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post 1601414621 04-01-2020, 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
FWIW overall R0 has been estimated to be running about 3.9. Post lock down Italy's trended to about 2.0.



The one report I saw about the various strains of the disease stated that it is very slowly mutating (much slower than influenza) probably because it is a very successful virus and isn't under pressure to mutate. Same article posited that the virus would likely become less deadly which sounds good, though I'm not sure if they just said that because that is how most viruses behave.



Already posted a couple of places, but yes, the total deaths reported from Italy were more than the normal amount of deaths. Article is worth reading.



https://www.wsj.com/articles/italys-...ed-11585767179
derp derp derp

You have to take it over the course of a longer period.

Of course it would be during the month of the outbreak.

All those people with weak immune systems werent going to die at the exact same moment, but they were going to die at their next infection.

We will know in a year from now.
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And even if “my solution” is wrong and it would cause 10x the economic damage

None of that is the point. You’re still so hung up on who is right and who is wrong you don’t even see why I’m triggered

Even if I’m wrong and you’re right I’m not a murderer of the elderly for having my viewpoint.

I’m not trying to execute people

So shut the **** up.

I legit mean negs for life when I say it too. I’ve already used all my reps tonight and will continue maxing our until I’ve spread enough to hit you again. I suggest you get started yourself if you plan to neg me every time I neg you.

Unfortunately that’s the best I can do on an Internet forum but I promise if it was possible I guarantee I’d do way worse to you ****ing ****bag
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Originally Posted By elterrible987⏩
derp derp derp

You have to take it over the course of a longer period.

Of course it would be during the month of the outbreak.

All those people with weak immune systems werent going to die at the exact same moment, but they were going to die at their next infection.

We will know in a year from now.
Yes that is why 70 year olds are pulled off ventilators in Italy. Except they are doing it because they have to. You are doing it because you want to go to the gym. You are literally no different than a serial killer in this situation.
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Originally Posted By ltsOgre⏩
They wear cheap surgical masks, not N95 masks. Also the virus still spread life wildfire in Wuhan until the lockdown, where they do wear masks.
Chinese dont wear mask religiously like South koreans or Japanese. Also china only has 3k dead, so another proof for masks.

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Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1⏩
And even if “my solution” is wrong and it would cause 10x the economic damage

None of that is the point. You’re still so hung up on who is right and who is wrong you don’t even see why I’m triggered

Even if I’m wrong and you’re right I’m not a murderer of the elderly for having my viewpoint.

I’m not trying to execute people

So shut the **** up.

I legit mean negs for life when I say it too. I’ve already used all my reps tonight and will continue maxing our until I’ve spread enough to hit you again. I suggest you get started yourself if you plan to neg me every time I neg you.

Unfortunately that’s the best I can do on an Internet forum but I promise if it was possible I guarantee I’d do way worse to you ****ing ****bag
Bro it's probably time to log off for a bit.
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Originally Posted By SuperChieftain⏩
What do you think the numbers will be if we just drop the quarantine? I’m guessing they will go up pretty quick.
The numbers can climb rapidly because a large population gets it at once, people fill the hospital beds and suddenly there's no more room and people cant get treated.
post 1601415091 04-01-2020, 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted By ErnieMccracken⏩
Bro it's probably time to log off for a bit.
It’s probably time for you to stop calling everyone murderers but we don’t always get what we want.


So I guess you’ll have to ****ing deal with me staying logged on.
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post 1601415231 04-01-2020, 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted By HomerJThompson⏩
Chinese dont wear mask religiously like South koreans or Japanese. Also china only has 3k dead, so another proof for masks.

"CDC's stance on masks is evolving because our understanding of #coronavirus has changed. Some believe we should now view it like a poison, where the initial dose of exposure determines how sick you get. (This is different than, say, HIV). This feature of #coronavirus..."
Masks probably do work. But that's still Trumps fault for not preparing for a pandemic. Imagine if the government stockpiled a few billion masks beforehand to prepare for something like this. That would cost maybe a few billion dollars. Miniscule compared to what we are dealing with now.

Like I said we need to look backwards, not fowards. This is 100% Trumps fault.
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Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1⏩
It’s probably time for you to stop calling everyone murderers but we don’t always get what we want.

So I guess you’ll have to ****ing deal with me staying logged on.
If it helps, I don't think you're half as malicious as you are completely unaware.

Read this:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunnin...3Kruger_effect
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Originally Posted By WinningBrah⏩
If you're young you should be looking at this as an opportunity
What opportunity
post 1601415691 04-01-2020, 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted By ltsOgre⏩
Masks probably do work. But that's still Trumps fault for not preparing for a pandemic. Imagine if the government stockpiled a few billion masks beforehand to prepare for something like this. That would cost maybe a few billion dollars. Miniscule compared to what we are dealing with now.

Like I said we need to look backwards, not fowards. This is 100% Trumps fault.
How TF is it 100% Trump's fault when the WHO was downplaying the Corona virus and not calling it a pandemic because they're cucked by china, did Obama stash an emergency mask fund? Clinton? Bush? Don't blame Trump for this
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Originally Posted By ErnieMccracken⏩
If it helps, I don't think you're half as malicious as you are completely unaware.

Read this:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunnin...3Kruger_effect
I’ve reported the first post of yours I quoted just so you’re aware.

If you do get banned I want you to damn well know who got you banned.

I also offered them to ban me as well as long as you got the same length.

It’s ridiculous how you continue to equate not wanting a lockdown with wanting old people dead.

It’s harassment and I’ve let them know that in my report (and I’ve sent fighting/harassing posts to you ITT which is why I offered my own banning as well). I just want to be sure we are crystal clear if bans are handed out to the both of us. I’d argue we both deserve one right now. Doubt you’re man enough to own up to your end though.
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Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1⏩
It only looks like a success to you because you don’t have the results of not quarantining to compare it to.



See how easy this game is to play?
but who was european copuntries?

But who was the isolated cruise ships where we could see how the virus can run rampant without isolation....
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Originally Posted By 5tfihsmgidarap⏩
How TF is it 100% Trump's fault when the WHO was downplaying the Corona virus and not calling it a pandemic because they're cucked by china, did Obama stash an emergency mask fund? Clinton? Bush? Don't blame Trump for this
Trump was warned in mid 2019 of this exact scenario from a simulation. Obama already set up preparations for a pandemic but Trump got rid of them.

The WHO never downplayed the virus. Trump sure as he'll did by calling it a flu and claiming the cases would drop to zero. There was a reason why the WHO wasn't calling it a pandemic. Think long and hard as to why...
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Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1⏩
I’ve reported the first post of yours I quoted just so you’re aware.

If you do get banned I want you to damn well know who got you banned.

I also offered them to ban me as well as long as you got the same length.

It’s ridiculous how you continue to equate not wanting a lockdown with wanting old people dead.

It’s harassment and I’ve let them know that in my report (and I’ve sent fighting/harassing posts to you ITT which is why I offered my own banning as well). I just want to be sure we are crystal clear if bans are handed out to the both of us. I’d argue we both deserve one right now. Doubt you’re man enough to own up to your end though.
you don't seem to grasp that you can't have your cake and eat it too. unless you're about to reveal a predicative mobile suspended animation chamber.
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Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1⏩
Probably from the fact no one has any ****ing idea what they’re talking about.

These models change DAILY

If any of you actually think these experts aren’t just guessing out of their ass you’re naive as hell.

No one was trained for this. Sure they’re trying but some of you act like there’s a manual and shutting down is for sure effective

No. It’s just shutting down is all you can think of doing that might possibly kind of work.

It doesn’t actually look like it’s working though. Every day the expected peak gets higher, we need to be quarantined longer, etc etc etc.

Clear sign they’re lost. If they really had a handle on this thing they’d be able to say with certainty we need to be quarantined X days to have Y effect and it will be over.

Some of you need to learn to read between the lines instead of just blindly assuming the experts got this all solved.

Sorry to burst you’re bubble, those experts are just people. And you can tell from their behavior they’re all treading water trying to force a solution because they just don’t know what to do.


Imagine you’re an expert virologist. How likely are you to thrown in the towel and admit you don’t have a real answer? Probably not likely. You’re far more likely to watch a lot of other things burn in your wake of trying to solve it. Being able to solve these things is who you are as a person. It’s hard to walk away from. Like a captain who will go down with his ship.
Yeah bro, I simply asked where he got that information from.

Nice useless rant though.
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Originally Posted By ltsOgre⏩
Yes that is why 70 year olds are pulled off ventilators in Italy. Except they are doing it because they have to. You are doing it because you want to go to the gym. You are literally no different than a serial killer in this situation.
Impossible. Italy has socialized medicine. No way they dont have enough ventilators.
Originally Posted By ltsOgre⏩
Masks probably do work. But that's still Trumps fault for not preparing for a pandemic.Imagine if the government stockpiled a few billion masks beforehand to prepare for something like this.That would cost maybe a few billion dollars. Miniscule compared to what we are dealing with now.

Like I said we need to look backwards, not fowards. This is 100% Trumps fault.
Why didnt Italy stockpile a few billion ventilators?
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Originally Posted By jmoneyjumpman⏩
What do you think this is blackjack? The fed has to put money in before it collapses. If we turn everything on now without flattening the curve, the infection rate will get much higher and things would be worse. Once the number of new infections goes down, we'll be opened up again.
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Originally Posted By 5tfihsmgidarap⏩
How TF is it 100% Trump's fault when the WHO was downplaying the Corona virus and not calling it a pandemic because they're cucked by china, did Obama stash an emergency mask fund? Clinton? Bush? Don't blame Trump for this
I agree Trump is not to blame. But the WHO had a more realistic perspective on this way before Trump did.

The dude denied it literally until this week. Like ten days ago, he told us he was going to open up the US by Easter. And he spouted garbage about untested drugs, which people subscribed to and died after taking it.

They do get responsibility obviously for not going through a doc, but when you are desperate and the president gives you a “solution”, you take.

Trump is not to blame for the virus, but I, along with many other people, understand he has done more harm than good.
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Originally Posted By elterrible987⏩
Impossible. Italy has socialized medicine. No way they dont have enough ventilators.



Why didnt Italy stockpile a few billion ventilators?
You don't need ventilators if you can prevent it in the first place. Rigorous testing is key. Trump failed.
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Originally Posted By Ironmanlet⏩
I agree Trump is not to blame. But the WHO had a more realistic perspective on this way before Trump did.

The dude denied it literally until this week. Like ten days ago, he told us he was going to open up the US by Easter. And he spouted garbage about untested drugs, which people subscribed to and died after taking it.

d.
I suggest you research more on that case, the woman in question had a number of issues with her husband, not to mention mental health problems. More likely she murdered her husband and used that as a weak excuse.
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Originally Posted By ltsOgre⏩
You don't need ventilators if you can prevent it in the first place. Rigorous testing is key. Trump failed.
Not only was there/is there a lack of testing, but he wrongfully claimed we could all go get tested.

I get the president is not an expert, but he has the experts at his disposal and he simply disregards them.

I understand he is a business man, much more concerned about money than anything else.
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Originally Posted By Devils⏩
I suggest you research more on that case, the woman in question had a number of issues with her husband, not to mention mental health problems. More likely she murdered her husband and used that as a weak excuse.
I’m not going to. Even if I am misinformed about that specific incident, that doesn’t change the negative impact Trump’s utter bull****ting has had/will continue to have.
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Originally Posted By Ironmanlet⏩
I’m not going to. Even if I am misinformed about that specific incident, that doesn’t change the negative impact Trump’s utter bull****ting has had/will continue to have.
Dude, Trump wasn't telling people to consume f*cking aquarium cleaner.

At some point you have to put the onus for absolute horrendous stupidity on the individual involved.

Meanwhile... more and more people are beginning to come around to what Trump actually DID say.
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It's just the flu. Just let all the old, useless people die.
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Originally Posted By CuCkORbCuCKeD⏩
It's just the flu. Just let all the old, useless people die.
I see why you’re red.
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