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post 1627559253 01-05-2021, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted By guest89⏩
Recently went visit my father.

-Turns 60 in a couple of months
-Wakes up at 4AM every day. Does manual labor all day every day. Has labored in the outdoors 6-7 days per week his entire life. (If he's off work he does his own projects a home).
-Still strong, lean and fit.
-Hasn't been to a doctor in over 20 years.
-Thick head of jet black hair. (Some greying in his beard now though).
-Face is still smooth and isn't overly wrinkled despite a lifetime outside in the sun.
-Also just had another child so still plugging away.


He has never eaten 'healthy' or 'organic'. Drinks a half gallon of milk every night. Crushes a couple of beers every night. Has smoked on and off for 10 years. When he was younger had a run on *******. Etc. He's about to be 60. Looks 40. Has the energy/physique of a 25 year old.



I really think males are meant to labor outside every single day. Sitting down indoors all day and easy living is neutering us as a species. Obesity, low T, depression, anxiety, etc. should not exist.
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Originally Posted By pondus_levo⏩
Don't you think productivity increased because of better technologies and automation, though? You can do more, but the work isn't any harder. If anything the work is easier.

If you noticed the separation started with the age of computers.
I'll agree with you that nowadays work is less phsyically demanding. I'm not sure if technical work is necessarily easier, however. I think you need a lot more knowledge/sophistication for certain jobs nowadays than you did in decades past.

Even if jobs are getting easier, how do you explain the dramatic rise in executive compensation? CEO pay has apparently increased by 940% since 1978. This is according to this article I quickly googled:https://www.epi.org/publication/ceo-compensation-2018/

I've seen other sources that also show a ridiculous rise in pay for execs. I don't think their jobs have become that much harder.
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Originally Posted By LordBroly⏩
I'll agree with you that nowadays work is less phsyically demanding. I'm not sure if technical work is necessarily easier, however. I think you need a lot more knowledge/sophistication for certain jobs nowadays than you did in decades past.

Even if jobs are getting easier, how do you explain the dramatic rise in executive compensation? CEO pay has apparently increased by 940% since 1978. This is according to this article I quickly googled:https://www.epi.org/publication/ceo-compensation-2018/

I've seen other sources that also show a ridiculous rise in pay for execs. I don't think their jobs have become that much harder.
Another reason is globalism suppressing wages in the west.
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Originally Posted By ****inator⏩
Another reason is globalism suppressing wages in the west.
Which all ties in with executive pay skyrocketing. Since their compensation is tied directly to company performance, they've been able to increase their pay along with company profits by sending as many jobs as possible to places that pay poverty wages.
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Can confirm haven't met a guy with optimal testosterone levels since 2014

95% of males have gone full beta. It's the era of simps and wimps.

Also the plastics and chit that is in the food is killing us
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post 1627561323 01-05-2021, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted By JoeDelts⏩
Which all ties in with executive pay skyrocketing. Since their compensation is tied directly to company performance, they've been able to increase their pay along with company profits by sending as many jobs as possible to places that pay poverty wages.
Exactly.
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Originally Posted By nineOHnine⏩
Plastics contain endocrine disruptors / synthetic estrogen.

A buddy works in recycling explained the whole "plastics don't degrade" is a myth.

They do degrade very slowly, and where do you think those tiny little particles go ?

Everywhere. In our oceans, water, in our homes, our cars, our food ... ect.

Think about it, every single food item we ingest is in contact with plastic.
I never understood why everything is plastic now instead of glass. Glass eventually completely degrades back to a form of sand. We're destroying the planet and our bodies with plastic for no reason.
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Originally Posted By swoleyo⏩
I never understood why everything is plastic now instead of glass. Glass eventually completely degrades back to a form of sand. We're destroying the planet and our bodies with plastic for no reason.
The reason is convenience.

The Greta Turnbergs of the world should be protesting about plastics and other endocrine disrupting products destroying our environment
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Originally Posted By ****inator⏩
Sure but because of computers, internet,... leading to more productivity there is also more stress. Hell now your boss can still mail you on a day off.

Meanwhile the wage of CEO's has skyrocketed in comparison to normal employees...

Lol come on now, I'm no commie but how can you defend this ****?
Uh, I chose my own path. I make good money and my job is relatively stress free. My boss can email me all he wants when I am on vacation, but I won't respond. lol.

I guess I would be pissed if I made poor career choices, but then who's fault would that have been?

Do I think the wage gap is just? No, but again, minimum wagies should have chosen a different career path.
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Originally Posted By pondus_levo⏩
Uh, I chose my own path. I make good money and my job is relatively stress free. My boss can email me all he wants when I am on vacation, but I won't respond. lol.

I guess I would be pissed if I made poor career choices, but then who's fault would that have been?
This has nothing to do with your personal choices. This is the average that changed or wait you think wages stopped going up because everyone made "bad choices"? Lol
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Not surprising.

Men are becoming women. Women are becoming men.

Culture, work/education, politics, fashion, diet, medicine all has played a key role into this. It’s a complex issue, but in essence men need to start being men again
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Originally Posted By ipunchurgirl⏩
A true man with high testosterone doesnt give af about that. Only low T neutered ****s care about thats. People dont understand being high T will literally put you in a different mindset
Maybe. Example:

I make a law that you cant punch people in the face. So, what happens? People change their behavior so they cant punch people in the face

You are saying an alpha male doesnt care and punches someone in the face.

Well, now what happens? He goes to jail.

And now hes confined to a cell, which will also change behavior.

So, basically your behavior changes regardless

Point being, youre still affected
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If only the misc was aware that your levels fluctuate much more than that all day



A 100 point reduction is nothing, eating a sandwich would raise you higher than that

That's why we ask you to fast before drawing the blood serum

Even then it takes multiple tests to get an accurate average
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Originally Posted By MetroBrah⏩
At this rate, "male" will become an extinct gender pretty soon. It will morph into something different entirely with no penis. Maybe just a few semen sacks that can be used for artificial insemination until women are able to reproduce asexually.

This is the average human of the numale gender in 2121

lmao wtf
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Originally Posted By propreffered7⏩
Maybe. Example:

I make a law that you cant punch people in the face. So, what happens? People change their behavior so they cant punch people in the face

You are saying an alpha male doesnt care and punches someone in the face.

Well, now what happens? He goes to jail.

And now hes confined to a cell, which will also change behavior.

So, basically your behavior changes regardless

Point being, youre still affected
Not really sure what you mean? But what im saying is a man with high T paves his own way, and looks to implement his own rules. They dont really truely care about societies rules even if they pretend too. This is why men with high T dont really work too well as a group with others. They strive for social dominance, not to be like everyone else.
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Originally Posted By 69Lbs⏩
Srs, what are ways to increase test?
High quality sleep and plenty of animal based fats such as eggs milk fatty meats etc basically all the foods retards think are unhealthy
IMHO these 2 things are the most important besides lifting and exercising
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Originally Posted By propreffered7⏩
Thats because theyre the same thing. Its def. More mentality imo. Im sure other stuff affects but less so

I think you could isolate this. Take the t levels of natties in actually masculine sports(these athletes would still be affected by the enviro. Outside as well). And compare them to officels. No synthetic stuff allowed, and not a pussified sport like golf or something

Dude who sits on his computer all day vs. A guy in a competitive environment constantly competing

Environment literally changes every fiber of your being whereas you could be masculine as fuk and drink some water that barely affects it. But i understand the sentiment in that being a physical thing that would certainly affect it

But so does being a fat tub of lard vs. Being active; the body is also reacting to those forced changes

Edit: competitiveness would be good for t btw
This is an average across the board drop of 27% in only 20 years, that is a very short time. In fact we had basically the same diet 20 years ago. That some people are athletes and others arent, doesnt matter, its an across the board average, atheletes are included in both groups. Obesity rates keep going up sure which prob contributes but there may be something more than that. It is not just people "thinking beta thoughts" or the like that makes blood hormone levels drop at such a huge rate in only 20 years or not even a full generation.

If there was a women's health issue like this, the media and politicians would be going off their fuking rockers about it to "get to the bottom of it", its a mens health issue so nobody gives a chit.
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Originally Posted By blissful88⏩
If only the misc was aware that your levels fluctuate much more than that all day



A 100 point reduction is nothing, eating a sandwich would raise you higher than that

That's why we ask you to fast before drawing the blood serum

Even then it takes multiple tests to get an accurate average
we would have to assume that the study is accounting for that and is taking the blood samples at the same time of day, its medical data and its been a downward trend for decades, this is just another study showing the same change. Really if the studies didnt account for daily fluctuations and just took random samples, we would expect some studies to have shown an INCREASE over time in test, yet i dont think a single one has ever found that.
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Could explain the drastic spike in gays
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Originally Posted By elterrible987⏩
27% drop in 20 years is extremely concerning

i get the temptation to make soy boy jokes and to imply that its somehow a mentality change in society but there is a physical/environmental cause to this and the fact that no national organization or media attention seems to be interested in uncovering WHY this is happening is fuked up and makes me fume. If women had a 27% average drop in estorgen in a mere 20 years, the media would be up in arms and every politicians would be "committed to uncovering why we are damaging our young women" or some BS like that.

its the food, its the plastics, its birthcontrol reaching the water supply, whatever but its fuked up society doesnt seem interested in countering this.
Agreed 100% but if we live our lives as healthy as possible we can still have decent test levels natty hopping on dat dere isn’t the answer
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Originally Posted By elterrible987⏩
we would have to assume that the study is accounting for that and is taking the blood samples at the same time of day, its medical data and its been a downward trend for decades, this is just another study showing the same change. Really if the studies didnt account for daily fluctuations and just took random samples, we would expect some studies to have shown an INCREASE over time in test, yet i dont think a single one has ever found that.
Regardless a drop from 600 to 500 like the graph shows isn't enough to physically nor cognitively change behavior/physical appearance




What's really going on is males are being groomed by the internet and feminist society as a whole

I grew up with a guy that discovered Reddit & 18 months later he tells me he wants to become a girl


I managed to talk him out of surgeries/replacement, got him into a psychiatrist and now he's married to a gorgeous woman with 2 sons, lifts every week, completely happy
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Originally Posted By swoleyo⏩
I never understood why everything is plastic now instead of glass. Glass eventually completely degrades back to a form of sand. We're destroying the planet and our bodies with plastic for no reason.
Plastic is generally lighter and more durable (doesn't shatter). Saves on transportation costs by reducing weight.

I agree though, going to be a lot of built up toxicity from plastic over time
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Originally Posted By elterrible987⏩
This is an average across the board drop of 27% in only 20 years, that is a very short time. In fact we had basically the same diet 20 years ago. That some people are athletes and others arent, doesnt matter, its an across the board average, atheletes are included in both groups. Obesity rates keep going up sure which prob contributes but there may be something more than that. It is not just people "thinking beta thoughts" or the like that makes blood hormone levels drop at such a huge rate in only 20 years or not even a full generation.

If there was a women's health issue like this, the media and politicians would be going off their fuking rockers about it to "get to the bottom of it", its a mens health issue so nobody gives a chit.
YES. but look at where there's such a dramatic increase

computers were still new in the 90's (to most people)

that lines up with your timeline

it's not just beta thoughts man. i outlined it above; it's more like feministic laws

anyways, it's been discussed before. our hardware (brains) can't keep up with the ever increasing tech. i think it's possible for our bodies to be affected before then, but our bodies take a while to adapt. if ever. cause most of the time tech and biology don't mix (that's a tough statement, cause i dont mean they don't ever. they def. do)

but i'm more thinking like your body is structured a certain way - wants to do certain activities based on our physiology and something like a computer doesn't generally facilitate that. maybe you can design a computer that focuses on exercise but that's still forcing the body to exercise

edit: i'm having to put this example at the bottom cause of server error. example:

you are out in a field, free to do whatever you want.
i put a house over you and tell you you are able to do whatever you want but you are confined to the house and are incapable of leaving
you can think you're however alpha you want (your thoughts) but you are still bound by the house. in other words, your alphaness can only extend as far as the house will let you
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Originally Posted By ipunchurgirl⏩
Not really sure what you mean? But what im saying is a man with high T paves his own way, and looks to implement his own rules. They dont really truely care about societies rules even if they pretend too. This is why men with high T dont really work too well as a group with others. They strive for social dominance, not to be like everyone else.
and as i said, if they think they "pave their own way" they don't. at least not without a little influence from the society they're in. they might be able to blend behind the lines - but again, that's also forcing them to hide and or change as well.

OR they could be outside of society

i might agree with you if you are talking about some dude in siberia that lives off grid where nobody is and legit dictates his own rules but if you're functioning in society, you are affected
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You can easily tell just going around the street and looking at the soy facial structures and bone structure of guys. I ain't complaining tbh, every low t ******* is just one less dude to compete with.
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Originally Posted By eod8989⏩
Chad here
Are you off your meds?
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you guys have no idea how sad the upcoming generations are srs

they're beyond soyboys and helpless

i thought mine was bad until I saw theirs
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Originally Posted By ****inator⏩
This has nothing to do with your personal choices. This is the average that changed or wait you think wages stopped going up because everyone made "bad choices"? Lol
Why would wages go up for the same jobs that do the same thing? The only difference is the tools being used have gotten better increasing productivity. It does not make sense for wages to keep up with productivity. More productivity does not mean more profit, it just means the money is going into the technology instead of hiring more people. Productivity does not go up like that because people are working harder, it's because they are working smarter.

Or do you think a guy flipping burgers should be making $100k/year after doing it for 40 years?
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