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Originally Posted By ralphlaurenbrah⏩
Here's a vid I made swiping in Rome. Doesn't even compare to the girls I saw walking on the streets at all. The locals are ****ing unbelievable especially in Anzio which is a small town I visited on the southern coast. Lots of travelers there which is why there's some black girls etc. I have it set to show dudes as well because it boosts your internal rating because men are less picky and swipe right on you and then you get shown to hotter girls (srs) so that's why you'll see some dudes in the vid!
i fuking lol'd at around :25 when theres some random dude on your bumble and you swipe left hahahaha. fking what is he doing thereHere's a vid I made swiping in Rome. Doesn't even compare to the girls I saw walking on the streets at all. The locals are ****ing unbelievable especially in Anzio which is a small town I visited on the southern coast. Lots of travelers there which is why there's some black girls etc. I have it set to show dudes as well because it boosts your internal rating because men are less picky and swipe right on you and then you get shown to hotter girls (srs) so that's why you'll see some dudes in the vid!
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Originally Posted By ralphlaurenbrah⏩
dude i know just got back and he said the same thing srs.I just got back to the US (Texas) from Italy and it truly ruined me for life SRS. I can never come back here. I'm now studying Italian and plan to live there half the year and be a traveling anesthetist the other half the year to pay for it. The food is all amazing, every single woman is a fuking straight up 10/10 and fit and graceful and elegant and feminine and they all dress so ****ing hot. I banged a 19 yr old Ukranian in Rome that was fleeing the war in Kyiv (love younger girls and she was a 10/10). I can't find a wife in this country and every single nerdy dude there has a 10/10 gf/wife. The lifestyle is also so laid back you'd get bored if you weren't trying to start a family and meet a wife you wouldn't be happy outside the main cities. Anzio was the best for 10s. Literally every single girl was a ****ing supermodel.
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Originally Posted By ralphlaurenbrah⏩
Here's a vid I made swiping in Rome. Doesn't even compare to the girls I saw walking on the streets at all. The locals are ****ing unbelievable especially in Anzio which is a small town I visited on the southern coast. Lots of travelers there which is why there's some black girls etc.I have it set to show dudes as well because it boosts your internal rating because men are less picky and swipe right on you and then you get shown to hotter girls (srs) so that's why you'll see some dudes in the vid!
sure broHere's a vid I made swiping in Rome. Doesn't even compare to the girls I saw walking on the streets at all. The locals are ****ing unbelievable especially in Anzio which is a small town I visited on the southern coast. Lots of travelers there which is why there's some black girls etc.I have it set to show dudes as well because it boosts your internal rating because men are less picky and swipe right on you and then you get shown to hotter girls (srs) so that's why you'll see some dudes in the vid!
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Originally Posted By iabs⏩
yeah no.lol wrong.
The average Eurocel lives a mediocre life lacking any ambition for upwards socioeconomic mobility because guess what? the bureaucratic nightmare in their countries bury them in a mountain of fees and taxes to pay before they even get a business off the ground.
For the rest of 9-5cels it's all about coping with their idyllic lives while living paycheck to paycheck, never owning a car, owning a home is a pipedream, so it's renting a shoebox without a washing/drying machine or sometimes even AC unit.
It's a facade really, people that go take their selfie in front of the Colosseum, eat the pasta and drink the wine have no fuking clue.
The average Eurocel lives a mediocre life lacking any ambition for upwards socioeconomic mobility because guess what? the bureaucratic nightmare in their countries bury them in a mountain of fees and taxes to pay before they even get a business off the ground.
For the rest of 9-5cels it's all about coping with their idyllic lives while living paycheck to paycheck, never owning a car, owning a home is a pipedream, so it's renting a shoebox without a washing/drying machine or sometimes even AC unit.
It's a facade really, people that go take their selfie in front of the Colosseum, eat the pasta and drink the wine have no fuking clue.
In Europe you don't even need a car. Public transportation is legit, at least in the European Union.
On top of that, you can work 9-5 in Europe and still have 6 weeks paid vacation, matenity leave, paternity leave. Oh also, if a company wants to fire you they need to give you like 2 months notice at least.
it goes way deeper than that though. People seem to actually..know their neighbors and get along. And no, i'm not talking about fukking Germany.
don't be fukking ignorant
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Originally Posted By mchabs⏩
That only applies to residents citizens and a few million Syrians.yeah no.
In Europe you don't even need a car. Public transportation is legit, at least in the European Union.
On top of that, you can work 9-5 in Europe and still have 6 weeks paid vacation, matenity leave, paternity leave. Oh also, if a company wants to fire you they need to give you like 2 months notice at least.
it goes way deeper than that though. People seem to actually..know their neighbors and get along. And no, i'm not talking about fukking Germany.
don't be fukking ignorant
In Europe you don't even need a car. Public transportation is legit, at least in the European Union.
On top of that, you can work 9-5 in Europe and still have 6 weeks paid vacation, matenity leave, paternity leave. Oh also, if a company wants to fire you they need to give you like 2 months notice at least.
it goes way deeper than that though. People seem to actually..know their neighbors and get along. And no, i'm not talking about fukking Germany.
don't be fukking ignorant
Please enlighten us expats who have lived in multiple countries what marketable skills you have for which an Italian employer would want to spend possibly upto 200,000 euros on hiring you for a job pal?
Enlighten me tourist?
Just lol at being 32 and discovering traveling lol I was phukxing whores in Pattaya at 17
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Originally Posted By GeezersPalace⏩
lol.That only applies to residents citizens and a few million Syrians.
Please enlighten us expats who have lived in multiple countries what marketable skills you have for which an Italian employer would want to spend possibly upto 200,000 euros on hiring you for a job pal?
Enlighten me tourist?
Just lol at being 32 and discovering traveling lol I was phukxing whores in Pattaya at 17
Please enlighten us expats who have lived in multiple countries what marketable skills you have for which an Italian employer would want to spend possibly upto 200,000 euros on hiring you for a job pal?
Enlighten me tourist?
Just lol at being 32 and discovering traveling lol I was phukxing whores in Pattaya at 17
most of my family lives in an EU country
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Originally Posted By mchabs⏩
Do you have an EU passport?lol.
most of my family lives in an EU country
most of my family lives in an EU country
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Originally Posted By ralphlaurenbrah⏩
I'm a serious cyclist so this would be for me^.... Is it possible to ride from city to city and see decent sites within 25 miles of each other? I want to do the Netherlands via bicycle/backpack this way.. Also electric bikes are a thing if you don't mind exercising.
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Originally Posted By mchabs⏩
We’ll o home you do because if you don’t your family won’t help you get one.perhaps
You still haven’t even told us what your do for work.
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Originally Posted By GeezersPalace⏩
i sell coconuts. I cut open the coconuts and fill them with rum, then i sell them to people.We’ll o home you do because if you don’t your family won’t help you get one.
You still haven’t even told us what your do for work.
You still haven’t even told us what your do for work.
don't touch my coconut brah
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Originally Posted By MikeLowrrrey⏩
If you have never been out of the country, dont waste it on a trip to Europe. It's cool if you want a watered down relaxing trip thats not much different than heading to rural Oklahoma. You will get absolutely zero culture shock and you won't have a strong reason to explore somewhere else.Who did you go with? I've never traveled out of the country, so pardon my ignorance.
I got a decent raise and about 16 vacation days so I'm gonna apply for a passport booklet soon. I'd most likely be traveling solo.
I got a decent raise and about 16 vacation days so I'm gonna apply for a passport booklet soon. I'd most likely be traveling solo.
Go to Singapore, China, or Korea. If you really want to go hardmode then do Vietnam, Thailand, Eastern Euro ****hole, India, Nepal.
Europe is cool if you are old, married, or a woman.
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Originally Posted By iabs⏩
thislol wrong.
The average Eurocel lives a mediocre life lacking any ambition for upwards socioeconomic mobility because guess what? the bureaucratic nightmare in their countries bury them in a mountain of fees and taxes to pay before they even get a business off the ground.
For the rest of 9-5cels it's all about coping with their idyllic lives while living paycheck to paycheck, never owning a car, owning a home is a pipedream, so it's renting a shoebox without a washing/drying machine or sometimes even AC unit.
It's a facade really, people that go take their selfie in front of the Colosseum, eat the pasta and drink the wine have no fuking clue.
The average Eurocel lives a mediocre life lacking any ambition for upwards socioeconomic mobility because guess what? the bureaucratic nightmare in their countries bury them in a mountain of fees and taxes to pay before they even get a business off the ground.
For the rest of 9-5cels it's all about coping with their idyllic lives while living paycheck to paycheck, never owning a car, owning a home is a pipedream, so it's renting a shoebox without a washing/drying machine or sometimes even AC unit.
It's a facade really, people that go take their selfie in front of the Colosseum, eat the pasta and drink the wine have no fuking clue.
my best friend is half french/half american born and raised here. He goes back to France every once and awhile to visit family and complains how there's very little entrepreneurship there because of that and people in and general are fuking lazy. Brb going out to eat brb waiter takes a half hour to even come take ur order even when it's dead. Drives him crazy.
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Originally Posted By adamsz⏩
lolthis
my best friend is half french/half american born and raised here. He goes back to France every once and awhile to visit family and complains how there's very little entrepreneurship there because of that and people in and general are fuking lazy. Brb going out to eat brb waiter takes a half hour to even come take ur order even when it's dead. Drives him crazy.
my best friend is half french/half american born and raised here. He goes back to France every once and awhile to visit family and complains how there's very little entrepreneurship there because of that and people in and general are fuking lazy. Brb going out to eat brb waiter takes a half hour to even come take ur order even when it's dead. Drives him crazy.
we're not talking about France or Germany here.
we're talking about real fukking people.
The Balkans. Czechia. Poland. Hungary.
not some countries that rely on tourism.
LOL
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Originally Posted By Parkerscott⏩
lol. where have you been srs?If you have never been out of the country, dont waste it on a trip to Europe. It's cool if you want a watered down relaxing trip thats not much different than heading to rural Oklahoma. You will get absolutely zero culture shock and you won't have a strong reason to explore somewhere else.
Go to Singapore, China, or Korea. If you really want to go hardmode then do Vietnam, Thailand, Eastern Euro ****hole, India, Nepal.
Europe is cool if you are old, married, or a woman.
Go to Singapore, China, or Korea. If you really want to go hardmode then do Vietnam, Thailand, Eastern Euro ****hole, India, Nepal.
Europe is cool if you are old, married, or a woman.
I've been to Ireland and the UK and hated how many Americans I saw there. It wasn't until I got to eastern europe that I actually felt like I could get away from that
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Originally Posted By ralphlaurenbrah⏩
You can't embed a phucking web-page dude. Right click open image on new tab and you'll get a dedicated image format in the address bar. And imgur is 2010. Use this:https://imgur.com/O1A3ycn
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Hot girl I matched with my 2nd day there and am still talking to but Italy is far as **** rip. Someone fix these pics plz
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Hot girl I matched with my 2nd day there and am still talking to but Italy is far as **** rip. Someone fix these pics plz
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Nah, that guy was in Poland.aren't you the guy who claimed the 19 year old was a virgin?
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Originally Posted By mchabs⏩
Mexico, most of the U.S., China, France, Germany, Spain, Amsterdam. Probably leaving to Singapore and South Korea for two months next month. Have a good friend who has been to Croatia multiple times and when he talks about it, it sounds like the Western Euro trip we went on with him. Eastern Europe is towards the bottom of the list of places I want to visit. Would much sooner visit Turkey if I was in that area.lol. where have you been srs?
I've been to Ireland and the UK and hated how many Americans I saw there. It wasn't until I got to eastern europe that I actually felt like I could get away from that
I've been to Ireland and the UK and hated how many Americans I saw there. It wasn't until I got to eastern europe that I actually felt like I could get away from that
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Looking at the map Anzio looks like the equivalent of Long Beach or San Diego, so no surprise there'd be hot women there. Living in Italy would sure improve your chances of not being shot, stabbed, or a victim of crime in general. Even better if you can blend yourself into the culture and language. Everyone loves to beat the America and freedom drum but the stark reality is that the overall lifestyle and social climate of living here is on par for being a war torn 3rd world country when compared to the vast majority of other Westernized nations.
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Originally Posted By Condo41⏩
If I were her I'd be more worried about having married someone with such low grammar standards, good luck! P.S, congratulations on getting hitched.Honeymoon in Rome, leave this thursday for 2 weeks.
7 days in Rome
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Wife is low-key checking out Amazon-based jobs in Italy, i'll be looking at some resources as well just in case.
7 days in Rome
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Wife is low-key checking out Amazon-based jobs in Italy, i'll be looking at some resources as well just in case.
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I have been to Italy about a dozen times and my mother is from Italy. You are looking at Italy through tourist goggles. Yeah the scenery is beautiful in some places, the food is tasty and there are tons of good looking women. So what. We have that right here in the US.
You think Italy is safe - how many illegal immigrants did you see from Africa? They have been pouring into the country for years already via the Mediterranean. They are all over the place especially in train and bus stations. Italians used to say stuff about the US being dangerous but there are places in Italy that are just as dangerous as the US. There are slums in Italy too. Dont kid yourself.
A few weeks ago my Italian coworker was ranting about the immigrants in the Milano station that were harassing him and his fiance. They kept eying her engagement ring and because she was blonde (she is Czech). They were terrified they were going to be beaten and robbed.
You haven't met the mind numbing slow and inconsistant Italian bureacracy which makes American bureacracy look fast. Or the Italian worker unions which can cripple the country whenever they feel like it.
Try going shopping for things that we take for granted in the US like big screen TVs and you will be shocked at the price because of the VAT and other insane taxes. Cars and fuel are stupid expensive. You think you are going to be driving a Benz there - more like a Fiat 500 and thats if you are lucky. Mass transit is not all wet kisses and sunshine.
As for life itself and the orientation toward the family, thats typical Mediterranean culture. Italians, Greeks, Portuguese and even the French are like this. If you go to areas in the US where there are a lot of Italians, everything you said still exists. Northern Europeans are LESS like this but are not quite as bad as in the US. The US culture is descended from the English who came to the US. If you go to the UK, you will see the exact same family orientation as in the US. In my experience Americans from the deep south are more like Italians in their family orientation than Yankees in the northeast.
The Germans openly refer to Italy and most of the Mediterranean countries as 3rd world countries because compared to northern Europe, they are. They dont really have a functioning economy which is why Italy and Greece had huge problems with the banks.
You think Italy is safe - how many illegal immigrants did you see from Africa? They have been pouring into the country for years already via the Mediterranean. They are all over the place especially in train and bus stations. Italians used to say stuff about the US being dangerous but there are places in Italy that are just as dangerous as the US. There are slums in Italy too. Dont kid yourself.
A few weeks ago my Italian coworker was ranting about the immigrants in the Milano station that were harassing him and his fiance. They kept eying her engagement ring and because she was blonde (she is Czech). They were terrified they were going to be beaten and robbed.
You haven't met the mind numbing slow and inconsistant Italian bureacracy which makes American bureacracy look fast. Or the Italian worker unions which can cripple the country whenever they feel like it.
Try going shopping for things that we take for granted in the US like big screen TVs and you will be shocked at the price because of the VAT and other insane taxes. Cars and fuel are stupid expensive. You think you are going to be driving a Benz there - more like a Fiat 500 and thats if you are lucky. Mass transit is not all wet kisses and sunshine.
As for life itself and the orientation toward the family, thats typical Mediterranean culture. Italians, Greeks, Portuguese and even the French are like this. If you go to areas in the US where there are a lot of Italians, everything you said still exists. Northern Europeans are LESS like this but are not quite as bad as in the US. The US culture is descended from the English who came to the US. If you go to the UK, you will see the exact same family orientation as in the US. In my experience Americans from the deep south are more like Italians in their family orientation than Yankees in the northeast.
The Germans openly refer to Italy and most of the Mediterranean countries as 3rd world countries because compared to northern Europe, they are. They dont really have a functioning economy which is why Italy and Greece had huge problems with the banks.
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Originally Posted By p7nk⏩
They “gave” me a bracelet the harassed me trying to get money lol. I threw that chit back at him. My ole lady at the time was from Czech Republic called me a dumbass and never take anything from them. Lesson learnedhow annoying was all the africans selling **** on the street
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Originally Posted By mvitz⏩
I did notice all of the immigrant MEN. I’ve been three times and Italy is my favorite place in Europe. Out of everywhere I’ve traveled Italians were always the nicest to me. A lot of places did feel dangerous though, such a shame bc Italy is so beautiful. I’m envious of their way of living, it’s just so more relaxed than America. First time I’ve ever watched a movie on the beach granted it was in Italian and we didn’t understand a thing lolI have been to Italy about a dozen times and my mother is from Italy. You are looking at Italy through tourist goggles. Yeah the scenery is beautiful in some places, the food is tasty and there are tons of good looking women. So what. We have that right here in the US.
You think Italy is safe - how many illegal immigrants did you see from Africa? They have been pouring into the country for years already via the Mediterranean. They are all over the place especially in train and bus stations. Italians used to say stuff about the US being dangerous but there are places in Italy that are just as dangerous as the US. There are slums in Italy too. Dont kid yourself.
A few weeks ago my Italian coworker was ranting about the immigrants in the Milano station that were harassing him and his fiance. They kept eying her engagement ring and because she was blonde (she is Czech). They were terrified they were going to be beaten and robbed.
You haven't met the mind numbing slow and inconsistant Italian bureacracy which makes American bureacracy look fast. Or the Italian worker unions which can cripple the country whenever they feel like it.
Try going shopping for things that we take for granted in the US like big screen TVs and you will be shocked at the price because of the VAT and other insane taxes. Cars and fuel are stupid expensive. You think you are going to be driving a Benz there - more like a Fiat 500 and thats if you are lucky. Mass transit is not all wet kisses and sunshine.
As for life itself and the orientation toward the family, thats typical Mediterranean culture. Italians, Greeks, Portuguese and even the French are like this. If you go to areas in the US where there are a lot of Italians, everything you said still exists. Northern Europeans are LESS like this but are not quite as bad as in the US. The US culture is descended from the English who came to the US. If you go to the UK, you will see the exact same family orientation as in the US. In my experience Americans from the deep south are more like Italians in their family orientation than Yankees in the northeast.
The Germans openly refer to Italy and most of the Mediterranean countries as 3rd world countries because compared to northern Europe, they are. They dont really have a functioning economy which is why Italy and Greece had huge problems with the banks.
You think Italy is safe - how many illegal immigrants did you see from Africa? They have been pouring into the country for years already via the Mediterranean. They are all over the place especially in train and bus stations. Italians used to say stuff about the US being dangerous but there are places in Italy that are just as dangerous as the US. There are slums in Italy too. Dont kid yourself.
A few weeks ago my Italian coworker was ranting about the immigrants in the Milano station that were harassing him and his fiance. They kept eying her engagement ring and because she was blonde (she is Czech). They were terrified they were going to be beaten and robbed.
You haven't met the mind numbing slow and inconsistant Italian bureacracy which makes American bureacracy look fast. Or the Italian worker unions which can cripple the country whenever they feel like it.
Try going shopping for things that we take for granted in the US like big screen TVs and you will be shocked at the price because of the VAT and other insane taxes. Cars and fuel are stupid expensive. You think you are going to be driving a Benz there - more like a Fiat 500 and thats if you are lucky. Mass transit is not all wet kisses and sunshine.
As for life itself and the orientation toward the family, thats typical Mediterranean culture. Italians, Greeks, Portuguese and even the French are like this. If you go to areas in the US where there are a lot of Italians, everything you said still exists. Northern Europeans are LESS like this but are not quite as bad as in the US. The US culture is descended from the English who came to the US. If you go to the UK, you will see the exact same family orientation as in the US. In my experience Americans from the deep south are more like Italians in their family orientation than Yankees in the northeast.
The Germans openly refer to Italy and most of the Mediterranean countries as 3rd world countries because compared to northern Europe, they are. They dont really have a functioning economy which is why Italy and Greece had huge problems with the banks.
Also imo Germany has little room to talk…. I’ve been several times and it either felt like I was in turkey or china to put it bluntly. Less friendly people as well
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09-06-2022, 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted By ManletinAK2011⏩
Germany and all of Europe is in deep trouble because of the immigration. Germany used to be so clean you could almost eat off the streets. Northern Europe is less friendly than southern Europe. If you want friendly people in the US go to the south or middle.I did notice all of the immigrant MEN. I’ve been three times and Italy is my favorite place in Europe. Out of everywhere I’ve traveled Italians were always the nicest to me. A lot of places did feel dangerous though, such a shame bc Italy is so beautiful. I’m envious of their way of living, it’s just so more relaxed than America. First time I’ve ever watched a movie on the beach granted it was in Italian and we didn’t understand a thing lol
Also imo Germany has little room to talk…. I’ve been several times and it either felt like I was in turkey or china to put it bluntly. Less friendly people as well
Also imo Germany has little room to talk…. I’ve been several times and it either felt like I was in turkey or china to put it bluntly. Less friendly people as well
09-06-2022, 01:45 AM
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Originally Posted By mvitz⏩
This is more along the line of what I experienced after nearly a month of traveling around the country.I have been to Italy about a dozen times and my mother is from Italy. You are looking at Italy through tourist goggles. Yeah the scenery is beautiful in some places, the food is tasty and there are tons of good looking women. So what. We have that right here in the US.
You think Italy is safe - how many illegal immigrants did you see from Africa? They have been pouring into the country for years already via the Mediterranean. They are all over the place especially in train and bus stations. Italians used to say stuff about the US being dangerous but there are places in Italy that are just as dangerous as the US. There are slums in Italy too. Dont kid yourself.
A few weeks ago my Italian coworker was ranting about the immigrants in the Milano station that were harassing him and his fiance. They kept eying her engagement ring and because she was blonde (she is Czech). They were terrified they were going to be beaten and robbed.
You haven't met the mind numbing slow and inconsistant Italian bureacracy which makes American bureacracy look fast. Or the Italian worker unions which can cripple the country whenever they feel like it.
Try going shopping for things that we take for granted in the US like big screen TVs and you will be shocked at the price because of the VAT and other insane taxes. Cars and fuel are stupid expensive. You think you are going to be driving a Benz there - more like a Fiat 500 and thats if you are lucky. Mass transit is not all wet kisses and sunshine.
As for life itself and the orientation toward the family, thats typical Mediterranean culture. Italians, Greeks, Portuguese and even the French are like this. If you go to areas in the US where there are a lot of Italians, everything you said still exists. Northern Europeans are LESS like this but are not quite as bad as in the US. The US culture is descended from the English who came to the US. If you go to the UK, you will see the exact same family orientation as in the US. In my experience Americans from the deep south are more like Italians in their family orientation than Yankees in the northeast.
The Germans openly refer to Italy and most of the Mediterranean countries as 3rd world countries because compared to northern Europe, they are. They dont really have a functioning economy which is why Italy and Greece had huge problems with the banks.
You think Italy is safe - how many illegal immigrants did you see from Africa? They have been pouring into the country for years already via the Mediterranean. They are all over the place especially in train and bus stations. Italians used to say stuff about the US being dangerous but there are places in Italy that are just as dangerous as the US. There are slums in Italy too. Dont kid yourself.
A few weeks ago my Italian coworker was ranting about the immigrants in the Milano station that were harassing him and his fiance. They kept eying her engagement ring and because she was blonde (she is Czech). They were terrified they were going to be beaten and robbed.
You haven't met the mind numbing slow and inconsistant Italian bureacracy which makes American bureacracy look fast. Or the Italian worker unions which can cripple the country whenever they feel like it.
Try going shopping for things that we take for granted in the US like big screen TVs and you will be shocked at the price because of the VAT and other insane taxes. Cars and fuel are stupid expensive. You think you are going to be driving a Benz there - more like a Fiat 500 and thats if you are lucky. Mass transit is not all wet kisses and sunshine.
As for life itself and the orientation toward the family, thats typical Mediterranean culture. Italians, Greeks, Portuguese and even the French are like this. If you go to areas in the US where there are a lot of Italians, everything you said still exists. Northern Europeans are LESS like this but are not quite as bad as in the US. The US culture is descended from the English who came to the US. If you go to the UK, you will see the exact same family orientation as in the US. In my experience Americans from the deep south are more like Italians in their family orientation than Yankees in the northeast.
The Germans openly refer to Italy and most of the Mediterranean countries as 3rd world countries because compared to northern Europe, they are. They dont really have a functioning economy which is why Italy and Greece had huge problems with the banks.
Italy is beautiful, but the bad service, scams, and generally rude people made me miss the US. Imo Northern Europeans may be more distant, but they're also typically more polite.
No offense to any Italians, I plan to go back and give it another shot. Maybe I just had bad luck.
09-06-2022, 01:55 AM
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I spent a semester in Rome during college. I've been all over Northern Italy. Italy is a glorious place for its past. The art and history are unparalleled. You have Renaissance treasures and Roman ruins too. Venice is a place like nowhere else in the world. The countryside is beautiful too. I don't care that much about food but Italian pizza is obviously fantastic.
But the people are rude and the country is a mess. It's incredibly inefficient. The bureaucracy is a nightmare. It's incredibly poor in comparison to the US. It's not a third world country but it's a lot closer to one than you might think. It's easy to think the close family ties are only a good thing, but I think they are a double-edged sword. Strong families means control. In societies like that your parents and other family have much greater say in your whole life than 99% of Americans would ever be comfortable with. That way of life has huge drawbacks that might not be immediately obvious.
But the people are rude and the country is a mess. It's incredibly inefficient. The bureaucracy is a nightmare. It's incredibly poor in comparison to the US. It's not a third world country but it's a lot closer to one than you might think. It's easy to think the close family ties are only a good thing, but I think they are a double-edged sword. Strong families means control. In societies like that your parents and other family have much greater say in your whole life than 99% of Americans would ever be comfortable with. That way of life has huge drawbacks that might not be immediately obvious.
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