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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
In America, the "liberal" has become the left. The label is very deceiving to the rest of the world. What you are referring to is what we now call "classic liberalism" to make the distinction. This would be people like Thomas Sowell, Clarence Thomas, Walter Williams…authors of which I get a vast amount of my facts and logic from, because I trust this perspective.

Btw, notice their skin color? Every one of those men are called "Uncle Toms" for the view on liberty. These are strong individuals with good character. Srs
I don't see the need for a skin colour qualifier nor the slur; but, do those authors oppose individual freedom?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I don't see the need for a skin colour qualifier nor the slur; but, do those authors oppose individual freedom?
Maybe we better just stick to the 10 commandments and call it a day, folks can't agree on a dam thing.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I don't see the need for a skin colour qualifier nor the slur; but, do those authors oppose individual freedom?
Now you're speaking like a true American Marxist. Using antiracist ideology to character assassinate someone. You really are a narcissist.
One party system; Most Republicans are Democrats, but no Democrats are Republicans.
Hayek and Mises were right; they're all socialists.
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
Now you're speaking like a true American Marxist. Using antiracist ideology to character assassinate someone. You really are a narcissist.
No.

I'm not American

I said I didn't see the need for the qualifier or slur.

Your words are in the quote.

Did or do those authors oppose individual freedom?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
No.

I'm not American

I said I didn't see the need for the qualifier or slur.

Your words are in the quote.

Did or do those authors oppose individual freedom?
I know you're not American.

I'm making it relevant. The modern liberal commonly refers to the black skinned classical liberal an "Uncle Tom". It was an example of the extreme ideologies that comes with the American liberal left.

its amazing how much you think you know about America and what's happening here. You're absolutely lost, and your country is in the chitter, being run by extremist leftists, but you're here telling Americans what they should or shouldn't do. You say you're for liberty, but speak against all advocates of freedom.

You're one of them. You have to be.
One party system; Most Republicans are Democrats, but no Democrats are Republicans.
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
I know you're not American.

I'm making it relevant. The modern liberal commonly refers to the black skinned classical liberal an "Uncle Tom". It was an example of the extreme ideologies that comes with the American liberal left.

its amazing how much you think you know about America and what's happening here. You're absolutely lost, and your country is in the chitter, being run by extremist leftists, but you're here telling Americans what they should or shouldn't do. You say you're for liberty, but speak against all advocates of freedom.

You're one of them. You have to be.
You said "the left" opposes individual freedom. I asked for clarification. You offered some authors as examples of the left, but didn't connect those authors with opposition to individual freedom.

Liberalism supports individual freedom

Conservatism supports maintaining the status quo. "Free, to be like me."

I don't think you'll find much evidence of me telling anyone what to do.
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Originally Posted By sooby⏩
the biggest mistake Christians made and allowed was separating state and religion.
Mistake would imply it was unintentional.
My personal pronouns are: Don't talk to me/Fck off
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
You said "the left" opposes individual freedom. I asked for clarification.You offered some authors as examples of the left, but didn't connect those authors with opposition to individual freedom.

Liberalism supports individual freedom

Conservatism supports maintaining the status quo. "Free, to be like me."

I don't think you'll find much evidence of me telling anyone what to do.
Oh you're using the your own definitions again? If we can't agree on what is left
And right, we no longer have a discussion
One party system; Most Republicans are Democrats, but no Democrats are Republicans.
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Originally Posted By BullittEV⏩
Youre too politically invested to think clearly.

You do realize the entire left's agenda for education is to remove AP classes, barriers to entry, etc.. to level the playing field, right? They noticed whites and asians did the best in advanced learning, so guess what they did? Derp.
The anti-intellectualism is from both sides. The imperialist capitalist corporate pig class wants workers to be uneducated. They require serfs.
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
Oh you're using the your own definitions again? If we can't agree on what is left
And right, we no longer have a discussion
I referred to liberalism and asked if you consider liberalism to be on the left.

The question attracted a heckler, but you didn't respond
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
In my opinion, yes liberalism is on the left, historically and currently.

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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I referred to liberalism and asked if you consider liberalism to be on the left.

The question attracted a heckler, but you didn't respond
Yeah, but you said "in your opinion" which...we've seen numerous times here that "your opinion" really carries little weight and that you have a tendency of twisting (and outright lying) about thing to suit your narrative.

Try providing a bit more substance.
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
Yeah, but you said "in your opinion" which...we've seen numerous times here that "your opinion" really carries little weight and that you have a tendency of twisting (and outright lying) about thing to suit your narrative.

Try providing a bit more substance.
"liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the American Revolutionary pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against the individual. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power."

https://www.britannica.com/topic/liberalism

"Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality and equality before the law.[1][2][3] Liberals espouse various views depending on their understanding of these principles. However, they generally support private property, market economies, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), liberal democracy, secularism, rule of law, economic and political freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and freedom of religion.[11] Liberalism is frequently cited as the dominant ideology of modern history.[12][13]"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
Oh you're using the your own definitions again? If we can't agree on what is left
And right, we no longer have a discussion
http://www.pewresearch.org/politics/...al-typology-2/

http://www.pewresearch.org/politics/...tic-coalition/
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I still haven't found a vial of comirnaty.
I'm talking about NOW.

Copy pasting a couple of internet paragraphs isn't proving anything about the current climate, and if it falls on the left side of the spectrum (which you said it currently does).

Provide something of substance to support that.
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
I'm talking about NOW.

Copy pasting a couple of internet paragraphs isn't proving anything about the current climate, and if it falls on the left side of the spectrum (which you said it currently does).

Provide something of substance to support that.
to support what?
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
I'm talking about NOW.

Copy pasting a couple of internet paragraphs isn't proving anything about the current climate, and if it falls on the left side of the spectrum (which you said it currently does).

Provide something of substance to support that.
Those are two definitions of liberalism.

If your claim is that the definition of liberalism has recently changed to oppose individual freedom, it would be helpful if you could offer some support for that claim.

The thing about heckling is that it doesn't offer opportunity to engage in discussion.

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Originally Posted By Banderistan⏩
to support what?
That "liberalism" is still on the "left" side of the spectrum.
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Those are two definitions of liberalism.

If your claim is that the definition of liberalism has recently changed to oppose individual freedom, it would be helpful if you could offer some support for that claim.
No, I asked you for proof that "liberalism" (as you define it) is still on the "left". You continue to fail to provide that.
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
That "liberalism" is still on the "left" side of the spectrum.
Define liberalism. And what spectrum? We already know you're on the spectrum. Are we talking about that spectrum? You probably don't know what the spectrum of a linear operator is either because you're a pseudointellectual pleb so I will assume it isn't that spectrum either.
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Originally Posted By Banderistan⏩
Define liberalism. And what spectrum? We already know you're on the spectrum. Are we talking about that spectrum? You probably don't know what the spectrum of a linear operator is either because you're a pseudointellectual pleb so I will assume it isn't that spectrum either.


You're even worse than JLC. Bring some substance next time.
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩


You're even worse than JLC. Bring some substance next time.
What spectrum? Define liberalism. These are substantive questions germane to your entire argument dipchit.
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Originally Posted By Banderistan⏩
What spectrum? Define liberalism. These are substantive questions germane to your entire argument dipchit.
I was asking JLC to do that. That would be germane to the entire argument, dipchit.

He still hasn't done that, btw. Direct your hostility towards him.
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
I was asking JLC to do that. That would be germane to the entire argument, dipchit.

He still hasn't done that, btw. Direct your hostility towards him.
Definitions of liberalism are provided and cited above.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Definitions of liberalism are provided and cited above.
Yeah, and that doesn't address our dispute (also lol @ Wikipedia). How does that prove that classical "liberalism" is on the "left" currently?

Care to try again?
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
Yeah, and that doesn't address our dispute (also lol @ Wikipedia). How does that prove that classical "liberalism" is on the "left" currently?

Care to try again?
liberalism
noun

1: the quality or state of being liberal

2a often capitalized : a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity

b: a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard (see GOLD STANDARD sense 1)

c: a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy (see AUTONOMY sense 2) of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties specifically : such a philosophy that considers government as a crucial instrument for amelioration of social inequities (such as those involving race, gender, or class)

d capitalized : the principles and policies of a Liberal (see LIBERAL entry 1 sense 6b) party

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/liberalism

Can you share something that say liberals on are the right?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Can you share something that say liberals on are the right?
Can you provide something saying that they are currently on the left (like you said earlier)?

Posting a couple of paragraphs from online encyclopedias, and a definition from a dictionary has not proven this.

Can you provide any actual proof that "liberalism" is currently on the left? How many more times must I ask this?
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
Can you provide something saying that they are currently on the left (like you said earlier)?

Posting a couple of paragraphs from online encyclopedias, and a definition from a dictionary has not proven this.

Can you provide any actual proof that "liberalism" is currently on the left? How many more times must I ask this?
Who is they?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Who is they?
Liberals/classical liberals (which is what was in the definitions you provided).

Now can you provide some evidence to back your claims?
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No reason for there to be any sort of religious ideals in public schools. That goes for Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Flying spaghetti monster.

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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
Liberals/classical liberals (which is what was in the definitions you provided).

Now can you provide some evidence to back your claims?
I guess not.

Thanks for informing me that liberals are right wing.
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Originally Posted By Banderistan⏩
The anti-intellectualism is from both sides. The imperialist capitalist corporate pig class wants workers to be uneducated. They require serfs.
Indeed. No surprise that camohead doesn't realize he's caught in the web because he's too busy doing their bidding.
Originally Posted By BeachPro11⏩
No reason for there to be any sort of religious ideals in public schools. That goes for Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Flying spaghetti monster.

End.
But Krakhead wants schools to give children their moral compass rather than parents. Good thing that lazy bastard doesn't have children.
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