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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/h...=2&isAllowed=yAny chance you have a source for that claim?
V-Safe data come directly from recipients.
V-Safe data come directly from recipients.
https://digital.ahrq.gov/sites/defau...eport-2011.pdf
Immunization with SARS Coronavirus Vaccines Leads to Pulmonary Immunopathology on Challenge with the SARS Virus
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...ne.0035421.pdf
New Study Confirms the VAERS System is Only Reporting Approximately 1% of Anaphylaxis from COVID-19 Vaccines
April 5, 2021 by Edward Hendrie
The Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) reported that the Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) reports that occurrence of anaphylaxis from the COVID-19 Vaccines is “4.7 cases/million Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine doses administered and 2.5 cases/million Moderna vaccine doses administered, based on information through January 18, 2021.”
In a March 30, 2021 posting, the CDC reported similar statistics alleging that “[a]naphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States based on events reported to VAERS.” (bold emphasis in original)
The problem with that reports from JAMA and the CDC is that they are contradicted by another, more recent, March 8, 2021 report from JAMA. That study of Mass General Brigham (MGB) employees receiving COVID-19 vaccines, was published by the JAMA reveals that “severe reactions consistent with anaphylaxis occurred at a rate of 2.47 per 10,000 vaccinations.”
Aaron Siri and Elizabeth A. Brehma, wrote a letter on behalf of the Informed Consent Action Network (ICAN) to Dr. Rochelle P. Walensky, the Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Siri and Brehma pointed out that the MGB study reveals that the VAERS is under-reporting the accounts of anaphylaxis from the COVID-19 vaccines by a factor of between 50 and 120 times. ICAN complained that “[t]he underreporting of anaphylaxis by the CDC and VAERS is particularly troubling because it is mandatory for medical providers to report anaphylaxis after any COVID-19 vaccine to VAERS.”
The most salient point in the letter from ICAN is the revelation from the MGB study that “the rate of reporting [of COVID-19 vaccine anaphylaxis adverse reactions] still appears to be only around 0.8 to 2 percent of all cases of anaphylaxis.”
The ICAN letter goes on to point out the obvious:
This raises serious concerns regarding (1) under-reporting of other serious adverse events following COVID-19 vaccination, and (2) adverse events following other vaccines for which there has not been the same push to report adverse events. The anaphylaxis study highlights the urgency of the ongoing, well-known problem with adverse event reporting post-vaccination.
The recent MGB study confirms the previous study done by Harvard that indicated that “fewer than 1% of vaccine adverse events” are reported in the VAERS system. Thus you can take any statistic from the VAERS system and multiply it by 100 and you will have a better idea of the real number for that category of adverse events. Thus, deaths reported under VAERS would likely be subject to the same under-reporting as would anaphylaxis. As with anaphylaxis, we can expect that only 1% of all deaths from COVID-19 vaccines are being reported in the VAERS system.
For example, as of March 26, 2021, VAERS reported 50,716 adverse events from the COVID-19 vaccines, which included 1,785 deaths. Thus, according to VAERS, 3.5% of all COVID-19 adverse events were deaths.
Assuming the numbers reported in VAERS represent only 1% of the actual deaths, as of March 26, 2021, we can extrapolate that the actual number of deaths from COVID-19 vaccines would likely be 178,500. In like manner, the actual total number of adverse events from COVID-19 vaccines would likely be 5,071,600.
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Originally Posted By pondus_levo⏩
fck knows what my location has to do with taking a vax tbhTake the vax or you will die!!
Doesn't care if you die from the vax.
WUT?
Doesn't care if you die from the vax.
WUT?
03-09-2022, 10:07 AM
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This thread is going exactly as expected. Proof that low iq anti-vaxxers aren't interested in discussion or facts or the truth, they've found their truth on youtube and threads like this are made to attack anyone who disagrees with them.
03-09-2022, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
I don't post YT links, I post studies and medical journalsThis thread is going exactly as expected. Proof that low iq anti-vaxxers aren't interested in discussion or facts or the truth, they've found their truth on youtube and threads like this are made to attack anyone who disagrees with them.
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Vaxcels are officially on Putin Watch and cannot hear or see any of the joocy science coming out that shows vaccines we're harmful/less effective. Our puppet Putin showed up just in time because with the millions of "breakthrough" infections and omicron predictably bringing covid to a close after it's anticipated 2 year streak like various other pandemics, those folks needed a distraction from the truth. In maybe 6 months all the science will be settled and MSM will have overshadowed any real reporting about the vaccines with dozens of articles about Putin each day. Then when fall rolls around and seasonal flu cases tick up, people can get back on the booster bandwagon because "hospital beds are full!", Which they were due to the regular flu before the pandemic. But instead of that being a problem relating to hospitals cutting beds and staff for decades, or the poor general health of your average American making them susceptible to serious illness from common viruses, it'll be spun into "I'm doing my part by getting flu shots and covid boosters! And if you don't then hospital crowding is your fault."
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03-09-2022, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
you are welcome to fck off anytime ...........but you cannot.............because deep down .............you know...........you maybe fkdThis thread is going exactly as expected. Proof that low iq anti-vaxxers aren't interested in discussion or facts or the truth, they've found their truth on youtube and threads like this are made to attack anyone who disagrees with them.
03-09-2022, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
So what is your take on the released Pfizer documents then? Tell us what the black and white data (and grey redactions) mean.This thread is going exactly as expected. Proof that low iq anti-vaxxers aren't interested in discussion or facts or the truth, they've found their truth on youtube and threads like this are made to attack anyone who disagrees with them.
03-09-2022, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted By Paul
Can you share a link to the source of the quotes?https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/h...=2&isAllowed=y
https://digital.ahrq.gov/sites/defau...eport-2011.pdf
Immunization with SARS Coronavirus Vaccines Leads to Pulmonary Immunopathology on Challenge with the SARS Virus
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...ne.0035421.pdf
New Study Confirms the VAERS System is Only Reporting Approximately 1% of Anaphylaxis from COVID-19 Vaccines
April 5, 2021 by Edward Hendrie
The Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) reported that the Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) reports that occurrence of anaphylaxis from the COVID-19 Vaccines is “4.7 cases/million Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine doses administered and 2.5 cases/million Moderna vaccine doses administered, based on information through January 18, 2021.”
In a March 30, 2021 posting, the CDC reported similar statistics alleging that “[a]naphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States based on events reported to VAERS.” (bold emphasis in original)
The problem with that reports from JAMA and the CDC is that they are contradicted by another, more recent, March 8, 2021 report from JAMA. That study of Mass General Brigham (MGB) employees receiving COVID-19 vaccines, was published by the JAMA reveals that “severe reactions consistent with anaphylaxis occurred at a rate of 2.47 per 10,000 vaccinations.”
Aaron Siri and Elizabeth A. Brehma, wrote a letter on behalf of the Informed Consent Action Network (ICAN) to Dr. Rochelle P. Walensky, the Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Siri and Brehma pointed out that the MGB study reveals that the VAERS is under-reporting the accounts of anaphylaxis from the COVID-19 vaccines by a factor of between 50 and 120 times. ICAN complained that “[t]he underreporting of anaphylaxis by the CDC and VAERS is particularly troubling because it is mandatory for medical providers to report anaphylaxis after any COVID-19 vaccine to VAERS.”
The most salient point in the letter from ICAN is the revelation from the MGB study that “the rate of reporting [of COVID-19 vaccine anaphylaxis adverse reactions] still appears to be only around 0.8 to 2 percent of all cases of anaphylaxis.”
The ICAN letter goes on to point out the obvious:
This raises serious concerns regarding (1) under-reporting of other serious adverse events following COVID-19 vaccination, and (2) adverse events following other vaccines for which there has not been the same push to report adverse events. The anaphylaxis study highlights the urgency of the ongoing, well-known problem with adverse event reporting post-vaccination.
The recent MGB study confirms the previous study done by Harvard that indicated that “fewer than 1% of vaccine adverse events” are reported in the VAERS system. Thus you can take any statistic from the VAERS system and multiply it by 100 and you will have a better idea of the real number for that category of adverse events. Thus, deaths reported under VAERS would likely be subject to the same under-reporting as would anaphylaxis. As with anaphylaxis, we can expect that only 1% of all deaths from COVID-19 vaccines are being reported in the VAERS system.
For example, as of March 26, 2021, VAERS reported 50,716 adverse events from the COVID-19 vaccines, which included 1,785 deaths. Thus, according to VAERS, 3.5% of all COVID-19 adverse events were deaths.
Assuming the numbers reported in VAERS represent only 1% of the actual deaths, as of March 26, 2021, we can extrapolate that the actual number of deaths from COVID-19 vaccines would likely be 178,500. In like manner, the actual total number of adverse events from COVID-19 vaccines would likely be 5,071,600.
https://digital.ahrq.gov/sites/defau...eport-2011.pdf
Immunization with SARS Coronavirus Vaccines Leads to Pulmonary Immunopathology on Challenge with the SARS Virus
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...ne.0035421.pdf
New Study Confirms the VAERS System is Only Reporting Approximately 1% of Anaphylaxis from COVID-19 Vaccines
April 5, 2021 by Edward Hendrie
The Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) reported that the Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) reports that occurrence of anaphylaxis from the COVID-19 Vaccines is “4.7 cases/million Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine doses administered and 2.5 cases/million Moderna vaccine doses administered, based on information through January 18, 2021.”
In a March 30, 2021 posting, the CDC reported similar statistics alleging that “[a]naphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States based on events reported to VAERS.” (bold emphasis in original)
The problem with that reports from JAMA and the CDC is that they are contradicted by another, more recent, March 8, 2021 report from JAMA. That study of Mass General Brigham (MGB) employees receiving COVID-19 vaccines, was published by the JAMA reveals that “severe reactions consistent with anaphylaxis occurred at a rate of 2.47 per 10,000 vaccinations.”
Aaron Siri and Elizabeth A. Brehma, wrote a letter on behalf of the Informed Consent Action Network (ICAN) to Dr. Rochelle P. Walensky, the Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Siri and Brehma pointed out that the MGB study reveals that the VAERS is under-reporting the accounts of anaphylaxis from the COVID-19 vaccines by a factor of between 50 and 120 times. ICAN complained that “[t]he underreporting of anaphylaxis by the CDC and VAERS is particularly troubling because it is mandatory for medical providers to report anaphylaxis after any COVID-19 vaccine to VAERS.”
The most salient point in the letter from ICAN is the revelation from the MGB study that “the rate of reporting [of COVID-19 vaccine anaphylaxis adverse reactions] still appears to be only around 0.8 to 2 percent of all cases of anaphylaxis.”
The ICAN letter goes on to point out the obvious:
This raises serious concerns regarding (1) under-reporting of other serious adverse events following COVID-19 vaccination, and (2) adverse events following other vaccines for which there has not been the same push to report adverse events. The anaphylaxis study highlights the urgency of the ongoing, well-known problem with adverse event reporting post-vaccination.
The recent MGB study confirms the previous study done by Harvard that indicated that “fewer than 1% of vaccine adverse events” are reported in the VAERS system. Thus you can take any statistic from the VAERS system and multiply it by 100 and you will have a better idea of the real number for that category of adverse events. Thus, deaths reported under VAERS would likely be subject to the same under-reporting as would anaphylaxis. As with anaphylaxis, we can expect that only 1% of all deaths from COVID-19 vaccines are being reported in the VAERS system.
For example, as of March 26, 2021, VAERS reported 50,716 adverse events from the COVID-19 vaccines, which included 1,785 deaths. Thus, according to VAERS, 3.5% of all COVID-19 adverse events were deaths.
Assuming the numbers reported in VAERS represent only 1% of the actual deaths, as of March 26, 2021, we can extrapolate that the actual number of deaths from COVID-19 vaccines would likely be 178,500. In like manner, the actual total number of adverse events from COVID-19 vaccines would likely be 5,071,600.
The first 2 links don't support your claim. The paper is from 2012, so it's unrelated to covid vaccines.
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Originally Posted By CrookedDink⏩
LoldThanks for the vids op. I trust them more than boys who go doody on the walls.
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03-09-2022, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
That's why I linked a paper on the Covid vaccines..Can you share a link to the source of the quotes?
The first 2 links don't support your claim. The paper is from 2012, so it's unrelated to covid vaccines.
The first 2 links don't support your claim. The paper is from 2012, so it's unrelated to covid vaccines.
03-09-2022, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted By AncientYouth⏩
I too wonder why someone continues on here if they have decided that most of the posters are so awful.you are welcome to fck off anytime ...........but you cannot.............because deep down .............you know...........you maybe fkd
You hate it here? Okay, so go somewhere else.
Originally Posted By Paul
If I knew it would come up so so often I would have kept this on file, or maybe have just gotten a tattoo to save time.Vaers accounts for 1% of vaccine adverse effects/deaths.
Harvard Study of VAERS done prior to the pandemic:Adverse events [all kinds] under reported by as much as 99% [IOW only 1 case reported in 100]. This could include things as mild as a headache, slight fever, or a minor rash. Severe Adverse Events and Deaths under reported by an estimated 90%, meaning out of 10 SAEs or deaths only 1 may get reported to VAERS.
Of course I can't say for certain what percentage of effects have been unreported for the mRNA injections, however only 1 in 10 reported is the lowest estimate and a German health insurer found that among their insured 4% to 5% experience some health effect post injection that lead them to seek medial attention.
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
And this completely ignores the original point...the vaccine is not NEEDED. You can jump through all the hurdles you want to prove those things you listed but at the end of the day, it should be an option because it ain't needed. If you're old or fat, get the vaccine. Otherwise, whose gives a ****? You're still spreading it. You're still getting infected. With that knowledge now, it should be an option, nor a requirement.Same thing with me. I've posted a lot of well-argued scientifically literate information to demonstrate the vaccines were not rushed, they don't alter your DNA, you don't really have to worry about long-term effects or autoimmune conditions further down the line, opting for natural infection over a vaccine is a terrible idea, Covid just originated naturally and wasn't some grand conspiracy leaked from a lab etc.
The only response is childish name-calling and rudeness. Like I said before, when someone is hit with good science and the only real counter is to go "You go doody on the walls, lol" you kind of need to cut your losses and realize you're dealing with children who want their wacko conspiracies confirmed, not people sincerely seeking truth.
The only response is childish name-calling and rudeness. Like I said before, when someone is hit with good science and the only real counter is to go "You go doody on the walls, lol" you kind of need to cut your losses and realize you're dealing with children who want their wacko conspiracies confirmed, not people sincerely seeking truth.
03-09-2022, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted By AncientYouth⏩
Don't agree with me, then leave! Derpyou are welcome to fck off anytime ...........but you cannot.............because deep down .............you know...........you maybe fkd
And no I'm not worried in the least. I trust what the good people at John Hopkins Medical have to say over CT youtube videos.
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/heal...9-vaccine-safe
Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Of course you can't say for certain because you're talking out of your ass.I too wonder why someone continues on here if they have decided that most of the posters are so awful.
You hate it here? Okay, so go somewhere else.
If I knew it would come up so so often I would have kept this on file, or maybe have just gotten a tattoo to save time.
Harvard Study of VAERS done prior to the pandemic:Adverse events [all kinds] under reported by as much as 99% [IOW only 1 case reported in 100]. This could include things as mild as a headache, slight fever, or a minor rash. Severe Adverse Events and Deaths under reported by an estimated 90%, meaning out of 10 SAEs or deaths only 1 may get reported to VAERS.
Of course I can't say for certain what percentage of effects have been unreported for the mRNA injections, however only 1 in 10 reported is the lowest estimate and a German health insurer found that among their insured 4% to 5% experience some health effect post injection that lead them to seek medial attention.
You hate it here? Okay, so go somewhere else.
If I knew it would come up so so often I would have kept this on file, or maybe have just gotten a tattoo to save time.
Harvard Study of VAERS done prior to the pandemic:Adverse events [all kinds] under reported by as much as 99% [IOW only 1 case reported in 100]. This could include things as mild as a headache, slight fever, or a minor rash. Severe Adverse Events and Deaths under reported by an estimated 90%, meaning out of 10 SAEs or deaths only 1 may get reported to VAERS.
Of course I can't say for certain what percentage of effects have been unreported for the mRNA injections, however only 1 in 10 reported is the lowest estimate and a German health insurer found that among their insured 4% to 5% experience some health effect post injection that lead them to seek medial attention.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
April 5, 2021 by Edward HendrieIt's from 2012. Covid vaccines were not available in 2012.
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
copeDon't agree with me, then leave! Derp
And no I'm not worried in the least. I trust what the good people at John Hopkins Medical have to say over CT youtube videos.
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And no I'm not worried in the least. I trust what the good people at John Hopkins Medical have to say over CT youtube videos.
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The linkApril 5, 2021 by Edward Hendrie
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...ne.0035421.pdf
The title
Immunization with SARS Coronavirus Vaccines Leads to
Pulmonary Immunopathology on Challenge with the
SARS Virus
The dates
Received January 31, 2012; Accepted March 15, 2012; Published April 20, 2012
Can you share the source of the quotes?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I'll try this one more time..The link
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...ne.0035421.pdf
The title
Immunization with SARS Coronavirus Vaccines Leads to
Pulmonary Immunopathology on Challenge with the
SARS Virus
The dates
Received January 31, 2012; Accepted March 15, 2012; Published April 20, 2012
Can you share the source of the quotes?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...ne.0035421.pdf
The title
Immunization with SARS Coronavirus Vaccines Leads to
Pulmonary Immunopathology on Challenge with the
SARS Virus
The dates
Received January 31, 2012; Accepted March 15, 2012; Published April 20, 2012
Can you share the source of the quotes?
New Study Confirms the VAERS System is Only Reporting Approximately 1% of Anaphylaxis from COVID-19 Vaccines
April 5, 2021 by Edward Hendrie
The Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) reported that the Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) reports that occurrence of anaphylaxis from the COVID-19 Vaccines is “4.7 cases/million Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine doses administered and 2.5 cases/million Moderna vaccine doses administered, based on information through January 18, 2021.”
In a March 30, 2021 posting, the CDC reported similar statistics alleging that “[a]naphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States based on events reported to VAERS.” (bold emphasis in original)
The problem with that reports from JAMA and the CDC is that they are contradicted by another, more recent, March 8, 2021 report from JAMA. That study of Mass General Brigham (MGB) employees receiving COVID-19 vaccines, was published by the JAMA reveals that “severe reactions consistent with anaphylaxis occurred at a rate of 2.47 per 10,000 vaccinations.”
Aaron Siri and Elizabeth A. Brehma, wrote a letter on behalf of the Informed Consent Action Network (ICAN) to Dr. Rochelle P. Walensky, the Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Siri and Brehma pointed out that the MGB study reveals that the VAERS is under-reporting the accounts of anaphylaxis from the COVID-19 vaccines by a factor of between 50 and 120 times. ICAN complained that “[t]he underreporting of anaphylaxis by the CDC and VAERS is particularly troubling because it is mandatory for medical providers to report anaphylaxis after any COVID-19 vaccine to VAERS.”
The most salient point in the letter from ICAN is the revelation from the MGB study that “the rate of reporting [of COVID-19 vaccine anaphylaxis adverse reactions] still appears to be only around 0.8 to 2 percent of all cases of anaphylaxis.”
The ICAN letter goes on to point out the obvious:
This raises serious concerns regarding (1) under-reporting of other serious adverse events following COVID-19 vaccination, and (2) adverse events following other vaccines for which there has not been the same push to report adverse events. The anaphylaxis study highlights the urgency of the ongoing, well-known problem with adverse event reporting post-vaccination.
The recent MGB study confirms the previous study done by Harvard that indicated that “fewer than 1% of vaccine adverse events” are reported in the VAERS system. Thus you can take any statistic from the VAERS system and multiply it by 100 and you will have a better idea of the real number for that category of adverse events. Thus, deaths reported under VAERS would likely be subject to the same under-reporting as would anaphylaxis. As with anaphylaxis, we can expect that only 1% of all deaths from COVID-19 vaccines are being reported in the VAERS system.
For example, as of March 26, 2021, VAERS reported 50,716 adverse events from the COVID-19 vaccines, which included 1,785 deaths. Thus, according to VAERS, 3.5% of all COVID-19 adverse events were deaths.
Assuming the numbers reported in VAERS represent only 1% of the actual deaths, as of March 26, 2021, we can extrapolate that the actual number of deaths from COVID-19 vaccines would likely be 178,500. In like manner, the actual total number of adverse events from COVID-19 vaccines would likely be 5,071,600.
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
And no I'm not worried in the least. I trust what the good people at John Hopkins Medical have to say over CT youtube videos.
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/heal...9-vaccine-safe
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/heal...9-vaccine-safe
Originally Posted By EdwardTheGreat⏩
or JHU take on the data from the manufacturer?So what is your take on the released Pfizer documents then? Tell us what the black and white data (and grey redactions) mean.
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Yeah, those are the quotes. Can you share a link to the site?I'll try this one more time..
New Study Confirms the VAERS System is Only Reporting Approximately 1% of Anaphylaxis from COVID-19 Vaccines
April 5, 2021 by Edward Hendrie
The Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) reported that the Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) reports that occurrence of anaphylaxis from the COVID-19 Vaccines is “4.7 cases/million Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine doses administered and 2.5 cases/million Moderna vaccine doses administered, based on information through January 18, 2021.”
In a March 30, 2021 posting, the CDC reported similar statistics alleging that “[a]naphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States based on events reported to VAERS.” (bold emphasis in original)
The problem with that reports from JAMA and the CDC is that they are contradicted by another, more recent, March 8, 2021 report from JAMA. That study of Mass General Brigham (MGB) employees receiving COVID-19 vaccines, was published by the JAMA reveals that “severe reactions consistent with anaphylaxis occurred at a rate of 2.47 per 10,000 vaccinations.”
Aaron Siri and Elizabeth A. Brehma, wrote a letter on behalf of the Informed Consent Action Network (ICAN) to Dr. Rochelle P. Walensky, the Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Siri and Brehma pointed out that the MGB study reveals that the VAERS is under-reporting the accounts of anaphylaxis from the COVID-19 vaccines by a factor of between 50 and 120 times. ICAN complained that “[t]he underreporting of anaphylaxis by the CDC and VAERS is particularly troubling because it is mandatory for medical providers to report anaphylaxis after any COVID-19 vaccine to VAERS.”
The most salient point in the letter from ICAN is the revelation from the MGB study that “the rate of reporting [of COVID-19 vaccine anaphylaxis adverse reactions] still appears to be only around 0.8 to 2 percent of all cases of anaphylaxis.”
The ICAN letter goes on to point out the obvious:
This raises serious concerns regarding (1) under-reporting of other serious adverse events following COVID-19 vaccination, and (2) adverse events following other vaccines for which there has not been the same push to report adverse events. The anaphylaxis study highlights the urgency of the ongoing, well-known problem with adverse event reporting post-vaccination.
The recent MGB study confirms the previous study done by Harvard that indicated that “fewer than 1% of vaccine adverse events” are reported in the VAERS system. Thus you can take any statistic from the VAERS system and multiply it by 100 and you will have a better idea of the real number for that category of adverse events. Thus, deaths reported under VAERS would likely be subject to the same under-reporting as would anaphylaxis. As with anaphylaxis, we can expect that only 1% of all deaths from COVID-19 vaccines are being reported in the VAERS system.
For example, as of March 26, 2021, VAERS reported 50,716 adverse events from the COVID-19 vaccines, which included 1,785 deaths. Thus, according to VAERS, 3.5% of all COVID-19 adverse events were deaths.
Assuming the numbers reported in VAERS represent only 1% of the actual deaths, as of March 26, 2021, we can extrapolate that the actual number of deaths from COVID-19 vaccines would likely be 178,500. In like manner, the actual total number of adverse events from COVID-19 vaccines would likely be 5,071,600.
April 5, 2021
New Study Confirms the VAERS System is Only Reporting Approximately 1% of Anaphylaxis from COVID-19 Vaccines
April 5, 2021 by Edward Hendrie
The Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) reported that the Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) reports that occurrence of anaphylaxis from the COVID-19 Vaccines is “4.7 cases/million Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine doses administered and 2.5 cases/million Moderna vaccine doses administered, based on information through January 18, 2021.”
In a March 30, 2021 posting, the CDC reported similar statistics alleging that “[a]naphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States based on events reported to VAERS.” (bold emphasis in original)
The problem with that reports from JAMA and the CDC is that they are contradicted by another, more recent, March 8, 2021 report from JAMA. That study of Mass General Brigham (MGB) employees receiving COVID-19 vaccines, was published by the JAMA reveals that “severe reactions consistent with anaphylaxis occurred at a rate of 2.47 per 10,000 vaccinations.”
Aaron Siri and Elizabeth A. Brehma, wrote a letter on behalf of the Informed Consent Action Network (ICAN) to Dr. Rochelle P. Walensky, the Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Siri and Brehma pointed out that the MGB study reveals that the VAERS is under-reporting the accounts of anaphylaxis from the COVID-19 vaccines by a factor of between 50 and 120 times. ICAN complained that “[t]he underreporting of anaphylaxis by the CDC and VAERS is particularly troubling because it is mandatory for medical providers to report anaphylaxis after any COVID-19 vaccine to VAERS.”
The most salient point in the letter from ICAN is the revelation from the MGB study that “the rate of reporting [of COVID-19 vaccine anaphylaxis adverse reactions] still appears to be only around 0.8 to 2 percent of all cases of anaphylaxis.”
The ICAN letter goes on to point out the obvious:
This raises serious concerns regarding (1) under-reporting of other serious adverse events following COVID-19 vaccination, and (2) adverse events following other vaccines for which there has not been the same push to report adverse events. The anaphylaxis study highlights the urgency of the ongoing, well-known problem with adverse event reporting post-vaccination.
The recent MGB study confirms the previous study done by Harvard that indicated that “fewer than 1% of vaccine adverse events” are reported in the VAERS system. Thus you can take any statistic from the VAERS system and multiply it by 100 and you will have a better idea of the real number for that category of adverse events. Thus, deaths reported under VAERS would likely be subject to the same under-reporting as would anaphylaxis. As with anaphylaxis, we can expect that only 1% of all deaths from COVID-19 vaccines are being reported in the VAERS system.
For example, as of March 26, 2021, VAERS reported 50,716 adverse events from the COVID-19 vaccines, which included 1,785 deaths. Thus, according to VAERS, 3.5% of all COVID-19 adverse events were deaths.
Assuming the numbers reported in VAERS represent only 1% of the actual deaths, as of March 26, 2021, we can extrapolate that the actual number of deaths from COVID-19 vaccines would likely be 178,500. In like manner, the actual total number of adverse events from COVID-19 vaccines would likely be 5,071,600.
April 5, 2021
03-09-2022, 11:06 AM
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This Edward Hendrie?I'll try this one more time..
New Study Confirms the VAERS System is Only Reporting Approximately 1% of Anaphylaxis from COVID-19 Vaccines
April 5, 2021 by Edward Hendrie
New Study Confirms the VAERS System is Only Reporting Approximately 1% of Anaphylaxis from COVID-19 Vaccines
April 5, 2021 by Edward Hendrie
CLAIM: Myocarditis causes irreversible damage to the heart. Within five years of diagnosis, the death rate from myocarditis is 50%.
THE FACTS: Myocarditis, inflammation of the heart muscle, is a mild, temporary condition in the vast majority of cases, according to experts. Some social media users have been falsely claiming otherwise in recent weeks by misrepresenting the scientific literature on the condition. “Myocarditis is irreversible. Once the heart muscle is damaged, it cannot be repaired by the body,” states one widely shared ******** post. “Myocarditis has a 20% fatality rate after 2 years and a 50% fatality rate after 5 years,” it continues.The ******** post shows a screenshot of a blog post written by Edward Hendrie that included false claims about risks associated with COVID-19 vaccines.Hendrie told The Associated Press his statistics around myocarditis came from an academic article co-authored by Dr. Michael Kang, health sciences assistant clinical professor at University of California Riverside School of Medicine.Kang, contacted by the AP, said Hendrie was misrepresenting the figures used in his article, which was published in October 2017, well before the COVID-19 pandemic.It was written “as a general review of viral myocarditis and does not pertain to vaccine induced myocarditis,” Kang said. With regards to the myocarditis death rate, Kang said his article was referencing the most severe forms of myocarditis. Those numbers pertain to smaller, older studies, in which patients had extreme forms of the disease, “not what we are seeing with the covid19 vaccine,” Kang said in an email. A majority of individuals with myocarditis — about 70% — have no symptoms or mild symptoms that resolve completely, said Dr. Eric Adler, professor at the University of California San Diego School of Medicine who specializes in advanced heart failure. “The majority of myocarditis is mild and indeed reversible,” Adler said. Dr. Leslie Cooper, chair of the Mayo Clinic Department of Cardiovascular Medicine in Florida, agreed. “Myocarditis by definition is inflammation, which is usually reversible,” Cooper said. “Myocarditis can lead to ‘irreversible’ scarring but only in a minority of overall cases,” Cooper added. But Adler said there are treatment options that can help recover heart tissue even in severe cases. Very rarely, teens and young adults given the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines have experienced myocarditis. The condition has mostly affected young men and teen boys, and they tend to recover quickly. After intense scrutiny, U.S. health authorities concluded the vaccine’s benefits outweigh that small risk, the AP reported. “The facts are clear: this is an extremely rare side effect, and only an exceedingly small number of people will experience it after vaccination. Importantly, for the young people who do, most cases are mild, and individuals recover often on their own or with minimal treatment,” read a statement issued last June by top U.S. government health officials, medical organizations, laboratory and hospital associations.
https://apnews.com/article/coronavir...e78e80f85f12cbTHE FACTS: Myocarditis, inflammation of the heart muscle, is a mild, temporary condition in the vast majority of cases, according to experts. Some social media users have been falsely claiming otherwise in recent weeks by misrepresenting the scientific literature on the condition. “Myocarditis is irreversible. Once the heart muscle is damaged, it cannot be repaired by the body,” states one widely shared ******** post. “Myocarditis has a 20% fatality rate after 2 years and a 50% fatality rate after 5 years,” it continues.The ******** post shows a screenshot of a blog post written by Edward Hendrie that included false claims about risks associated with COVID-19 vaccines.Hendrie told The Associated Press his statistics around myocarditis came from an academic article co-authored by Dr. Michael Kang, health sciences assistant clinical professor at University of California Riverside School of Medicine.Kang, contacted by the AP, said Hendrie was misrepresenting the figures used in his article, which was published in October 2017, well before the COVID-19 pandemic.It was written “as a general review of viral myocarditis and does not pertain to vaccine induced myocarditis,” Kang said. With regards to the myocarditis death rate, Kang said his article was referencing the most severe forms of myocarditis. Those numbers pertain to smaller, older studies, in which patients had extreme forms of the disease, “not what we are seeing with the covid19 vaccine,” Kang said in an email. A majority of individuals with myocarditis — about 70% — have no symptoms or mild symptoms that resolve completely, said Dr. Eric Adler, professor at the University of California San Diego School of Medicine who specializes in advanced heart failure. “The majority of myocarditis is mild and indeed reversible,” Adler said. Dr. Leslie Cooper, chair of the Mayo Clinic Department of Cardiovascular Medicine in Florida, agreed. “Myocarditis by definition is inflammation, which is usually reversible,” Cooper said. “Myocarditis can lead to ‘irreversible’ scarring but only in a minority of overall cases,” Cooper added. But Adler said there are treatment options that can help recover heart tissue even in severe cases. Very rarely, teens and young adults given the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines have experienced myocarditis. The condition has mostly affected young men and teen boys, and they tend to recover quickly. After intense scrutiny, U.S. health authorities concluded the vaccine’s benefits outweigh that small risk, the AP reported. “The facts are clear: this is an extremely rare side effect, and only an exceedingly small number of people will experience it after vaccination. Importantly, for the young people who do, most cases are mild, and individuals recover often on their own or with minimal treatment,” read a statement issued last June by top U.S. government health officials, medical organizations, laboratory and hospital associations.
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
I think we are all well aware of the jabs causing both severe cases and numbers of myocarditis...that's not really a debate anymore..AP...really?
03-09-2022, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted By Paul
Just shows the quality of the guy you're hanging your hat on. Funny how every time I check up on people making claims the results are always very similar.I think we are all well aware of the jabs causing both severe cases and numbers of myocarditis...that's not really a debate anymore..
AP...really?
AP...really?
Lmao here he is touting "Dr" Mercola. Lol
https://jamesfetzer.org/2021/04/edwa...ne-recipients/
03-09-2022, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
more copeJust shows the quality of the guy you're hanging your hat on. Funny how every time I check up on people making claims the results are always very similar.
03-09-2022, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
But Hendrie was correct...I don't understand your argument..Just shows the quality of the guy you're hanging your hat on. Funny how every time I check up on people making claims the results are always very similar.
A RECENT STUDY PUBLISHED ON JANUARY 25, 2022, ON JAMA NETWORK, HAS SHOWN THAT THE RISK OF MYOCARDITIS FOLLOWING MRNA COVID VACCINATION IS AROUND 133 TIMES GREATER THAN THE BACKGROUND RISK IN THE POPULATION.
The study, conducted by researchers from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) as well as from several U.S. universities and hospitals, examined the effects of vaccination with products manufactured by Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna. The study’s authors used data obtained from the CDC’s VAERS reporting system which were cross-checked to ensure they complied with CDC’s definition of myocarditis; they also noted that given the passive nature of the VAERS system, the number of reported incidents is likely to be an underestimate of the extent of the phenomenon.
1626 cases of myocarditis were studied, and the results showed that the Pfizer-BioNTech product was most associated with higher risk, with 105.9 cases per million doses after the second vaccine shot in the 16 to 17 age group for males, and 70.7 cases per million doses after the second shot in the 12 to 15 age group for males. The 18 to 24 male age group also saw significantly higher rates of myocarditis for both Pfizer’s and Moderna’s products (52.4 and 56.3 cases per million respectively).
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/321238?s=08
03-09-2022, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted By Maestro⏩
I agree people here blow this chit out of proportion getting their info from literal blog sites. However lets not pretend there is MUCH regarding these 'vaccines' that are shady and not only dishonest but straight unknown long term consequences. Pointing to literal scammers/hoaxes of years past regarding proven vaccines is not evidence of a safety profile for this new untested mRNA tech. And if you don't believe that's fine, but pointing to religious extremism is dishonest representation of those with faith.Several months ago I told myself I wasn't going to engage in these "gotcha" threads on the misc, but sometimes they're so woefully uninformed that I feel compelled to chime in, and its okay, not everyone works in healthcare or pharmaceutical manufacturing, so they simply don't see or understand how it works or they may be coerced by people against the vaccine with an agenda....BTW the vast majority of anti-vaxxers today were the same people screeching about vaccines giving their kid autism, or believe in faith healing in which Jesus will heal their child back in 2012-2015, so this isn't new.
Oh, and who can forget this gem which was determined to be a hoax:
Oh, and who can forget this gem which was determined to be a hoax:
03-09-2022, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
Again..he was correct..can you prove otherwise?Let's just say I'm not surprised you're going to defend him and think he's 100% right. Carry on.
A RECENT STUDY PUBLISHED ON JANUARY 25, 2022, ON JAMA NETWORK, HAS SHOWN THAT THE RISK OF MYOCARDITIS FOLLOWING MRNA COVID VACCINATION IS AROUND 133 TIMES GREATER THAN THE BACKGROUND RISK IN THE POPULATION.
The study, conducted by researchers from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) as well as from several U.S. universities and hospitals, examined the effects of vaccination with products manufactured by Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna. The study’s authors used data obtained from the CDC’s VAERS reporting system which were cross-checked to ensure they complied with CDC’s definition of myocarditis; they also noted that given the passive nature of the VAERS system, the number of reported incidents is likely to be an underestimate of the extent of the phenomenon.
1626 cases of myocarditis were studied, and the results showed that the Pfizer-BioNTech product was most associated with higher risk, with 105.9 cases per million doses after the second vaccine shot in the 16 to 17 age group for males, and 70.7 cases per million doses after the second shot in the 12 to 15 age group for males. The 18 to 24 male age group also saw significantly higher rates of myocarditis for both Pfizer’s and Moderna’s products (52.4 and 56.3 cases per million respectively).
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/321238?s=08
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