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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
Lost of taste sucks had it for a week at thanksgiving. COVID is still weak tho.did you use your rational thinking to consider the possibility of permanent lung scarring and loss of taste from covid?
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
I went to the exact page YOU told me to find the “detailed analysis of the trials.” You directed me there. So just to summarize, you didn’t say the vaccine wasn’t effective, you just used a source that claimed that and directed me to the page(s) that make that argument. Nice try.Again: I posted 171 pages of evidence. You're too braindead to look through it an complain so I look through it for you and tell you some places to look. You conveniently pick one page that supports some bullchit argument youre trying to make when nobody even asked you about it.
You might as well say that a word is misspelled and claim "AHA! I TOLD YOU THERE WERE SPELLING ERRORS".
Nowhere did I say vaccines werent effective dipchit. Look through the remaining pages and tell me that all of it is anecdotal pseudoscience and that if this was shown on CNN, people wouldnt be skeptical of the vaccine.
You might as well say that a word is misspelled and claim "AHA! I TOLD YOU THERE WERE SPELLING ERRORS".
Nowhere did I say vaccines werent effective dipchit. Look through the remaining pages and tell me that all of it is anecdotal pseudoscience and that if this was shown on CNN, people wouldnt be skeptical of the vaccine.
You can’t put a single coherent argument together for why the vaccine isn’t safe. Not one. Just a .com source with stories in it. I know you’re not a scientist, and I don’t expect you to be. But you can do better. I’m off to bed.
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Originally Posted By quadfecta⏩
ACE2 receptors are NOT used as binding sites or act as transfer sites on your cells. They are used to process to reduce some of the other peptides and molecultes in your body into other forms. spike protein is unique is that it fits the damn thing even though it's not meant to and as such it creates cell signaling instead which results in thickening of the lining/cells in the tissue. So bombarding your body with these proteins is bad for obvious reasons.not watching the video, but what's the logic behind the spike protein being "harmful"?
the main flaw in your argument is that the cells aren't "producing spike protein", but an innocuous version of it is injected itself through the vaccine which your T cells recognize as an antigen and produce the appropriate immune response (making antibodies).
the main flaw in your argument is that the cells aren't "producing spike protein", but an innocuous version of it is injected itself through the vaccine which your T cells recognize as an antigen and produce the appropriate immune response (making antibodies).
And yes cells do produce spike protein from all vaccines, however the designed transmembrane is supposed to hold these proteins inside the membrane of the cells and not let go. Your immune system then recognizes those do not belong and nukes them. But if a huge number of s proteins do become detached on their own and just free-roam your body then that indeed is bad. Still not as bad as systemic covid infection IMO.
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06-18-2021, 12:50 AM
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The vaccines are almost perfectly safe. They certainly meet the medical criteria for a safe vaccine, and they have been administered to hundreds of millions of people globally. Just admit you're scared of needles. It's okay to be a pussy in 2021.
06-18-2021, 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted By lolatpaniccels⏩
based. this is what i do.haven't used a microwave in years, my preworkout is coffee, never used roids, eat 95% organic, R/O water system.
I have to use the wifi and cell phone ( those waves are bad for you too) but you can't function in the 21st century without those.
I can easily function without an experimental gene therapy where the manufacturer is not liable for injuries.
I have to use the wifi and cell phone ( those waves are bad for you too) but you can't function in the 21st century without those.
I can easily function without an experimental gene therapy where the manufacturer is not liable for injuries.
no microwave, room temperature showers, no AC, no roids, filtered water
wifi and cell phone not near me when i sleep
06-18-2021, 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted By Better
This is some next level bro science. You seem to be confusing ACE2 with ACE2 receptor. You seem to be confusing a lot of things. This is because you have no formal education in biology, and that's because, like most posters here, you're a fuking moron. You should work on that.ACE2 receptors are NOT used as binding sites or act as transfer sites on your cells. They are used to process to reduce some of the other peptides and molecultes in your body into other forms. spike protein is unique is that it fits the damn thing even though it's not meant to and as such it creates cell signaling instead which results in thickening of the lining/cells in the tissue. So bombarding your body with these proteins is bad for obvious reasons.
And yes cells do produce spike protein from all vaccines, however the designed transmembrane is supposed to hold these proteins inside the membrane of the cells and not let go. Your immune system then recognizes those do not belong and nukes them. But if a huge number of s proteins do become detached on their own and just free-roam your body then that indeed is bad. Still not as bad as systemic covid infection IMO.
And yes cells do produce spike protein from all vaccines, however the designed transmembrane is supposed to hold these proteins inside the membrane of the cells and not let go. Your immune system then recognizes those do not belong and nukes them. But if a huge number of s proteins do become detached on their own and just free-roam your body then that indeed is bad. Still not as bad as systemic covid infection IMO.
However, the last part of your statement, that the vaccines are safer and preferable to covid infection, is correct. Bravo!
06-18-2021, 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted By Better
I didn't realize I was reading about the upcoming Novavax vaccine which apparently just injects synthetic version of the spike protein, while the others already in use apparently use the actual viral particles to infect cells. Admittedly I've done next to no research on the vaccines so couldn't really go into depth about why the traditional vaccines are so debatedACE2 receptors are NOT used as binding sites or act as transfer sites on your cells. They are used to process to reduce some of the other peptides and molecultes in your body into other forms. spike protein is unique is that it fits the damn thing even though it's not meant to and as such it creates cell signaling instead which results in thickening of the lining/cells in the tissue. So bombarding your body with these proteins is bad for obvious reasons.
And yes cells do produce spike protein from all vaccines, however the designed transmembrane is supposed to hold these proteins inside the membrane of the cells and not let go. Your immune system then recognizes those do not belong and nukes them. But if a huge number of s proteins do become detached on their own and just free-roam your body then that indeed is bad. Still not as bad as systemic covid infection IMO.
And yes cells do produce spike protein from all vaccines, however the designed transmembrane is supposed to hold these proteins inside the membrane of the cells and not let go. Your immune system then recognizes those do not belong and nukes them. But if a huge number of s proteins do become detached on their own and just free-roam your body then that indeed is bad. Still not as bad as systemic covid infection IMO.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/novavax...dy-11623664800
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Originally Posted By H00J⏩
Fuk no. Her time was so precious to read/ learn about greedy dimwits.surgeries also increase the spread of the cancer
Did she read any books on the business of cancer?
I would do the same and travel freely my last few months
Did she read any books on the business of cancer?
I would do the same and travel freely my last few months
I know though it is a huge industry. I doubt theyd wanna find a cure that clears it all completely. Instead theyll probably find something thatll help you live with it so you'll keep buying the medicine.
06-18-2021, 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
go phuck yourself I have MS in biochem lmaoThis is some next level bro science. You seem to be confusing ACE2 with ACE2 receptor. You seem to be confusing a lot of things. This is because you have no formal education in biology, and that's because, like most posters here, you're a fuking moron. You should work on that.
However, the last part of your statement, that the vaccines are safer and preferable to covid infection, is correct. Bravo!
However, the last part of your statement, that the vaccines are safer and preferable to covid infection, is correct. Bravo!
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06-18-2021, 01:20 AM
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Just lol at discussing this. Unless you are some 24/7 basement dweller, they are going to make you take it eventually if you want employment, travel rights etc.
Instead look for ways to cheat it
Instead look for ways to cheat it
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Thanks. She had a sarcoma. Only did two rounds of chemo, 1 round radio and one surgery. They wanted to go on with chemo but we know it'd be useless. We checked people who accepted the full treatment (follow up chemo, amputation etc) they all lasted even less than my sis did.Mirin sisters decision to spend her remaining time traveling and enjoying herself. Had a family member also do that, and if I ever get hit with a diagnosis like that I plan on doing the same.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...hp?t=180234573You might want to review the difference between the receptor and the enzyme itself there champ.
Jehova bless this guy
06-18-2021, 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
I can't speak for the "thousands", but liability protection is an important factor for me, particularly when it comes to potential long term consequences for my daughter who is only 15 and at very low risk of severe illness from COVID.The people who aren’t taking them now aren’t doing so because of the liability protection.
Also, imagine thousands of idiots trying to sue you for adverse reactions because they either want a handout or actually believe the vaccine caused some unrelated effect. Companies would lose additional millions in just settling.
And most importantly, as pharmaceutical companies have learned over and over, the courtroom is not an examination of scientific data. Jurors aren’t scientists but they are impressionable. A good lawyer can convince them of just about anything.
Also, imagine thousands of idiots trying to sue you for adverse reactions because they either want a handout or actually believe the vaccine caused some unrelated effect. Companies would lose additional millions in just settling.
And most importantly, as pharmaceutical companies have learned over and over, the courtroom is not an examination of scientific data. Jurors aren’t scientists but they are impressionable. A good lawyer can convince them of just about anything.
Originally Posted By quadfecta⏩
It's true that people believe what they want to believe. People that want to believe that COVID is just a flu/hoax reject death numbers as fake/unproven. People that want to believe that the vaccine is safe reject claims that deaths/miscarriages/lasting poor health are a result of the vaccine.not watching the video, but what's the logic behind the spike protein being "harmful"?
the main flaw in your argument is that the cells aren't "producing spike protein", but an innocuous version of it is injected itself through the vaccine which your T cells recognize as an antigen and produce the appropriate immune response (making antibodies).
the main flaw in your argument is that the cells aren't "producing spike protein", but an innocuous version of it is injected itself through the vaccine which your T cells recognize as an antigen and produce the appropriate immune response (making antibodies).
Is the Salk Institute just a bunch of quacks?
SAN DIEGO (KGTV) -- From kidney failure to heart damage to strokes, COVID-19 can cause a wide range of complications from head to toe. New research from a team ofscientists at the Salk Institute in La Jollahelps explain why.
Thestudy published in Circulation Research confirms the virus attacks the cells lining blood vessels. Since blood vessels feed every organ, these vascular endothelial cells give the virus a foothold to launch assaults across the body.
The researchers’ primary finding, however, is that the infamous spikes coating SARS-CoV-2 play a larger role in the disease than once thought.
“The spike protein alone does damage,” said Uri Manor, an assistant research professor and co-author of the study.
Scientists have known for a while that the coronavirus's distinctive spike proteins allow it to unlock and enter cells, but the Salk researchers documented how the proteins themselves cause damage to the cells when they bind to a receptor on the surface.
“It causes this massive change in cellular signaling that ultimately causes damage to their mitochondria,” Manor said.
Pro vaccine people will clap back that there is no evidence that the spike protein from the vaccine is damaging. Why is there no evidence?Thestudy published in Circulation Research confirms the virus attacks the cells lining blood vessels. Since blood vessels feed every organ, these vascular endothelial cells give the virus a foothold to launch assaults across the body.
The researchers’ primary finding, however, is that the infamous spikes coating SARS-CoV-2 play a larger role in the disease than once thought.
“The spike protein alone does damage,” said Uri Manor, an assistant research professor and co-author of the study.
Scientists have known for a while that the coronavirus's distinctive spike proteins allow it to unlock and enter cells, but the Salk researchers documented how the proteins themselves cause damage to the cells when they bind to a receptor on the surface.
“It causes this massive change in cellular signaling that ultimately causes damage to their mitochondria,” Manor said.
Because there hasn't been an organized study yet AFAIK. But they will just say there is no evidence that the deaths and other health issues being experienced by people post vaccine are caused by the vaccine.
And it is just an amazing coincidence that the types of health issues being reported post vaccine are quite similar to the health issues people have experienced from COVID.
Just a coincidence. No proof. Perfectly safe. Better than getting COVID.
That last one? Yes, could be true, particularly for people at risk of acute illness.
However if you are at very low risk or have already had COVID and have antibodies for same then it is an unnecessary risk. No compelling reason to rush out and get the jab.
ivermectin + wait and see = not a radical idea
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06-18-2021, 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
64% of the US adult population has already received at least one dose. It's fine, Karen.I can't speak for the "thousands", but liability protection is an important factor for me, particularly when it comes to potential long term consequences for my daughter who is only 15 and at very low risk of severe illness from COVID.
It's true that people believe what they want to believe. People that want to believe that COVID is just a flu/hoax reject death numbers as fake/unproven. People that want to believe that the vaccine is safe reject claims that deaths/miscarriages/lasting poor health are a result of the vaccine.
Is the Salk Institute just a bunch of quacks?
Pro vaccine people will clap back that there is no evidence that the spike protein from the vaccine is damaging. Why is there no evidence?
Because there hasn't been an organized study yet AFAIK. But they will just say there is no evidence that the deaths and other health issues being experienced by people post vaccine are caused by the vaccine.
And it is just an amazing coincidence that the types of health issues being reported post vaccine are quite similar to the health issues people have experienced from COVID.
Just a coincidence. No proof. Perfectly safe. Better than getting COVID.
That last one? Yes, could be true, particularly for people at risk of acute illness.
However if you are at very low risk or have already had COVID and have antibodies for same then it is an unnecessary risk. No compelling reason to rush out and get the jab.
ivermectin + wait and see = not a radical idea
It's true that people believe what they want to believe. People that want to believe that COVID is just a flu/hoax reject death numbers as fake/unproven. People that want to believe that the vaccine is safe reject claims that deaths/miscarriages/lasting poor health are a result of the vaccine.
Is the Salk Institute just a bunch of quacks?
Pro vaccine people will clap back that there is no evidence that the spike protein from the vaccine is damaging. Why is there no evidence?
Because there hasn't been an organized study yet AFAIK. But they will just say there is no evidence that the deaths and other health issues being experienced by people post vaccine are caused by the vaccine.
And it is just an amazing coincidence that the types of health issues being reported post vaccine are quite similar to the health issues people have experienced from COVID.
Just a coincidence. No proof. Perfectly safe. Better than getting COVID.
That last one? Yes, could be true, particularly for people at risk of acute illness.
However if you are at very low risk or have already had COVID and have antibodies for same then it is an unnecessary risk. No compelling reason to rush out and get the jab.
ivermectin + wait and see = not a radical idea
If you don't want to get vaccinated or would rather wait for official fda approval rather than emergency use authorization, feel free. Covid is basically over anyway, at least here in the US.
06-18-2021, 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Right?64% of the US adult population has already received at least one dose. It's fine, Karen.
If you don't want to get vaccinated or would rather wait for official fda approval rather than emergency use authorization, feel free.Covid is basically over anyway, at least here in the US.
If you don't want to get vaccinated or would rather wait for official fda approval rather than emergency use authorization, feel free.Covid is basically over anyway, at least here in the US.
So why the major continuing press to increase vaccination? Particularly the vaccination of children?
Kids are half as likely to get COVID and when they do get it the symptoms are less serious. Also the old sick people that were supposed to be protected by preventing infections in school age children should be vaxxed by now if they so choose.
ETA: And if Karen is what you call someone who cares about their child's health enough to do a little research then that's the opposite of an insult.
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06-18-2021, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
I don't know how many more opioid epidemics there has to be before people realize govt is in bed with big pharma.I occasionally walk into our living room to see what's being shown on the news when my dad watches it (oldschool boomer who believes MSM 100%) and today to my surprise I saw that the government is investing $3.2 billion into PILLS that treat COVID. very surprising considering they are trying to suppress anything else that works without the vaccine.
I'm guessing the pill will have great effectiveness but that they are creating it so that pharma can make a huge profit off of it, instead of just letting people get away with ivermectin and HCQ.
the idea being, you should supposedly be able to walk into a pharmacy and get a prescription for COVID and they hand you a set of pills. odd, considering (I'm guessing here) there's nothing like that for the flu except OTC medications.
depending on the effectiveness of the pill and how soon it's released, this is a great reason to avoid the vaccine if one can.
I'm guessing the pill will have great effectiveness but that they are creating it so that pharma can make a huge profit off of it, instead of just letting people get away with ivermectin and HCQ.
the idea being, you should supposedly be able to walk into a pharmacy and get a prescription for COVID and they hand you a set of pills. odd, considering (I'm guessing here) there's nothing like that for the flu except OTC medications.
depending on the effectiveness of the pill and how soon it's released, this is a great reason to avoid the vaccine if one can.
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Originally Posted By _zman⏩
wait their lawyers say they didn't do it? Are you saying I can't trust lawyers either??I don't know how many more opioid epidemics there has to be before people realize govt is in bed with big pharma.
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
he will continue to ignore this over and over.Again: I posted 171 pages of evidence. You're too braindead to look through it and complain so I look through it for you and tell you some places to look. You conveniently pick one page that supports some bullchit argument youre trying to make when nobody even asked you about that.
You might as well say that a word is misspelled and claim "AHA! I TOLD YOU THERE WERE SPELLING ERRORS" when nobody said there weren't spelling errors to begin with.
Nowhere did I say vaccines werent effective dipchit. Look through the remaining pages and tell me that all of it is anecdotal pseudoscience and that if this was shown on CNN, people wouldnt be skeptical of the vaccine.
JFL.
Provaxxers: He tested positive for COVID and died 3 days later, thats a COVID death!
Also provaxxers: He took the vaccine and died 3 days later, thats a natural death that had nothing to do with the vaccine!
Lmao
You might as well say that a word is misspelled and claim "AHA! I TOLD YOU THERE WERE SPELLING ERRORS" when nobody said there weren't spelling errors to begin with.
Nowhere did I say vaccines werent effective dipchit. Look through the remaining pages and tell me that all of it is anecdotal pseudoscience and that if this was shown on CNN, people wouldnt be skeptical of the vaccine.
JFL.
Provaxxers: He tested positive for COVID and died 3 days later, thats a COVID death!
Also provaxxers: He took the vaccine and died 3 days later, thats a natural death that had nothing to do with the vaccine!
Lmao
He, MP83 and Wincel are the biggest *******s on this forum
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
At least you are speaking sense w/ this post. Too bad that so many ppl in US are radicalized that they feel there is some moral obligation to force or shame ppl into receiving the vaccine.64% of the US adult population has already received at least one dose. It's fine, Karen.
If you don't want to get vaccinated or would rather wait for official fda approval rather than emergency use authorization, feel free. Covid is basically over anyway, at least here in the US.
If you don't want to get vaccinated or would rather wait for official fda approval rather than emergency use authorization, feel free. Covid is basically over anyway, at least here in the US.
Also, seems kind of premature to declare "it's fine" when the issue ppl are grappling with is whether mRNA tech can cause long-term issues that no one has really thought of or otherwise acts unpredictably, due to the lack of long-term testing in humans.
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If you are under 60 and relatively healthy and you got the vaccine you are legitimately retarded. I'll have a hard time feeling bad for those if any complications from it arise. With that said, hopefully nothing comes out of it.
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
The spike protein is NOT being translated in the cell and then being dumped into circulation. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what is happening during vaccination on the molecular level. It is fundamentally different than infection. With vaccination, the spike protein is being translated and then most of it is degraded by proteosomes in the cell and small fragments are expressed on MHC1 and 2. A small portion of intact proteins make it to the surface and are anchored there. They are stuck to the cell membrane. Very, very few are released to wander freely and potentially bind to ACE2 receptor in host cells where it is being expressed. At no point will a vaccinated host have high levels of free floating intact spike protein in the blood stream or lymphatic system. Ironically, this is much more likely to happen with actual infection because the cell actually ruptures.I can't speak for the "thousands", but liability protection is an important factor for me, particularly when it comes to potential long term consequences for my daughter who is only 15 and at very low risk of severe illness from COVID.
It's true that people believe what they want to believe. People that want to believe that COVID is just a flu/hoax reject death numbers as fake/unproven. People that want to believe that the vaccine is safe reject claims that deaths/miscarriages/lasting poor health are a result of the vaccine.
Is the Salk Institute just a bunch of quacks?
Pro vaccine people will clap back that there is no evidence that the spike protein from the vaccine is damaging. Why is there no evidence?
Because there hasn't been an organized study yet AFAIK. But they will just say there is no evidence that the deaths and other health issues being experienced by people post vaccine are caused by the vaccine.
And it is just an amazing coincidence that the types of health issues being reported post vaccine are quite similar to the health issues people have experienced from COVID.
Just a coincidence. No proof. Perfectly safe. Better than getting COVID.
That last one? Yes, could be true, particularly for people at risk of acute illness.
However if you are at very low risk or have already had COVID and have antibodies for same then it is an unnecessary risk. No compelling reason to rush out and get the jab.
ivermectin + wait and see = not a radical idea
It's true that people believe what they want to believe. People that want to believe that COVID is just a flu/hoax reject death numbers as fake/unproven. People that want to believe that the vaccine is safe reject claims that deaths/miscarriages/lasting poor health are a result of the vaccine.
Is the Salk Institute just a bunch of quacks?
Pro vaccine people will clap back that there is no evidence that the spike protein from the vaccine is damaging. Why is there no evidence?
Because there hasn't been an organized study yet AFAIK. But they will just say there is no evidence that the deaths and other health issues being experienced by people post vaccine are caused by the vaccine.
And it is just an amazing coincidence that the types of health issues being reported post vaccine are quite similar to the health issues people have experienced from COVID.
Just a coincidence. No proof. Perfectly safe. Better than getting COVID.
That last one? Yes, could be true, particularly for people at risk of acute illness.
However if you are at very low risk or have already had COVID and have antibodies for same then it is an unnecessary risk. No compelling reason to rush out and get the jab.
ivermectin + wait and see = not a radical idea
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Originally Posted By Beast92⏩
Reliance is the big pharma shill, not tugofpeacebump, negged tug of peace for being a shill for big pharma
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Originally Posted By lolatpaniccels⏩
I get paid per post. Love being an online rep.Reliance is the big pharma shill, not tugofpeace
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06-18-2021, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted By yewotm8⏩
Cliffs:
mRNA strands cause cells to produce covid spike protein. They were not supposed to leave the injection site, they were not supposed to enter the bloodstream, and the spike protein itself was supposed to be a harmless signature (antigen) that the immune system could use as a target for future covid infection. All of these are false, and those injected get toxic spike protein all over their body and in their blood, that their own cells are making. They fuked up making the vaccine and pushing it through so badly that people are dying. Not worth the risk whatsoever, especially since bribing the nurse to put your name in the database without injecting would probably not cost that much.
What an absolute tosser who doesn't understand basic immunology. Stopped watching at 5.21Cliffs:
mRNA strands cause cells to produce covid spike protein. They were not supposed to leave the injection site, they were not supposed to enter the bloodstream, and the spike protein itself was supposed to be a harmless signature (antigen) that the immune system could use as a target for future covid infection. All of these are false, and those injected get toxic spike protein all over their body and in their blood, that their own cells are making. They fuked up making the vaccine and pushing it through so badly that people are dying. Not worth the risk whatsoever, especially since bribing the nurse to put your name in the database without injecting would probably not cost that much.
06-18-2021, 02:04 PM
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anti-vaccinecels have come full circle and now sound like the original covid paniccels
"people are dying"
"bodies are piling up"
shut the fuk up
and i say that as someone who hasn't had a vaccine
"people are dying"
"bodies are piling up"
shut the fuk up
and i say that as someone who hasn't had a vaccine
06-18-2021, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted By DBoyDaRealest⏩
you reading and replying to the wrong thread? haven't seen any of that here. including the op's video.anti-vaccinecels have come full circle and now sound like the original covid paniccels
"people are dying"
"bodies are piling up"
shut the fuk up
and i say that as someone who hasn't had a vaccine
"people are dying"
"bodies are piling up"
shut the fuk up
and i say that as someone who hasn't had a vaccine
maybe u need your vaccine asap, boyo
06-18-2021, 03:05 PM
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#119
Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Part of it is political exclusion. The other part is to be cautious against the new delta variant spreading. We have seen some issues arise in the UK. That particular variant seems to be getting children sick more than the old strains.Right?
So why the major continuing press to increase vaccination? Particularly the vaccination of children?
Kids are half as likely to get COVID and when they do get it the symptoms are less serious. Also the old sick people that were supposed to be protected by preventing infections in school age children should be vaxxed by now if they so choose.
ETA: And if Karen is what you call someone who cares about their child's health enough to do a little research then that's the opposite of an insult.
So why the major continuing press to increase vaccination? Particularly the vaccination of children?
Kids are half as likely to get COVID and when they do get it the symptoms are less serious. Also the old sick people that were supposed to be protected by preventing infections in school age children should be vaxxed by now if they so choose.
ETA: And if Karen is what you call someone who cares about their child's health enough to do a little research then that's the opposite of an insult.
The UK is now looking at approving vaccines for those under 18 given their situation.
I call you a Karen because you're a lay person who is easily misled. You have a little half knowledge about a lot of things, and that's very dangerous.
I'm of the opinion that vaccinating the elderly and others at risk is the highest priority. Kids are low yield. It's worth doing in a country like America where we have excess vaccines. I think it is ok for doctors to push this because it can save some kids and reduce the spread. But it isn't a huge deal whether you vaccinate your kids here or not for covid. This entire debate and rage over vaccines is about 4 months later than it should have been.Nobody cares, and it's just a news cycle thing now.
It's more important you keep an eye on local case counts and adjust your behaviors accordingly.
06-18-2021, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
I don't actually believe that I am an expert. I do try to seek out information from sources that at least appear to be qualified/trustworthy and don't have any obvious incentive to push a particular POV.The spike protein is NOT being translated in the cell and then being dumped into circulation. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what is happening during vaccination on the molecular level. It is fundamentally different than infection. With vaccination, the spike protein is being translated and then most of it is degraded by proteosomes in the cell and small fragments are expressed on MHC1 and 2. A small portion of intact proteins make it to the surface and are anchored there. They are stuck to the cell membrane. Very, very few are released to wander freely and potentially bind to ACE2 receptor in host cells where it is being expressed. At no point will a vaccinated host have high levels of free floating intact spike protein in the blood stream or lymphatic system. Ironically, this is much more likely to happen with actual infection because the cell actually ruptures.
The theory that the effects being observed post vaccine are due to the spike protein is put forward by the men in the video.
Malone says that he is less worried about the vaccine [lipid concentration] with regard to potential long term autoimmune effect and more worried about the circulating spike protein, which they were not aware of before. "The developers assured us this would not happen. The literature suggested that we would not have a free spike protein. Then Harvard and Brigham did studies and lo and behold we have free spike protein post vaccination."
Kirsch says that he has been in contact with a physician who is seeing patients that did not have COVID, but did have the vaccine and are unwell. Says that the blood work for these patients looks like the blood work of patients with long haul COVID. [Dr. Bruce Patterson who specializes in long haul COVID.]
Weinstein replies that it is becoming clear to clinicians that COVID, long haul COVID, and post-vaccine syndrome are closely related because the spike protein is shared between all of these.
Malone says that is a valid working hypothesis for what is occuring.
So Malone, a guy involved in the creation of mrna vaccines, says that the spike protein was found in the blood of people who were vaccinated and that the circulation of the spike protein post vaccination is a valid working hypothesis.Weinstein replies that it is becoming clear to clinicians that COVID, long haul COVID, and post-vaccine syndrome are closely related because the spike protein is shared between all of these.
Malone says that is a valid working hypothesis for what is occuring.
It wasn't me. If people are exhibiting health effects so similar to the ones associated with covid post vaccination, and if itisn'tanything to do with the spike protein circulating, then what do you have for an alternate theory?
I don't have contacts at the FDA? Do you? I can't verify the claim that post-vaccine they are seeing people with lower platelet counts and reactivated viruses, like shingles. Pretty specific claim though, and lies are usually non-specific.
Originally Posted By wincel⏩
NYT today:Part of it is political exclusion. The other part is to be cautious against the new delta variant spreading. We have seen some issues arise in the UK. That particular variant seems to be getting children sick more than the old strains.
The UK is now looking at approving vaccines for those under 18 given their situation.
I call you a Karen because you're a lay person who is easily misled. You have a little half knowledge about a lot of things, and that's very dangerous.
I'm of the opinion that vaccinating the elderly and others at risk is the highest priority. Kids are low yield. It's worth doing in a country like America where we have excess vaccines. I think it is ok for doctors to push this because it can save some kids and reduce the spread. But it isn't a huge deal whether you vaccinate your kids here or not for covid. This entire debate and rage over vaccines is about 4 months later than it should have been.Nobody cares, and it's just a news cycle thing now.
It's more important you keep an eye on local case counts and adjust your behaviors accordingly.
The UK is now looking at approving vaccines for those under 18 given their situation.
I call you a Karen because you're a lay person who is easily misled. You have a little half knowledge about a lot of things, and that's very dangerous.
I'm of the opinion that vaccinating the elderly and others at risk is the highest priority. Kids are low yield. It's worth doing in a country like America where we have excess vaccines. I think it is ok for doctors to push this because it can save some kids and reduce the spread. But it isn't a huge deal whether you vaccinate your kids here or not for covid. This entire debate and rage over vaccines is about 4 months later than it should have been.Nobody cares, and it's just a news cycle thing now.
It's more important you keep an eye on local case counts and adjust your behaviors accordingly.
Delta does appear to be worse than most, as I described in Monday’s newsletter. It may be the worst variant yet, in terms of contagiousness and severity. Yet it also seems to be in the same broad range as the earlier ones.
Consider this data from England, where Delta is already widespread. Covid-related hospitalizations of children have risen from their lows of a few weeks ago, but the increases are not large:
The best assumption seems to be that Delta will be modestly worse for children than earlier versions of the virus. “I haven’t seen data to make me particularly worried about Delta in kids,” Jennifer Nuzzo, a Johns Hopkins epidemiologist, told me.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/18/b...and-delta.htmlConsider this data from England, where Delta is already widespread. Covid-related hospitalizations of children have risen from their lows of a few weeks ago, but the increases are not large:
The best assumption seems to be that Delta will be modestly worse for children than earlier versions of the virus. “I haven’t seen data to make me particularly worried about Delta in kids,” Jennifer Nuzzo, a Johns Hopkins epidemiologist, told me.
And I agree about watching what is happening locally.
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