonen needs this gun. you are mentally ill if you believe American citizens should be able to own this gun

[img]https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/2019/08/05/shootings/df4da6752cdd53bdcddf7be88807e76b25539919/dayton-anno-dt-720.jpg[/img[/QUOTE]Ignoring the crappy arguments.... Why?

[QUOTE=Austanian post_id=1585446471]There is no correlation between gun ownership and homicide.

There is a strong correlation between gun ownership and GUN CRIME. As guns are removed from they system substitution takes place and other tools are used. Gun presence also increased "gun deaths" as people committing suicide use a gun if present.

Regression Statistics
Multiple R 0.265380424
R Square 0.070426769
Adjusted R Square 0.051060661
Standard Error 13.18470058
Observations 50

[img]https://i.gyazo.com/f52a7fcade45378a2f0ab639e9a0ee87.png[/img]

Gun grabbers are saying if they reduce the blue line the orange dots are going to go down. There is NO relationship between GUN OWNERSHIP and HOMICIDE RATE. Reducing Gun ownership WILL NOT reduce Homicide.


Gun Ownership Homicide Rate
Delaware 5.2 5.9
Rhode Island 5.8 2.7
New York 10.3 3.2
New Jersey 11.3 4.2
New Hampshire 14.4 1.3
Connecticut 16.6 2.2
Ohio 19.6 5.6
Nebraska 19.8 2.6
California 20.1 4.9
Maryland 20.7 8
Maine 22.6 1.5
Massachusetts 22.6 2
Illinois 26.2 8.2
Oregon 26.6 2.8
Pennsylvania 27.1 5.2
Missouri 27.1 8.8
Washington 27.7 2.7
North Carolina 28.7 6.7
Vermont 28.8 2.2
Michigan 28.8 6
Virginia 29.3 5.8
Oklahoma 31.2 6.2
Georgia 31.6 6.6
Utah 31.9 2.4
Kansas 32.2 3.8
Arizona 32.3 5.5
Florida 32.5 5.4
Iowa 33.8 2.3
Indiana 33.8 6.6
Colorado 34.3 3.7
Wisconsin 34.7 4
South Dakota 35 3.1
Texas 35.7 5.3
Minnesota 36.7 1.8
Nevada 37.5 7.6
Tennessee 39.4 7.3
Kentucky 42.4 5.9
Mississippi 42.8 8
South Carolina 44.4 7.4
Louisiana 44.5 11.8
Hawaii 45.1 2.5
North Dakota 47.9 2
Alabama 48.9 8.4
New Mexico 49.9 6.7
Montana 52.3 3.5
Wyoming 53.8 3.4
West Virginia 54.2 4.4
Idaho 56.9 2.9
Arkansas 57.9 7.2
Alaska 61.7 7[/QUOTE]Gun presence has no impact on murder rates. You are literally trying to make it so I can't do something I enjoy... All so you can prevent exactly zero people from being murdered.

This is ignoring the constitutionality aspect. Not playing.

[QUOTE=iHateDeadlifts post_id=1585627181]

Again, if we can't ban Semi Autos, we need to find a way to limit magazines (no more than 10 rounds for starters?) Anything else you gun aficionados think would limit the amount of deaths caused by a gun at a given time? There is no reason why anyonen needs this gun. you are mentally ill if you believe American citizens should be able to own this gun

[img]https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/2019/08/05/shootings/df4da6752cdd53bdcddf7be88807e76b25539919/dayton-anno-dt-720.jpg[/ig][/QUOTE]this is america and i can own a drum magazine just because i like to target shoot or just because i like loud noises.

We are talking about mass shootings, not homicides rates; I don't give a chit about 1-2 people dying from guns. What I do care about is seeing 30 kids get shot in elementary/highschool multiple times every year. Your graph shows nothing and has no correlation to what we are discussing. Mass shootings =/= homicides 1-2 people dying




so you "bothered" by getting rid of large magazines (100+) because you won't be able to enjoy something ( God knows fukin what you need 100 for?) Fukin LOL.

Keep dreaming pal !!!



"because teh black gun scares meeee" lmao you fkn pussy

I think the argument that "We need guns to defend ourselves incase our governments enslaves us!" is a far-fetched one.

Many countries around the world don't allow guns, and their governments aren't enslaving them. And it's not like people in government aren't also people that want the best for the country. People acting like the leaders want to kill and rape and enslave them every chance they get or something.

It literally just won't happen if guns get removed.

Now the gun types will say, "Heh, look at this guy being naive" or some comment that they've been indoctrinated into believing, maybe their fathers were pro gun, or whatever.

Do you really think the boyo's and girlo's who serve in the military will turn on their own people and do them a great deal of injustice? Do you really have that little faith in their humanity? The people in the military are literally the most patriotic and the least likely to turn on their people like that. Just get real and stop using this terrible argument.

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exactly; you don't need it lol. Nor does anyone else. Ban.

we're allowed many freedoms that harm us fam. because we enjoy it. you wanna make booze illegal?

I'm on spread from the last time I negged him, could someone neg this phukktard for me please?

Nope, I'm referring to the 100+ round magzine the Dayton Ohio shooter used last week.




No normal American's don't need this. At all

I have never negged anybody on this forum but with those retarded "If you don't need it then it should be banned arguments" he's sure trying to earn it

lmao was going to but still on spread also.

So people being murdered in a group of 20 matters more than 20 people being murdered 1 at a time? It is the same chit. Dead is dead.

Mass attacks happen all the time without guns. Ram a pick up through a crowd and then go stab some people. Bombs, fire, knives, poison.... Dead is dead. The options to kill people is limitless.

I do not believe a 100 round magazine has been used in ANY attack. I have already proved that gun presence has no impact on murder rate... Now you are trying to pretend that banning a magazine capacity people don't use will make things safer.

Mag size doesn't even make much of a difference if you are willing to dump mags. Which mass shooters have no problem doing.

Makes a big difference at the range though.

You don't "need a car" that can go over 70 either. By your fuk tard logic we should put a limiter on all cars.

I don't care if you use your gun to finger yourself to sleep. I honestly don't even care if you use your gun to shoot yourself. But this "freedom" kills other people. Your freedom ends where someone else's right to live begins.



hurrr durrrr i want freedom for an atomIc BoMb beCaUsE I enJoY it?? Want tO make BomBS Illegal faM? Oh wait...

Sad to think this is what's becoming of Texas...

I am unsure if you are aware of this, but you are right now packing all the equipment necessary to commit rape. If you are not currently trying to reproduce you should be chemically castrated. I mean, your right to freedom, pleasure, etc ends where someone else's right to not be raped begins. We aren't going to take your penis from you, we are just looking to find a compromise. You know.. Common sense penis control.

Wow, your 4000 rep power scares me. Phuck! I wish I cared about rep power more than I do about seeing children in Public schools get killed.


Fukin lol at all the nerds who have less than 10000000 rep power saying chit like " ill neg him off re-charge" lmaooooooooo im cryin

I have never owned a 100+ magazine and never plan to but it wouldn't make a difference if they were banned or not in the context of a mass shooting. Full auto guns are the only ones that would benefit from 100+ rounds in a mass shooting situation and they have been illegal since 1986.

What the fuk difference does it make if 100 people die at different times vs at the same event?

lol If I cared about rep power I would have more. You sound like a woman screeching about taking away rights "Think of the children!" A modern day prohibitionist harpy

Texas, NY and California all need to balkanize to save the freedom loving constituents of their respective states

thats not what the laws where i stay at say. im sorry that hurts your feelings.

im not personally taking anyone's right to live away. ive actually never used a firearm irresponisbly in my whole life. you wouldnt take away booze or cars and those kill people pretty regularly, so your outrage seems arbitrary. or not arbitrary, but totally political and detached from the actual people's wellbeing. otherwise youd be railing against obesity but ur not.

it is true that gun violence is very scary, but we cant legislate based on fear.

So why are you not upset that bombs are banned?

i don't think any private citizen has the means to responsibly use a bomb. i have used firearms responsibly since i was pretty smol.

Which can't even be applied because removing guns does not reduce the murder rate...

This is 100% fear over something black, scary, and loud.I just showed you though that Gun ownership rates have no impact on murder rate...

How do you claim this freedom "kills people" when literally more people are murdered with hammer each year than "assault rifles".

Guns are just a tool. People don't see a gun and decide to kill people. They decide to kill people and find a tool that does the job.

LOL and nobody said anyone has the freedom to murder people. What are you talking about with this "Your freedom ends where someone else's right to live begins" crap? Lots of stuff can end a lives, doesn't mean you ban it. That just takes away from all the people who aren't breaking the law. Sorry your feelings are hurt though, LMAO.

Didn't mean any gun in particular.

Just guns that can fire a large number of rounds within a minute.

People claim for hunting, protection or target practice, but there are guns that do all the above without the risk of making it easy for some looney who is gonna run into a Walmart and start picking people off because he has the capability to with any gun that can fire an untold amount of bullets in a short amount of time.

Don't talk about Black Jesus like that

Nah he's just a fuking retard with no common sense or logic.

It fires one bullet per trigger pull... Fully Automatics have been virtually banned for 32 years.

Gun ownership rate has NO correlation with murder rate. Ban one tool they just use another.

So why do you have a hard on to ban something that has no impact on the number of deaths?

Libs: “iF tHe MiLiTaRy iS nEvEr gOnNa FiGhT yOu ThEn wHy dO YoU nEeD gUnS?!”

Can you *******s stop discussing brendan schaub? Its cuz of idiots like you that he has a house with a pool in socal and drives ferraris and porsches.
If you consider yourself at all american, stop funding this rrtard. Hes not funny or interesting. Hes only good at riding rogans dick.

ur the only person who mentioned him on this page. the thread pretty quickly turned to gun control debate in general.