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post 1668866353 10-03-2022, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
That seems like an awfully loose definition of "traditional".
No worries, they’ll just change the definition of traditional. Boom, problem solved.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
1.) I didn’t say we haven’t, I said we shouldn’t
Cool. Fortunately, your opinions hold no weight on any level anywhere, and developing vaccines have always been a core part of every pandemic response plan we have devised, and have also been used successfully in pandemics in history.
Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
2.) my claim was “we had never created a successful vaccine using that technology” to which you responded “but we had been working on it for a long time”. That does nothing to refute my claim. Please feel free to post the results from when they worked on them in the past.
The underlying technology existed and has been trialled for a long time. This is a rough timeline:



Yes we had not yet created a complete-to-market mRNA vaccine yet, but how that leads to the conclusion that we shouldn't have tried to do so for COVID19, is something only a potato mind devoid of any reality can tell us.
3.) my claim was “we had never successfully created a vaccine for a coronavirus” to which you responded”
“….

OK? And due to the scale of COVID19, and the massive amounts of resources put into developing vaccines for it, we have successfully created both mRNA and non-mRNA vaccines for a coronavirus.
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
That seems like an awfully loose definition of "traditional".
When in doubt, just change the definition of words to make you sound right. Leftism 101
post 1668867353 10-03-2022, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted By isingmodel⏩
Cool. Fortunately, your opinions hold no weight on any level anywhere, and developing vaccines have always been a core part of every pandemic response plan we have devised, and have also been used successfully in pandemics in history.
It’s not just me, plenty of leading minds in the field said it was a bad idea.
The underlying technology existed and has been trialled for a long time. This is a rough timeline:



Yes we had not yet created a complete-to-market mRNA vaccine yet, but how that leads to the conclusion that we shouldn't have tried to do so for COVID19, is something only a potato mind devoid of any reality can tell us.
I didn’t say we shouldn’t try. Again your reading comprehension is absolutely terrible. In 2020 we had not developed a successful vaccine using the technology. Sure we could try, but any reasonable person would realize the odds were extremely low. Why? Because you should almost never bet on something happening for the first time. Why? Because it’s so rare. First things only happen once. Why would I expect that we had been working on the technology for so long with bad results then suddenly make it work just in time to result in billions of dollars in profits? And to make it even worse, we told the people working on it “don’t worry, if anything goes wrong we’ll make sure you can’t be held responsible”. That is a recipe that GUARANTEES shortcuts and fudged data, the opposite of what we would want when trying to produce a legit product.
OK? And due to the scale of COVID19, and the massive amounts of resources put into developing vaccines for it, we have successfully created both mRNA and non-mRNA vaccines for a coronavirus.
Lol, no we haven’t. Thanks for answering the thread question though
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1976 Flu vaccine.

Sometimes it doesn't work out quite as planned...

Regardless, coronavirus vaccines have been worked on for decades, and the latest ones weren't any better.
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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
Your “victory lap” exists in an echo chamber of scientifically illiterate miscers, not in reality. You have constructed a fictional reality in your head to cope. As has been pointed out repeatedly, vaccine skeptics have been wrong on nearly every aspect of this pandemic.

There will never come a day when health experts, past, current, or future, conclude that the vaccines were a bad idea. Ever. Your decision to not vaccinate will never be vindicated in the real world. The vaccines will be remembered as a historically great medical achievement that saved millions of lives. History text books will devote a few paragraphs to ridicule the anti C19 vax movements.
The disease is still here.

There are multiple variants. No one has been able to guess how it's going to mutate.

The vaccine didn't arrive until well into the second set of lockdowns was underway.

There were no real differences between places that high vax rates and restrictions versus those that didn't.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
It’s not just me, plenty of leading minds in the field said it was a bad idea.
No one with any credibility/empirical justification behind them, no public health agency, no one of any relevance ever said developing vaccines during the pandemic was a bad idea.
I didn’t say we shouldn’t try. Again your reading comprehension is absolutely terrible. In 2020 we had not developed a successful vaccine using the technology. Sure we could try, but any reasonable person would realize the odds were extremely low. Why? Because you should almost never bet on something happening for the first time. Why? Because it’s so rare. First things only happen once. Why would I expect that we had been working on the technology for so long with bad results then suddenly make it work just in time to result in billions of dollars in profits? And to make it even worse, we told the people working on it “don’t worry, if anything goes wrong we’ll make sure you can’t be held responsible”. That is a recipe that GUARANTEES shortcuts and fudged data, the opposite of what we would want when trying to produce a legit product.
mRNA vaccines prior to COVID19 did not have "bad results", quite the contrary. Here are some influenza mRNA vaccine phase 1 trials from before COVID19:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...64410X19305626

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5475249/
Interim results from a first-in-human, escalating-dose, phase 1 H10N8 study show very high seroconversion rates, demonstrating robust prophylactic immunity in humans. Adverse events (AEs) were mild or moderate with only a few severe and no serious events. These data show that LNP-formulated, modified mRNA vaccines can induce protective immunogenicity with acceptable tolerability profiles.
There simply was a miniscule fraction of the resources available to develop these vaccines previously. With COVID19, the largest scale pandemic since the Spanish Flu, we had a blank cheque from global governments to test and develop them and so were able to get them to market at scale rapidly. You obviously would not know any of this because, like everyone else with your opinion, you are uneducated and uninformed on every aspect of the topic.
Lol, no we haven’t.
And also, living in diametric opposition to observable reality. Sad, but many such cases.
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Phase 1 trials.

Bravo.
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Which one of you *******s is going to take the mouse vaccine? Just lol
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Originally Posted By isingmodel⏩
Bizarre that you've shifted the conversation from vaccine efficacy to lockdowns/mandates in some Vietnamese city.

As Reliance pointed out, there will never be any point in time where anyone - public health experts, doctors, economists, general - anyone other than scientifically illiterate retards on a bodybuilding forum, broadly conclude that vaccines were a bad idea, harmful, a net negative, or generally not worth doing. This reality only exists in the minds of idiots on places like this, not anywhere out in the world.
If you were a healthy individual, the vaccine wasn't needed. If you already had the Rona, it wasn't needed.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
If you were a healthy individual, the vaccine wasn't needed. If you already had the Rona, it wasn't needed.
Oh look, an anti-vaxxer spewing bullchit with no sources to back up his claims. Shocker
post 1668880153 10-03-2022, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
Oh look, an anti-vaxxer spewing bullchit with no sources to back up his claims. Shocker
But you were spewing bullchit when you were telling everyone to get the vax to stop the spread of the virus.
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post 1668881323 10-03-2022, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted By tunejunkie⏩
It’s 2022 and 2.5 years into the pandemic and you still need sources for this particularinfo? This is so widely known it isn’t even debatable
It's not debatable because it's false. I could post story after story of healthy, young people who died from covid and you'd still spew this bullchit. I'll pass.
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Originally Posted By saltypits⏩
1976 Flu vaccine.

Sometimes it doesn't work out quite as planned...

Regardless, coronavirus vaccines have been worked on for decades, and the latest ones weren't any better.
Coronavirus vaccines have never been successful, wtf are you talking about?
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
It's not debatable because it's false. I could post story after story of healthy, young people who died from covid and you'd still spew this bullchit. I'll pass.
It’s not false at all chief. Exceptions are not the rule my guy.
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Originally Posted By tunejunkie⏩
Exceptions are not the rule my guy
Maybe you should tell Dave to stop making false, absolute claims like this:
Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
If you were a healthy individual, the vaccine wasn't needed. If you already had the Rona, it wasn't needed.
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
Maybe you should tell Dave to stop making false, absolute claims like this:
It’s not a false claim. It’s truth. Data from literally everywhere backs this. It’s insane that it’s 2022 and we still have to explain this to you. It’s widely known by all
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
Oh look, an anti-vaxxer spewing bullchit with no sources to back up his claims. Shocker
Quick Patricia, bring up Bill Phillips again to prove your point......

I'm never getting the jab Patty, and I'm keeping my job. Your worthless ass believed I should be fired for refusing the jab, that a business should be sued if an unvaccinated employee gave a customer the Rona.

Imagine being so ignorant in your 50s.
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
Maybe you should tell Dave to stop making false, absolute claims like this:
80% of those who died with the Rona were obese, and had numerous pre-exisiting conditions. That's a fact.

So we had to shutdown because of weak, obese, frail individuals like yourself.
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
Maybe you should tell Dave to stop making false, absolute claims like this:
Umm..what he said is absolutely true..natural antibodies last years..you do realize this..right?
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Originally Posted By Paul
Umm..what he said is absolutely true..natural antibodies last years..you do realize this..right?
The latest vaxxcell retardation is lying and saying natural immunity only lasts weeks. No data. Not even a junk study. Just making chit up on that one.

I think it's because we see with our own eyes people mutli-jabbed and boosted getting covid over and over, and they then attribute the failure to natural immunity. As if that is the problem.
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
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You fruits kill me with your constant queefing about "Teh Science!" Yet not a single one of you ever want to discuss why your virus seems so selective in who it infected lol.

So I'll ask again.. Where was your science during 2020's summer of love? Remember now, this was pre-vaccine right when covid was supposedly at its deadliest?

And also remember how before that it was a racist virus that was killing all the black people...

The Disproportional Impact of COVID-19 on African Americans
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7762908/

COVID-19 Is Crushing Black Communities
https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/researc...ying-attention

(HINT: A virus DGAF who it infects or why)

(Trust the science bro)
Your inability to distinguish between the the media and health agencies has you blaming the wrong entities. To my knowledge, the CDC never made any broad hypocritical statements regarding viral transmission (or a lack thereof) during social justice protests vs say, Trump protests. If you can find contradictory recommendations/statements then yes, the hypocrisy should be condemned and I’ll do it with you. But I’m not aware of that happening.

Headlines like “ Over 1,000 health professionals sign a letter…” had people screaming hypocrisy at the CDC. But that letter didn’t represent the CDC or the scientific consensus. That number might be <1% of medical experts. And with the BLM letter that was propagated by the media, it wasn’t health professionals, it was “public health advocates” and it had no educational standard to sign it.

The disproportionate impact on black Americans is well established. It’s not that the virus is “racist,” it’s that preexisting sociodemographic characteristics caused increased vulnerability.
"Seen in the light of evolution, biology is, perhaps, intellectually the most satisfying and inspiring science. Without that light it becomes a pile of sundry facts -- some of them interesting or curious but making no meaningful picture as a whole."
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Everyone with an even moderate understanding of the mechanisms of vaccination since vaccines became a thing - “you shouldn’t roll out vaccines in the middle of a pandemic”.



Suddenly in 2020 - “vaccinate everyone in the middle of a pandemic for a type of virus we’ve never successfully made a vaccine for using a technology we’ve never successfully made a vaccine with”
And who told you that? Geert Bossche during a podcast? Frightening how impressionable you people are.
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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
And who told you that? Geert Bossche during a podcast? Frightening how impressionable you people are.
I posted how long vaccines take to release to market with all the trials..and you REEEEE.

Maybe try not being so transparent & disingenuous for once in your life, hey bud.
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Originally Posted By Paul
I posted how long vaccines take to release to market with all the trials..and you REEEEE.

Maybe try not being so transparent & disingenuous for once in your life, hey bud.
And you don’t think I’m aware of that information? Everyone on both sides understands that these vaccines went from inception to market faster than previous vaccines. What conclusion are you trying to draw?
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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
Your inability to distinguish between the the media and health agencies has you blaming the wrong entities. To my knowledge, the CDC never made any broad hypocritical statements regarding viral transmission (or a lack thereof) during social justice protests vs say, Trump protests. If you can find contradictory recommendations/statements then yes, the hypocrisy should be condemned and I’ll do it with you. But I’m not aware of that happening.

Headlines like “ Over 1,000 health professionals sign a letter…” had people screaming hypocrisy at the CDC. But that letter didn’t represent the CDC or the scientific consensus. That number might be <1% of medical experts. And with the BLM letter that was propagated by the media, it wasn’t health professionals, it was “public health advocates” and it had no educational standard to sign it.

The disproportionate impact on black Americans is well established. It’s not that the virus is “racist,” it’s that preexisting sociodemographic characteristics caused increased vulnerability.
African Americans were affected the most, because in the US, they're the most obese, unhealthy demographic in the country. Stats back it up.
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
The latest vaxxcell retardation is lying and saying natural immunity only lasts weeks. No data. Not even a junk study. Just making chit up on that one.

I think it's because we see with our own eyes people mutli-jabbed and boosted getting covid over and over, and they then attribute the failure to natural immunity. As if that is the problem.
They acknowledged this early on even..

Immunity to the Coronavirus May Last Years, New Data Hint
Blood samples from recovered patients suggest a powerful, long-lasting immune response, researchers reported.

(Published 2020)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/search/...ch-news/12021/

meanwhile..

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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
And you don’t think I’m aware of that information? Everyone on both sides understands that these vaccines went from inception to market faster than previous vaccines. What conclusion are you trying to draw?
That they pulled the placebo group for a very good reason..

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Originally Posted By tunejunkie⏩
It’s not false at all chief. Exceptions are not the rule my guy.
It's false. And I'm not your guy. ****g0t.



Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
The latest vaxxcell retardation is lying and saying natural immunity only lasts weeks. No data. Not even a junk study. Just making chit up on that one.

I think it's because we see with our own eyes people mutli-jabbed and boosted getting covid over and over, and they then attribute the failure to natural immunity. As if that is the problem.
This is another perfect example of an anti-vaxxer simply making chit up. Just say whatever the fuk you want and pretend it's factual. Sources be damned.
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