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Thread: Friend had heart attack after booster, misc doctors GTFIH

post 1654194863 01-12-2022, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted By sooby⏩
politics was always going to be injected into it regardless. even more so when you have things like vaccine mandates which have sweeping effects on people's lives and when rights/freedoms come into question.

it basically boils down to two types of people on the politics side

- people who trust everything the government, govt institutions say as well as MSM
- people who completely distrust the government, refuse govt imposing on them, think everything is a conspiracy by the govt


These two camps disagree fundamentally on almost everything so it is natural that vaccines become a part of it by default. Problem is it is these two camps that dominate the conversation on each side, with I would say the MSM/Gov't side winning due to shutting down debate and them having more power to steer the conversation where ever they want it. And they can conveniently label anybody who goes against their paradigm an anti-vaxxer, even if they have been vaxxed but are just against vaccine mandates or even pointing out that vaccines carry some risks to certain population subsets.

A lot of people whose opinions lie in between get caught up in that crossfire and sort of feel the need to pick a side. A strong action on one side is going to provoke an even stronger reaction on the other side and vice versa. Everyone is basically doubling down and somewhere in all of that scientific discussion gets lost.
That's how I see it as well. With (anti-)social media adding fuel to the fire, here we are.

Even those who aren't on a "side" get thrown onto one to make it easier to pile on. Wild times.
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There is a small region in spain (over 80% vaccinated rate) that publishes heart attack numbers month by month, look at the numbers of this year compared to previous ones:



Must be that climate change thing, we should increase gas taxes.

Source:
https://www.gacetasanitaria.org/es-e...ticas-13012076
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Originally Posted By StelioK⏩
There is a small region in spain (over 80% vaccinated rate) that publishes heart attack numbers month by month, look at the numbers of this year compared to previous ones:



Must be that climate change thing, we should increase gas taxes.

Source:
https://www.gacetasanitaria.org/es-e...ticas-13012076
Maybe I'm reading it incorrectly. But the article was published in 1999 and it looks like that table represents the number of times the article was accessed or read in various formats each month. Am I misunderstanding?

This is the full text article your link provides:
https://www.gacetasanitaria.org/es-i...iculo-13012076
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Originally Posted By Titansfan08⏩
Vaxxcels reading these threads

Ha ha, you know somewhere deep inside they all feel that
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
It's not recommended practice
Depends on who you ask. For this specific shot I would ask the nurse to aspirate.



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5333604/
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Originally Posted By sooby⏩
it basically boils down to two types of people on the politics side

- people who trust everything the government, govt institutions say as well as MSM
- people who completely distrust the government, refuse govt imposing on them, think everything is a conspiracy by the govt
You really lost me on this one.

also.

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post 1654273043 01-13-2022, 02:10 PM
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Update:

Echo shows no damage. Was 99% clogged artery and heart attack. They apparently went in with catheter (whatever the fook that is) thru the forearm and stented? it. He leaves the hospital in a day, hopefully.
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Originally Posted By Joseph1990⏩
Depends on who you ask.
Oh I know there are some recommendations on YouTube. However, it isn't recommended or standard practice for a deltoid IM because it increases discomfort but doesn't offer any benefit. There are no large vessels in the area. In the mouse study, the were intentionally injecting into a vein and not accidentally into a mouse shoulder vein.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5333604/
From the article you linked

"Vaccination:
According to the Red Book 57 published by the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), there isno need of aspiration before injection of vaccinesor toxoids. Similarly, the US CDC guidelines for administration of vaccines 65 haveclear instructions not to aspiratebefore injection (for both IM and SC routes), as no large vessels exist in the recommended injection site. No recommendations were found in the Pink Book 81 from the CDC in this regard."
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What is very suspicious to me is how NO ONE wants patients taking the JNJ due to "blood clots", yet the JNJ is the only non MRNA vaccine. AKA it's not a gene editing jab. My parents got the JNJ and have been fine. That's the only jab i would even consider if i was being forced to get the jab. Thank god no one cares about us tradies lmao.
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Originally Posted By Jms89⏩
What is very suspicious to me is how NO ONE wants patients taking the JNJ due to "blood clots", yet the JNJ is the only non MRNA vaccine. AKA it's not a gene editing jab. My parents got the JNJ and have been fine. That's the only jab i would even consider if i was being forced to get the jab. Thank god no one cares about us tradies lmao.
mRNA-based vaccines don't edit DNA, either.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
From the article you linked

"Vaccination:
According to the Red Book 57 published by the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), there isno need of aspiration before injection of vaccinesor toxoids. Similarly, the US CDC guidelines for administration of vaccines 65 haveclear instructions not to aspiratebefore injection (for both IM and SC routes), as no large vessels exist in the recommended injection site. No recommendations were found in the Pink Book 81 from the CDC in this regard."


From the same study your confirmation bias cherry picked.
IM injections: Aspiration prior to injection of medication through the IM route remains a part of most guidelines 4, 35, 38– 40. Nursing curricula and guidelines 4, 38, 39 clearly recommend aspiration as an essential step in IM injection technique. Guidelines originating in the UK recommend aspiration prior to IM injection of medications 35, as well as specifically as part of the Z-track technique of administering IM injections. Training curricula for community health workers in Nigeria recommend aspiration prior to IM, SC and intradermal [ID] injections 40.
This is why I said "depends on who you ask" when you made thefalsestatement "It's not recommended practice"
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It's not recommended practice
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
mRNA-based vaccines don't edit DNA, either.
lol how can you claim this? You could say "mRNA-based vaccines have not edit DNA as far as we know.

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RIP Sagat, Hagler, etc who all got the shot then dropped dead. IDC what anyone says I dont believe in multiple coincidences just being random coincidence when it wasnt happening before.
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Originally Posted By Joseph1990⏩
From the same study your confirmation bias cherry picked.


This is why I said "depends on who you ask" when you made thefalsestatement "It's not recommended practice"

lol how can you claim this? You could say "mRNA-based vaccines have not edit DNA as far as we know.
It's because the injection site matters. These are going in the deltoid. If they were supragluteal injections, it might make more sense, and would probably be recommended, to aspirate.

Plus, we know the mRNA-based vaccines don't edit DNA.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
It's because the injection site matters. These are going in the deltoid. If they were supragluteal injections, it might make more sense, and would probably be recommended, to aspirate.

Plus, we know the mRNA-based vaccines don't edit DNA.
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Originally Posted By Joseph1990⏩
How to Get More Comfortable Being Wrong:

1. Give yourself permission to make mistakes

2. Open your mind and listen to other opinions

3. Collect yourself with a moment of self-compassion

4. Rethink your argument before you try and defend it
You could just read the articles before you link them
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Originally Posted By Joseph1990⏩
How to Get More Comfortable Being Wrong:

1. Give yourself permission to make mistakes

2. Open your mind and listen to other opinions

3. Collect yourself with a moment of self-compassion

4. Rethink your argument before you try and defend it
I suggest adding him to your ignore list, eventually he'll disappear when nobody takes his bait.
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Originally Posted By Torrr⏩
I suggest adding him to your ignore list, eventually he'll disappear when nobody takes his bait.
If facts make you uncomfortable, that's probably a good idea.
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Originally Posted By kusok⏩
Update:

Echo shows no damage. Was 99% clogged artery and heart attack. They apparently went in with catheter (whatever the fook that is) thru the forearm and stented? it. He leaves the hospital in a day, hopefully.
lmao means he was a fat fuk and they stuck a straw into the artery that was clogged to open it up.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
It's because the injection site matters. These are going in the deltoid. If they were supragluteal injections, it might make more sense, and would probably be recommended, to aspirate.

Plus, we know the mRNA-based vaccines don't edit DNA.
bitch ive 100% hit veins in my delt when injecting before.
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Originally Posted By Underwrought⏩
bitch ive 100% hit veins in my delt when injecting before.
That's unfortunate, perhaps revise your technique. Your anecdote doesn't change the fact that aspirating a deltoid IM injection is not a recommended practice.
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Originally Posted By AncientYouth⏩
i have principles..................if you don't like em i'll go get some more


you made a choice live with it and all the consequences
Newsflash: You can’t go to my daughter’s school and many jobs without the booster shot so it’s not a choice unless you want to be some homeless dude.

Just because we get bad side effects doesn’t mean you have to be mean since it’s a mandated vaccine. It’s not like the flu shot
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Originally Posted By Jms89⏩
What is very suspicious to me is how NO ONE wants patients taking the JNJ due to "blood clots", yet the JNJ is the only non MRNA vaccine. AKA it's not a gene editing jab. My parents got the JNJ and have been fine. That's the only jab i would even consider if i was being forced to get the jab. Thank god no one cares about us tradies lmao.
To be fair, the JnJ shots are pretty garbage, even before Omicron it showed close to no effectiveness in preventing infection after a certain period of time (not sure about severe illness). I wouldn't really trust JnJ as a company any more than Pfizer. They're all crooks.
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Originally Posted By DustinTheHuss⏩
Newsflash: You can’t go to my daughter’s school and many jobs without the booster shot so it’s not a choice unless you want to be some homeless dude.

Just because we get bad side effects doesn’t mean you have to be mean since it’s a mandated vaccine. It’s not like the flu shot
Keep in mind:

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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
That's unfortunate, perhaps refund your technique. Your anecdote doesn't change the fact that aspirating a deltoid IM injection is not a recommended practice.
And what does it hurt to aspirate? Literally nothing. Why are they so adamant about not aspirating?
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Originally Posted By Underwrought⏩
And what does it hurt to aspirate? Literally nothing. Why are they so adamant about not aspirating?
Have you tried it? It hurts, causes damage, and isn't necessary.
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Originally Posted By kusok⏩
Update:

Echo shows no damage. Was 99% clogged artery and heart attack. They apparently went in with catheter (whatever the fook that is) thru the forearm and stented? it. He leaves the hospital in a day, hopefully.
so it wasn't the vaccine but your friend had clogged arteries?
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Originally Posted By kusok⏩
Update:

Echo shows no damage. Was 99% clogged artery and heart attack. They apparently went in with catheter (whatever the fook that is) thru the forearm and stented? it. He leaves the hospital in a day, hopefully.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Have you tried it? It hurts, causes damage, and isn't necessary.
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Originally Posted By 5x10⏩
lmao
Wiggling a 1.5" needle around kinda sucks for the recipient. With these shot people are usually anxious enough as it is.
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