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post 1600194281 03-19-2020, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted By RealAesthetic⏩
wish I could punch you in the face right now for being so stupid
why so emotional?

media really got you buying into this huh? it's exactly what they want, absolute control
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post 1600195011 03-19-2020, 01:21 PM
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people dying. banks cutting interest rates. people losing jobs. stock market crashing. governments spending trillions in stimulus. economies collapsing

but... ThE fLu KiLLs WaY mOrE pEoPLe
post 1600195611 03-19-2020, 01:28 PM
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Go to your local grocery store and you'll see hundreds of ppl there, young and old, all mingling along with each other. Cancel all the schools and have daycare open so the kids can stay there instead. It's a good thing we shut down the entire globe for this though. Wouldn't want ppl spreading it when they go to school, out to eat or have a beer.
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Originally Posted By ****inator⏩
Lol at comparing a virologist with a flat earther.

Surely it's impossible there could be any groups profitting from this global panic.
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post 1600196201 03-19-2020, 01:36 PM
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post 1600196881 03-19-2020, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted By darkninja67⏩
Think about it:

crowded ass cruise ship, quarantined for close to month at least. 3711 passengers and crew. 712 infected. 7 deaths.

Is that like 0.2% fatality rate? or do I suck at math?? Am I missing something here??

Media just creating mass hysteria for some reason.
Yes you are missing something.

Early infected have the benefit of beds with mechanical ventilation availiable in intensive care units, there are only so much of those on each country.

Once that threshold is met you basically have to start picking who gets treatment a those who dies (triage). Fatality rate in Italy is close to 8% not anywhere near that 0.2% you posted, as they failed to cap the infection rates below their bed capacity.

Consider that in non developed countries, normal flu season stresses hospitals near its limits, and you can see that the situation can get a lot worse than italy.
post 1600197351 03-19-2020, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted By ifisthole⏩
Yes you are missing something.

Early infected have the benefit of beds with mechanical ventilation availiable in intensive care units, there are only so much of those on each country.

Once that threshold is met you basically have to start picking who gets treatment a those who dies (triage). Fatality rate in Italy is close to 8% not anywhere near that 0.2% you posted, as they failed to cap the infection rates below their bed capacity.

Consider that in non developed countries, normal flu season stresses hospitals near its limits, and you can see that the situation can get a lot worse than italy.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ess-italy-says
The Rome-based institute has examined medical records of about 18% of the country’s coronavirus fatalities, finding that just three victims, or 0.8% of the total, had no previous pathology. Almost half of the victims suffered from at least three prior illnesses and about a fourth had either one or two previous conditions.
The average age of those who’ve died from the virus in Italy is 79.5. As of March 17, 17 people under 50 had died from the disease. All of Italy’s victims under 40 have been males with serious existing medical conditions.
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post 1600197481 03-19-2020, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted By ****inator⏩
Let's look at the past pandemics:

The H1N1 virus (colloquially known as swine flu) was "first detected in April of 2009 in the United States, and spread quickly around the world," despite the virus being of Mexican origin, as we later discovered. The Obama administration had declared it a "public health emergency" in late April, and by June, the World Health Organization declared it the "first flu pandemic in 40 years."

It wasn't until October of 2009, though, that Obama personally recognized it as a national emergency with the "potential to overburden health care resources in some localities." By that time, over one thousand Americans had died from it. The CDC estimates that between 151,700 and 575,400 people died worldwide from H1N1 virus infection in the first year that it circulated. These were not typically older patients with pre-existing infirmities who were being killed by the infections, either. Unlike the seasonal flu, the H1N1 almost exclusively affected children and adults under 65. It was quite easily transmitted from person to person, too, passed "by exposure to infected droplets expelled by coughing or sneezing that can be inhaled, or that can contaminate hands or surfaces."

In the end, over 60 million Americans were infected by H1N1. It led to 273,304 hospitalizations and 12,469 deaths in the U.S. alone.

https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...n_and_now.html
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post 1600245051 03-20-2020, 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted By ralphlaurenbrah⏩
1 virologist. ONE ****ING PERSON DUMB****
Look you emo ****, more and more doctors are rising and saying the measures taken are too extreme.

This is interesting too: "nearly half or even more of the 'asymptomatic [COVID-19-]infected individuals' reported in the active nucleic acid test screening might be false positives." Source:https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32133832/
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Originally Posted By ifisthole⏩
Yes you are missing something.

Early infected have the benefit of beds with mechanical ventilation availiable in intensive care units, there are only so much of those on each country.

Once that threshold is met you basically have to start picking who gets treatment a those who dies (triage). Fatality rate in Italy is close to 8% not anywhere near that 0.2% you posted, as they failed to cap the infection rates below their bed capacity.

Consider that in non developed countries, normal flu season stresses hospitals near its limits, and you can see that the situation can get a lot worse than italy.
I could also be missing something here, but Italy is a special case because the population is so old. Median death age was 80(iirc). If you drop a bomb on a town with 1 million there will be more casualties than one with 1000.

As far as I'm concerned right now, it's good to take precaution, and seeing the numbers settle down will ease the panic. However it's not good to act on hysteria instead of data. We don't have conclusive data because we haven't been testing. The media is acting like if we don't lock down everybody coughing their brains out are gonna flood retirement homes lol.
post 1600245351 03-20-2020, 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
Maybe the “just a flu” crowd can watch this little experiment go down.

The UK waited longer than almost any country to implement strict control measures. They at first tried a terrible herd immunity strategy. They’re going to pay severely for it.

Right now UK death toll is at 130. Their death toll will surge last 1000 by April 1st, and past 10k by mid April. By end of the next month they will likely be the world leader in total deaths.
Herd immunity is the (only) future. Surely nobody here believes we don't all get it or get directly exposed to it one day?
post 1600245481 03-20-2020, 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted By ****inator⏩
Yeah mass global media created hysteria surely doesn't put any pressure on governments. And we don't know what agendas are going on behind the curtains.
yeah the CNN and the MSNBC convinced China to quarantine their population and shipped thousands of fake corpses to Europe and the Middle East, thoroughly fooling everyone from scientists to corporate executives to even Trump.

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The real panic is gonna settle in when everyone stops worrying about corona virus and realizes how fuked the economy is. Doesn't anyone understand the massive bailouts happening or about to happen? Once the world realizes the US is never going to pay back all the printed money the US dollar is going to implode. China and Russia have been stacking gold for years and will start their own gold back currencies. Prepares for a depression never seen before.
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Originally Posted By Jimbo0731⏩
The real panic is gonna settle in when everyone stops worrying about corona virus and realizes how fuked the economy is. Doesn't anyone understand the massive bailouts happening or about to happen? Once the world realizes the US is never going to pay back all the printed money the US dollar is going to implode. China and Russia have been stacking gold for years and will start their own gold back currencies. Prepares for a depression never seen before.
can't wait for goldcels to be absolutely wiped out when crypto starts reigning supreme LOL
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
This. Mankind has an incredible track record when it comes to solving real problems.
No they don't. Yall can't even cure balding - and thats a real problem.
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This entire thing stinks to me. BRB the flu is coming, shut down the ENTIRE world!
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Originally Posted By RealAesthetic⏩
Yeah the world going into a recession and multi billion dollar buyouts to the people who can’t work are exactly what the government wanted

Fuk the amount of stupidity you conspiracy theorists possess is mind boggling

You guys have zero regard for actual common sense
Legit mental illness is what it is
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Originally Posted By Charlie
Legit mental illness is what it is
It's not a conspiracy, it's just the media over hyping something. The media has a huge influence on what politicians and even scientists believe. I bet this flu is deadlier than the regular flu, but it's not as bad as the biased media spitting out shady reports and numbers everyday make it seem.

Politicians are pressured to take action because of how much panic their is. Nobody wants to be seen as the guy who didn't do anything.
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Originally Posted By StefStefenson⏩
The virus was in the right place at the right time to spread,that doesn't affect it's actual severity in any way.Media are just retards,the virus can only threaten old geezers with pre-existing health conditions and one foot already in the grave because it's literally just a glorified flu.You wouldn't be seeing people giving social media updates from quarantine if they had fukin ebola.

Basically entire countries shut down to "protect" those vulnerable groups and all the while they seem to be the ones that give the least amount of ****s in the first place.Majority of people here if you go outside are 60+ years old and everyone else is locked inside.****ing clown show.
this is fake news, healthy people getting lung damage that is permanent, keep doing you though
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Originally Posted By blakus_javus⏩
If it is a media created panic fuelled by conspiring virologists after money- why did it start in China who completely control their media and who promptly sacked & arrested or demoted most of the medical staff in the province of origin?

If you're saying western virologists capitalised to fuel a panic- why did China react so hard, so early to the point of literally emergency building new hospitals at ground zero to try and handle the caseload/danger? What was THEIR motivation?

Do you even Occam's Razor?
because they have many large cities with high population density, a third world medical system, which means their hospitals can get over-run very quickly from a large spike in cases. their people are super paranoid after SARS, so the government had to act. they also have ****ty air quality, and tons of smokers, which means a lot of their people are very high risk. It was also the onset Chinese New Years, which meant tens of millions of people were going home travelling around the country, which meant it had a very real possibility of spreading to every major city at the same time.
this is fake news, healthy people getting lung damage that is permanent, keep doing you though
anyone who gets pneumonia will run the chance of getting permanent lung damage
Herd immunity is the (only) future. Surely nobody here believes we don't all get it or get directly exposed to it one day?
just not the way executed by the UK lol, "flattening the curve" is literally a herd immunity strategy
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You guys need a middle ground, you don't want to get infected but if your healthy and get infected its not the end of the world. Of course their are always outliers and that what the news will show. Even a 2% rate of people needing hospitalization will overwhelm the hospitals if we can keep the curve lower we will be ok.
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Originally Posted By AlwaysFocus⏩
this is fake news, healthy people getting lung damage that is permanent, keep doing you though
There is absolutely no proof you get permanent lung damage from this virus. The research these claims are based on specifically states some patients get 20-30% reduced lung capacity but there is the possibility of training it back up with cardio. This is the same thing that can happen if you catch a common cold and end up with pneumonia. Any news site that says it's permanent damage seems to just be spouting nonsense.

How would they actually even know it was permanent in the first place when their subjects have barely just recovered?
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Originally Posted By davik⏩
it is time to panic. people like this are like flat earthers, they are counter mainstream but the common sense and facts speak to the opposite! you dont tank economies and close borders if itsd ****ing nothing !
it is the panic itself that caused them to tank the economies
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Originally Posted By Azure84⏩
There is absolutely no proof you get permanent lung damage from this virus. The research these claims are based on specifically states some patients get 20-30% reduced lung capacity but there is the possibility of training it back up with cardio. This is the same thing that can happen if you catch a common cold and end up with pneumonia. Any news site that says it's permanent damage seems to just be spouting nonsense.

How would they actually even know it was permanent in the first place when their subjects have barely just recovered?
Exactly. There's also always going to be anecdotal cases of everything, you can read about one random woman in Italy that experienced something and say it's going to happen to everyone.
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Originally Posted By benedetto27⏩
Ya not sure if I believe germans when it comes to admitting death totals.
100% if you die because of a heart attack you got because of covid19 they'll say you dieded of a heart attack, which is technically true but not the full story
Germans are like this, their numbers make 0 sense

the Goverment also knows that its German citizens believe themselves to be above others so they won't question Germany being the only "outlier"

worldometers. info/coronavirus/#countries

compare their numbers to all the others
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Originally Posted By Azure84⏩
There is absolutely no proof you get permanent lung damage from this virus. The research these claims are based on specifically states some patients get 20-30% reduced lung capacity but there is the possibility of training it back up with cardio. This is the same thing that can happen if you catch a common cold and end up with pneumonia. Any news site that says it's permanent damage seems to just be spouting nonsense.

How would they actually even know it was permanent in the first place when their subjects have barely just recovered?
This, the panic has blinded them from any rational thought.

Also another **** chinese study the emos use; possible fertility and lung problems after recovery

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....12.20022418v1
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or just move to india

1 billion people

5 deaths.

We already lived through 2003 SARS which is 80% similar. 12k deaths and no one freaked. Now cuz of political agendas and social media - politicians are literally destroying society and economy to protect their reps.

Throwing every person over 65 into hotels would've been far cheaper. This virus is gonna be a kaput but the economic repercussions will last years.

news to the ears if you're a democrat. Won't help you defeat Trump in nov, so sorry.

btw: italy is full of fat 70 y/o smoking skin and bones men who have never went ot a gym in their life. Many live with their kids. Elderly society cuz few people have kids. Some of the most unhealthiest elderly people around. They were literally sitting ducks.
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