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Thread: But who determines what is Disinformation?

post 1678710283 03-10-2023, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
and?
Socialism is pretty far left, no?
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
I am questionable on having safety labels required on products - the government should not be protecting us from ourselves


here is how it should go

CT: the earth is flat
Gov: no direct response but NASA continues to post pictures from space
Nah. Warning labels are fine because it is a sold product. Also, the warnings aren't forced by the govt. They are there at the company's direction to avoid liability. It is the government's job to regulate and make sure people aren't selling bleach as a kids' drink and murdering them though. That's the point.

Like the whole vape thing. Some of those are clearly made to be attractive to kids, and that is fuked up.
post 1678710413 03-10-2023, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Socialism is pretty far left, no?
ok and? what about it in regards to 1984?
post 1678710493 03-10-2023, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted By TaiMaiSchutze⏩
Nah. Warning labels are fine because it is a sold product. Also, the warnings aren't forced by the govt. They are there at the company's direction to avoid liability.
Warning labels area mandated by the government.

and it is not fine, they shouldn't get getting involved in sold products either
post 1678710603 03-10-2023, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
ok and? what about it in regards to 1984?
It was a critique of Stalin and/or Stalin-esque authoritarianism.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Socialism is pretty far left, no?
So what does that make 1984?
The Era of Great Noticing has begun.
Modern liberalism is morally bankrupt and demonic.
Right wing politics is the new counter-culture.
Wincel: "I'm saying even the govt of China, while brutal at times, is NOT our enemy. Period."
Has Beowulf10 ever experienced true love? Where did he go?
Education is humanity's key to salvation.
The 2nd Cold War has begun.
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
Warning labels area mandated by the government.

and it is not fine, they shouldn't get getting involved in sold products either
Ok well it isn't in the govt's interest to let retarded people accidentally kill themselves doing stupid chit. It's the same reason we inspect beef and require products to have a certain quality. Consumer protection is a thing. If you want to live in an unregulated dystopian paradise where kids are free to kill themselves with products, move to ****lia or something.

None of this is about warning labels. This discussion is about giving the govt the power to censor what it thinks is disinformation.
post 1678710753 03-10-2023, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted By XterraRob⏩
So what does that make 1984?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
It was a critique of Stalin and/or Stalin-esque authoritarianism.
post 1678710793 03-10-2023, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
Warning labels area mandated by the government.

and it is not fine, they shouldn't get getting involved in sold products either
I don’t know about that. I’m a big fan of knowing what’s in the product I’m buying.
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It's ok for Twitter to put a label fact checking what it thinks is bs. It's not ok for Twitter to shadowban or derank stuff because the govt asked them to. There's a pretty simple line here. I'm ok with it saying "THIS MIGHT BE RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA BRO". It's like how youtube labels CGTN and other news as partially funded by x government. That's fine. But don't hide it. Providing supplementary info is ok. Removing info is not.
post 1678710863 03-10-2023, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
I am questionable on having safety labels required on products - the government should not be protecting us from ourselves


here is how it should go

CT: the earth is flat
Gov: no direct response but NASA continues to post pictures from space
I respect that and can't really argue against it but feel like it's a "be careful what you ask for" situation that given our realities could likely be overall worse than what we have now.
post 1678710873 03-10-2023, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
It was a critique of Stalin and/or Stalin-esque authoritarianism.
ok and what does that have to do with me saying the government controlling information is reminiscent of 1984?
Originally Posted By TaiMaiSchutze⏩
Ok well it isn't in the govt's interest to let retarded people accidentally kill themselves doing stupid chit.
this is a problematic statement right here - the government should not have an interest
Originally Posted By TaiMaiSchutze⏩
It's the same reason we inspect beef and require products to have a certain quality. Consumer protection is a thing. If you want to live in an unregulated dystopian paradise where kids are free to kill themselves with products, move to ****lia or something.

None of this is about warning labels. This discussion is about giving the govt the power to censor what it thinks is disinformation.
I don't have to, I get a fair amount of stuff from unregulated markets. Buy meat and dairy straight from farms and there have been times we have used the barter system.

Don't get pissy cause you were wrong
post 1678710933 03-10-2023, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted By Seatard⏩
I respect that and can't really argue against it but feel like it's a "be careful what you ask for" situation that given our realities could likely be worse than what we have now.
I'll take that worse than this current
post 1678711003 03-10-2023, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
I don’t know about that. I’m a big fan of knowing what’s in the product I’m buying.
Right and there is a HUGE portion of the cosumer base that would agree with you and if large enough, companies will do it on their own.
post 1678711083 03-10-2023, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
ok and what does that have to do with me saying the government controlling information is reminiscent of 1984?



this is a problematic statement right here - the government should not have an interest



I don't have to, I get a fair amount of stuff from unregulated markets. Buy meat and dairy straight from farms and there have been times we have used the barter system.

Don't get pissy cause you were wrong
The govt shouldn't have an interest in keeping ppl alive? LMFAO ROPE.

Hey good for you. The govt caters to more than just you, asshoel. Imagine if chemical companies didn't have to label their chit with MSDS. Do you even think ****0t?

I'm saying the labels are a good thing. Stop fuking whining about it. Jesus Christ.
post 1678711143 03-10-2023, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted By TaiMaiSchutze⏩
The govt shouldn't have an interest in keeping ppl alive? LMFAO ROPE.

Hey good for you. The govt caters to more than just you, asshoel. Imagine if chemical companies didn't have to label their chit with MSDS. Do you even think ****0t?
No why is it the governments responsibility to keep people alive other than it's own self interest? That's the only reason they care.

You know chemical companies pushed for the MSDS, right? They wanted it and wanted it standardized but were doing it before it was mandated.
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Originally Posted By TaiMaiSchutze⏩
None of this is about warning labels. This discussion is about giving the govt the power to censor what it thinks is disinformation.
I find it a relevant comparison.

Warning labels = power to censor (marketing) disinformation or control the absence of accurate information.
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
Right and there is a HUGE portion of the cosumer base that would agree with you and if large enough, companies will do it on their own.
Hey you know what's cool? We already had this experiment. A bunch of people died and that is why consumer safety laws were passed. Glad we cleared that up. Now fuk off.
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Originally Posted By Seatard⏩
I find it a relevant comparison.

Warning labels = power to censor (marketing) disinformation or control the absence of accurate information.
Nah. Warning labels simply supply new info. See my point. Twitter should label stuff with fact checked info if they want. They should not derank or hide anything at the behest of the govt. There is a difference.

Like they could put a thing next to Alex Jones saying warning this guy is a dumbass who has been sued for bullchitting and he's wrong because blah blah.
post 1678711373 03-10-2023, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted By TaiMaiSchutze⏩
Hey you know what's cool? We already had this experiment. A bunch of people died and that is why consumer safety laws were passed. Glad we cleared that up. Now fuk off.
we've had this experiment more than once because comsumer safety laws fall under a lot of different departments and haven't been added at different times.

As such - don't have to give the amounts of ingredients in supplements.

Some helped save lives, sure. Doesn't mean it isn't government overreach
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
we've had this experiment more than once because comsumer safety laws fall under a lot of different departments and haven't been added at different times.

As such - don't have to give the amounts of ingredients in supplements.

Some helped save lives, sure. Doesn't mean it isn't government overreach
Sure and if u have a specific issue with a specific requirement make a different thread and bitch. To target all warning labels indiscriminately is frankly insane. People would be burning down their houses left and right.
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Originally Posted By TaiMaiSchutze⏩
Sure and if u have a specific issue with a specific requirement make a different thread and bitch. To target all warning labels indiscriminately is frankly insane. People would be burning down their houses left and right.
the world outside dad's basement is scare-wy, I need the big strong government to protect me from doing something stupid
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
the world outside dad's basement is scare-wy, I need the big strong government to protect me from doing something stupid
I need it to protect retards like you from killing your kid. If it didn't warn you, you'd just carelessly let your kid die doing something stupid. Because you're uneducated.
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Originally Posted By TaiMaiSchutze⏩
I need it to protect retards like you from killing your kid. If it didn't warn you, you'd just carelessly let your kid die doing something stupid. Because you're uneducated.
lets be real. you really don't care about his kids.
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Originally Posted By TaiMaiSchutze⏩
I need it to protect retards like you from killing your kid. If it didn't warn you, you'd just carelessly let your kid die doing something stupid. Because you're uneducated.
and that would be on me and my kid - and for literally millions of years, that's the way it was.

thanks to the government I can't play jarts with my kid


OH WAIT - yes I can cause I own an original set and we still haven't died after all these years
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
and that would be on me and my kid - and for literally millions of years, that's the way it was.

thanks to the government I can't play jarts with my kid


OH WAIT - yes I can cause I own an original set and we still haven't died after all these years
Yea ok we don't do that. Again, we have consumer protection laws and most people aren't as retarded as you to think it's a good idea to remove them. Please make a different thread if you want to debate that.

WTF is jarts? some groomer bs? freak

Part of the reason child mortality is down compared to the 30's is all the safety laws. So again if you want that society, move to ****lia and enjoy your newfound freedom. Every developed nation has consumer protection laws and they aren't going anywhere.
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Originally Posted By TaiMaiSchutze⏩
Yea ok we don't do that. Again, we have consumer protection laws and most people aren't as retarded as you to think it's a good idea to remove them. Please make a different thread if you want to debate that.

WTF is jarts? some groomer bs? freak
I love how it went from warning labels are not government mandated to we have these laws for a reason and it is the best reason in the world in like ten posts.

jarts, lawn darts. It's an outdoors game so you wouldn't understand
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Originally Posted By NKWulf⏩
lets be real. you really don't care about his kids.
I care about humanity in general. I don't really care about his kids, no.
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
ok and what does that have to do with me saying the government controlling information is reminiscent of 1984?
I'd say it's not only Dem's who do it or want to do it.
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Originally Posted By TaiMaiSchutze⏩
I care about humanity in general. I don't really care about his kids, no.
no one is buying that either.

I mean christ in this thread you told me to rope because my opinion is different than yours.

Now I know what you'll say, that is not so bad because weaning people like me out of the population is a good thing - but that is all I am saying regarding protecting people from themselves.
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