First of all, this is an off-topic issue but can we stop making GoFundMe's after every fuarkin tragedy? I swear to God this chit is getting annoying. It beats the whole purpose of the tragedy in my eyes.

I've been through the process of being a LEO which is kinda why I'm chipping in. Unfortunately I didn't become one because it's not for me and I'd rather hold an unarmed position as transit security or as a court constable. The process to become a LEO with the RCMP here in Canada is quite simple. If you got two brain cells you can get past the process very quickly. The initial exam is a stupid IQ exam test which in my honest opinion could be changed for something more worth while such as making people write 2-3 paragraphs of 150 words each. You'd basically write why you are applying for this job and why you're a good candidate. It's a better judge of character then a long IQ test with psychological questions. The rest of the process is your average American process. Get email, do this, give said this to recruiter, wait for answer, etc. Get a few folks to talk about you in a positive light and you're in.

Now while I was in the training process, I was mainly observing the folks there. I'm an observant person so I'm always looking and the quality of the cadets was abysmal. It was mainly PTSD riddled soldiers and correctional folks who either had a power-trip going on or they had a desire to be the perfect loyal solder. I'm talking zero free-thinking skills and I got bullied a bit for being the exact opposite. Instructors were also PTSD riddled and took satisfaction in being named by their rank instead of their name. Is this the Army or the Police? Am I going to fight the taliban after this or am I supposed to protect and serve? Training was centered on dealing with the extreme cases and we had our usual liberal training about community policing but that was overshadowed by the self-defense classes and the talks of folks being armed. Every morning we got up at 6-7 am stood guard at a flag and stood in rows like in the army. Basically got trained as if we were in the army. Had inspections from PTSD and power-tripping drill officers who were seriously unapproachable and we ran in orderly fashion or marched to each building.

Now I don't have anything against this training if I was in the fuarkin army. Also while I respect the troops and correctional folks for the job they do, make sure these people aren't riddled with PTSD and power-tripping egos.

What do you get in the end? You get folks who wear a uniform who are not supposed to wear them. A lot of these folks do great things but when faced with extreme cases these dudes resort to extreme solutions. Theres a reason the RCMP is hated in Canada by so many folks. Theres also a reason the turnover is so high. It's treated like a paramilitary organization instead of being a police organization. Police officers are meant to be social workers as well. I never understood why people treat it like it isn't. Hiring brain dead tough guys is the reason we get these events. Instead of taking your knee off of someones upper back you get a dude who sits there like an idiot looking around when the right thing to do is taking your knee off and offering First Aid and arresting the dude later. You get cases where an autistic kids is shot. You get a situation where a RCMP officer punched a native american leader in Canada.

I respect LEO's but seriously the boot licking has to stop. Let's start hiring folks with an actual desire to do good and shift from training soldiers to training social workers with a gun. That's just my two cents. Ill probably catch a few negs but so be it.

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She would have been better served calling for an EMT/fire department. But I'm sure that the poor woman never expected it to go so wrong. She was likely just overwhelmed by the situation.

IMO you don't call the police unless you are fairly sure that adding guns and legal complications can't make it worse, or you know that not calling them could put you into some legal jeopardy. There is no guarantee that the police will see your situation the same way that you do.

You want better qualified people for the same pay? That's not how it works

It didn't say she called police. It said she called 911.

The dispatcher could have sent EMS, social workers or cops. The dispatcher chose cops.

the point is, some of the police's huge budget should be spent on training mental health professionals who can respond to these sorts of calls.

It didn't say she called police. It said she called 911.

The dispatcher could have sent EMS, social workers or cops. The dispatcher chose cops.

In all seriousness, this. In a lot of jurisdictions, even the dispatcher has very little flexibility in who to send. If you call with a mental health crisis, you're often getting the police whether you wanted them or not.

We had an incident in CNY several years ago where a hospital employee - completely normal when he left his house in the morning - was psychotic by the time he showed up at work and talking about terrorists planting a dirty bomb in the MRI machine. They called 911 for assistance removing him from the lobby, thinking they'd be sending him for a psych eval.

What ended up happening was the responding officer was sitting in his car doing paperwork or something with the door open before he went inside, the delusional guy ran up behind him and got his gun out of the holster, ended up shooting him in a struggle for it, and getting shot in a firefight with the second officer to respond who pulled up just in time to witness the disaster. The hospital operated on them both and couldn't save either one. The police didn't do anything wrong, nightmare scenario for everyone, but adding a weapon to the mix only made everything worse and, of course, his coworkers have to live with knowing they made that call trying to help him.

One of the only cases I've ever seen of a police officer getting shot in the line of duty where even the chief was just like "welp, he was just crazy, we know he didn't mean anything by it". Fukked.

I need a new wallet, a new belt, maybe some new ties... when and where we lootin boys?

I have yet to see a belt get looted.

Also, I've heard that if your pants sag it's an invitation to get ass plugged.

I never realized how many young, black *******s there are out there.

This dude get it. Repped.

We don't need to defend, we need to REFUND and allocate LE dollars towards proper training for the modern environment and raise the bar.

It's well known that precincts won't hire folks that score too high on intelligence tests because it means they're less likely to tow the line on bad policing and will i stead have critical thinking skills.

Wash out the dumb and ****ty cops and spend the extra money on training good cops. This isn't infantry war. Better to have 500k highly trained, specialized, and intelligent officers than 800k where half are morons and afraid of their own shadow.

Create more funding for departments and pay them better but only take top candidates that are willing to be held responsible.

No immunity BS.

The entire premise of the whole 'defund the police' thing was literally EXACTLY for situations like this, where those funds would have been reallocated to other resources so cops didn't have 900001 things on their plate, but brainlets thought it meant sending social workers to stop robberies

fact of the matter is that police aren't trained to descalate, they're told not to take any chances. They shouldn't even be getting called in to deal with people with mental issues when they don't even have the training to handle the situation

Yes, police are trained to de-escalate. How moronic of an opinion from someone who hasn't spent a day in LE. Brb asking Stevie Wonder how to drive.

No offense but you sound soft.


Also did they ask you for your misc account?

Why are you calling cops to come deal with your child's mental breakdown?

"defund" is such a toxic terminology. "reinvest" is a better word. we're gonna need cops for a long time, even if we try to move to community policing. the point is, some of the police's huge budget should be spent on training mental health professionals who can respond to these sorts of calls.

Nice post by the Canadian guy. The reality is that the north Hollywood shooting, among other incidents and trends, combined with the middle eastern occupation round two? Three? Changed policing here forever. And not in a good way.