The average man has no problem - the ones that do aren't even close to average, they just think they are. It's the same logic where an incel will get upset he can't date a girl who's even a 6 when he's actually a 3 with a terrible personality. There's a lot of guys (examples on here are all over the place) that no woman would even want to spend time with at all, especially alone because of their attitude and approach to life.

Lots of men need to take a really subjective look at themselves and the women they are going after.

Although I get what you’re saying, I disagree that the average man is not having a harder time of it.

But you are right that the most vocal complainers are almost always below average men.

misogyny isn’t the issue here. It’s actually the opposite; misandry

There is a clear attack on men in general. All this toxic masculinity BS they spew on and on about when the real problem is toxic femininity

Modern feminism IS toxic. True, genuine feminism was needed at one point in history and did serve a purpose, yes. But it’s completely and utterly unnecessary in today’s world. At least in the western world…

It’s literally a fkin joke for women to act like they’re still oppressed

And you know who’s to blame? The far left. They’re godless and everything they stand for and push these days is toxic, degenerate garbage that is contributing directly to the decline of the current state of society

The alphabet community is TOXIC. That’s another one… They’re part of the far left too. They push nothing but degenerate bullchit

And you wanna know who some of the biggest supporters are of all this chit? WOMEN

How many women these days are out here slooting around and selling ass on OF from the comfort of their home?

Bruh no self-respecting man worthwhile wants some wh0re like that

The far left and all their agendas are responsible for infecting and essentially poisoning a lot of the women these days

idk brahs.

one thing i think is interesting i may have gleaned from the thread. would be interesting to know the % of women that have had sex for money. i'd consider that even if somebody is "rich", or "has a good job" or "lives in a nice area of town" as well.

buttttt.. i truly think women are more affected by this. as in, this is going to blow up in their face

if you say a 50 year old man will be single and get to bang randoms, i think he's far more fine than a 50 year old woman growing old banging randoms. i truly think the women are the ones missing out on what they want

Pretty much. I can't seem to even muster the motivation to put any effort into pursuing women these days. I'm not a eunuch, so yeah ideally I'd like to be banging some, but...I'm not really interested in putting in the effort and dealing with female BS. I like to just chill and do my own thing in my free time, wasting time and money "dating"/meeting/etc. just isn't very appealing. Add in all of the other shyt on top of it (inflated standards, etc.) and...

Females throughout nature favor effective males. To deliver effective benefits to women, you need two basic things: (1) the ability to be effective at life, based on having effective traits, and (2) the willingness to use those effective traits to do effective things and supply to females the benefits that they need for their own reproductive success.

In biology, effectiveness is called fitness—your statistical tendency across the whole breeding pool to survive and reproduce successfully because your adaptations fit the challenges of your environment. The relationship between fitness and survival creates a deep asymmetry in nature.

It’s why, for women, it’s even more important to be sexually disgusted by ineffectiveness than to be sexually attracted to effectiveness. Effectiveness requires a lot—thousands of genes, hundreds of adaptations, dozens of organs, and millions of neurons working together in awesomely intricate ways to produce sustained, adaptive behavior. But there are an infinite number of ways to be ineffective as a male animal, from being spontaneously aborted as a blastocyst to losing competitions to rivals, and literally every point in between. Our goal is to teach you how to be as effective as possible in as many domains as possible so that more women will find you more attractive.

Consider the best comeback ever in the history of fictional male-male competition, from The Avengers:

Captain America: “Big man in a suit of armor. Take that away and what are you?”
Tony Stark/Iron Man: “Genius, billionaire, playboy, philanthropist.”

Our point here is that you don’t need to become Tony Stark/Iron Man to find your own personal Pepper Potts. You just need to be effective—in all the main domains of life: health, family, friends, work, play, and knowledge—because that is what women want in their men. If you can become effective at these things, you will be attractive to women.

Life effectiveness reflects biological fitness, so it’s attractive to women. But for most guys, trying to increase effectiveness is less effective than reducing ineffectiveness.

Huh?

Think of it like baseball: the best way to help your team win isn’t to practice hitting 400–foot home runs every day; it’s to get better at not striking out all the time. It’s the same way with mating. First, stop sucking. That gets you in the game. Then, work on being awesome. That wins the game.

Effectiveness is sexually attractive to most women most of the time, but ineffectiveness is sexually disgusting to all women all of the time.

This

Was with a girl for 18 yrs ,we both made mistakes ,ended 2010

Dated 3 diff women between 2010 and 2018

Caught all 3 of them fkn a guy at work

Haven't been on a date in prob 4 years

I want nothing to do with a woman with. Phone full of "friends "


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ok i can agree with this

but where is the bit on what women provide lol?

nowadays, its like what you just mentioned. but the "prize" is a woman with 50 partners and 7 "long term" relationships

that whole schpiel was a whole lot about what men provide, but what do women provide?

even further, if a man provides that then his prize is... a woman whos shared it with everybody else?

There's stats from Tinder that say otherwise

This is so true that it's mind blowing....

Even conservative women I know IRL think abortion should be 100% embraced as an empowering social tool.... It's mind blowing to me.

Why so many of you idiots get this backwards.

Lonely men turn to these things AFTER they are rejected and lonely. Not before.

And if we didnt have porn and video games to give these rejected men something to do we'd be in even more serious trouble than we already are. Because so many people like much of the misc STILL refuses to acknowledge whats going on and instead just tells incels to 'just be confident bro'.

This trend isnt going to change. And we need to do something about it fast or we're toast. Some immediate steps we need to do right now include immediate destigmatization of

- Going abroad to find romantic success
- Fully legalized and destigmatized prostitution (both worker and consumer)
- An encouragement of and promotion of male spaces
- A campaign to raise the perceived status of trades in tandem with an outreach program to bring men into trade schools (think Rosie the Riveter for men)
- Massive funding for "men's mental health crisis centers"
- Teaching men "mental hygiene" from a very young age (and *specific to men*) so they recognized when they get caught in negative echo chambers and thought patterns that exacerbate rather than help their situations

That's for starters.

Basically, it boils down to a combination of providing men purpose (which they currently have none) and motivation (which they also have none).

Men in the west are in a similar position that men were in during the late Roman Empire when the west fell.

There was no more "why" for most Roman men. The aristocracy had just become a cycle of corrupt thieves that continuously murdered each other, the currency was utterly devalued, and they were fighting amongst themselves (pagans vs christians / west vs east) constantly over "which dogma is correct"

Then, when barbarians came in to sack Rome (again and again) nobody gave a flying ****, because why would they lift a finger for this place?

You either dont know what average is when you see it, or are in denial.

You can very easily find countless average but "not ugly" guys who literally never get any attention from women, much less a girlfriend. They have no hope and clearly have given up. These include guys with good jobs and are in shape or whatever. average by any measure and above in some. No attention.

As for women, you can just as easily find absolutely dumpy women with active dating lives. It's rare to meet a "single" woman and if she is, almost regardless of her appearance, if she is *remotely* within the "fuarkable" range, she will be getting hit up for dates.

No man who is merely "not hideous" is getting this treatment. Only women.

you have the human body.. the way its designed after - lets just say hundreds of thousands of years - and then you change something biologically functional like what our body produces during and after sex: bc and abortion.

its literally like the equivalent of chopping off our hands and seeing how humanity would be altered

blocking pregnancy from naturally occurring is the same effect imo. no, sex is not as important as survival so the hands are a bit more important, but i just want to point out the biological functioning that is being altered and not expecting dramatic changes

the body is designed a certain way... then altered

why is this so complicated. top men are sharing women together. the men know its not a relationship with any of them so they say 'single'. Women in delusion say 'taken'

5 and below men should really not even bother trying anymore. the overseas option is their best bet

repped.

I don’t think this is wholly accurate nor entirely true of the modern world.

Loads of women partner up with useless ass ineffective males who, on balance, probably make their lives worse. Furthermore, there are a lot of effective males that don’t get women. For example, a lot of incels have quite good careers in IT and are not short on resources.

What is more accurate, IMO, is that women are attracted to high status markers/behaviour.

For example, the loser men that women often partner up with usually display high-status behaviour, e.g. confidence, charisma, easy going, etc. The men who women avoid like the plague (despite their decent resources and work place success) often display low-status behaviour, e.g. shy, quiet, anxious, etc.

In short, a problem with the modern world is that you can be something of a complete fuk-up but still behave confidently, and you can also be successful but be shy, reserved, self-critical, etc.

Ultimately women respond to the outward signs, i.e. the trappings, of high status.

Your ‘effectiveness’ analysis is more relevant to a time when behaviour was more congruent with one’s station.

cliffs: women fuk hot guys or men with lots of money. more at noon.

It has nothing to do with anything else. hot guys, and/or men with money.

you need to pass an ever rising looks threshold OR have the money to compensate. or you will get zero.

Just to be clear, the average man in America is like 5'9 and 200lbs. The average man is getting nothing lol.

You say that until you haven't been laid in years.

The fact that even those women are picky says it all

I work in IT, have a great job, have a good college education, have good hygiene, wear good clothes and have a good haircut, and I used to always go out and shoot my shot when it came to women.

I had zero success. Now there's a dude in my High School who dropped out, smokes cigs everyday, smells like chit, often doesn't shower, has a disgusting mullet, dresses like a homeless person, and eats junk all the time and he gets women ALL THE TIME.

It's literally all about looks, height, and race. He's 6'2 and white and his face is better looking than mine.

Women DO NOT care about your career or life habits or personality in 2023. They only care about Looks and Height.

True, even 2/10 and 3/10 obese women will only sleep with guys 6/10 and above.

And I don't blame them. If your an ugly 2/10 obese women, why would you fuk some 4/10 dude when some 6/10 dude on Tinder is willing to fuk you occassionally and treat you like nothing but a hole.

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Spoiler!

2/10 women are not getting 6/10 men. This is incel cope. I work in a college area, and I see women like that alone and they get very little to no male attention. And when they are with someone, it's almost always a guy at the same looks level.

You don't live in reality, which is to be expected from someone who makes hundreds of alts on a forum in order to ban evade. And you're delusional, you think taking a shower and getting a haircut is something special.

Dude you're cofusing relationships for hookups. Yes... 6/10 men are not DATING 2/10 women. They wouldn't wanna be seen in public with a 2/10 women. That's why you don't see a 2/10 with any dude in public.

I'm talking about HOOKUPS that happen on dating apps. That's completely anonymous. And statistics show even 2/10 ugly women get hundreds of matches despite being picky.

And the reason I bring up hygiene, taking a shower, and a good haircut is to CONTRAST it with dudes who have NONE of those things and still get women. It PROVES that looks and height are everything. Your actions are irrelevant

Rebel012 and other retards here fundamentally doesn't get the difference between dating and hookups lmao

Ugly women would rather be single and ride the cock carousel than settle down with 4/10 and below men.

lol what. Obviously you dont see when a guy comes over at 11 pm to fuk them.

it's pretty true women are judgmental. tis what i glean from that post; e.g. high status behavior from fuk ups while low status behavior from guys with resources

i wouldn't say all girls though. those would be your gems. but i also think its true that someone putting that out there will get more attention. its just the way it is

honestly all of this talk of women is pretty elusive and futile. they can change their mind as to what they want. thats what happens when mens testicles are more active than women's ovaries. the mans sex drive will give more importance to getting off than it does for women, while she has to be pleased as to whatever you do to get it.

you do x, but then they switch because they can

You have no evidence that this even happens. The Idea that there are 6-7/10 men who have an online harem of 2/10s, lol.

What actually happens is that incels don't get attention from women for a variety of reasons (that escortmaxxer dude is prob mentally ill for one thing) and then they draw this invalid inference that it must be because Chads are hogging all the bottom of the barell chicks. It's a way to avoid introspection.

Just because it is 50/50 doesn't mean 50% of women are equally single to men. Those women are with guys that are with multiple women