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post 1685285413 06-25-2023, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
He's probably pro letting parents make that decision on their own without some communist sending them to a gulag

Radical stuff in clown world I know
I've seen school suspensions, but never exile, over vaccination status.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Okay.

With regard to taking issue with the definition of vaccine, does the rabies vaccine confer what you call "definitive immunity"?
Just looked into this, unfortunately by law dog owners are required to have their dog’s vaccinated. Seems it gives immunity for 3 yrs, but with all vaccines it causes far too many adverse effects.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7088826/

What vaccines do you think are absolutely essential?
post 1685286213 06-25-2023, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
Just looked into this, unfortunately by law dog owners are required to have their dog’s vaccinated. Seems it gives immunity for 3 yrs, but with all vaccines it causes far too many adverse effects.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7088826/

What vaccines do you think are absolutely essential?
Does that suggest the canine rabies vaccine isn't really a vaccine?

Is animal Pharma culling dogs through mandates?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Does that suggest the canine rabies vaccine isn't really a vaccine?

Is animal Pharma culling dogs through mandates?
If this is supposed to be a gotcha just lol
post 1685287393 06-25-2023, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted By ezmac31⏩
If this is supposed to be a gotcha just lol
No.

It's an inquiry into the meaning of "definitive immunity" and what products can or should be considered "vaccines".
post 1685287943 06-25-2023, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
No.

It's an inquiry into the meaning of "definitive immunity" and what products can or should be considered "vaccines".
Are you autistic?
I’m not trying to be mean, I’m genuinely curious
post 1685288233 06-25-2023, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
Are you autistic?
I’m not trying to be mean, I’m genuinely curious
I just prefer to understand someone's position rather than call them names.
post 1685288353 06-25-2023, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I just prefer to understand someone's position rather than call them names.
I’m not calling you names. There is a pretty convincing correlation between autism & vaccines. You seem to be very pro vaccination of any and all sorts, so it would not be surprising if you were on the spectrum to a degree.
post 1685288423 06-25-2023, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
I’m not calling you names. There is a pretty convincing correlation between autism & vaccines. You seem to be very pro vaccination of any and all sorts, so it would not be surprising if you were on the spectrum to a degree.
It's interesting how you won't state your position

Any chance you can share some support for the claim that autism and vaccines are correlated?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
It's interesting how you won't state your position
I did state my position. I’m not familiar enough with every vaccine to judge if they are effective or not, & if the benefits outweigh the costs.

Now back to the question at hand…are you autistic?
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Originally Posted By Paul
I did state my position. I’m not familiar enough with every vaccine to judge if they are effective or not, & if the benefits outweigh the costs.

Now back to the question at hand…are you autistic?
Okay, your position is still rather unclear.

You've expressed concern over the updated definition of "vaccine".

You have also stated that covid vaccines are not vaccines because they do not confer your undefined term of "definitive immunity".

However, you appear to be okay with the canine rabies vaccine and human shingles vaccine being called "vaccines", even though both only confer acquired immunity rather than your undefined term "definitive immunity".

How do you reconcile the discrepancy?
post 1685289703 06-25-2023, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Okay, your position is still rather unclear.

You've expressed concern over the updated definition of "vaccine".

You have also stated that covid vaccines are not vaccines because they do not confer your undefined term of "definitive immunity".

However, you appear to be okay with the canine rabies vaccine and human shingles vaccine being called "vaccines", even though both only confer acquired immunity rather than your undefined term "definitive immunity".

How do you reconcile the discrepancy?
I don’t agree with the old definition either, no vaccine gives definitive immunity regardless of how new or old they are. This is why I’m against mandating vaccines for anyone at any age.
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Originally Posted By Paul
I don’t agree with the old definition either, no vaccine gives definitive immunity regardless of how new or old they are. This is why I’m against mandating vaccines for anyone at any age.
Since no vaccines provide "definitive immunity", is your position that no vaccines should be required for anyone?

Also, what is "definitive immunity"?
post 1685290953 06-25-2023, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Since no vaccines provide "definitive immunity", is your position that no vaccines should be required for anyone?

Also, what is "definitive immunity"?
By required do you mean, forced?
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Originally Posted By Paul
By required do you mean, forced?
As an example, the immunization schedule for children attending school.

Also, what is "definitive immunity"?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
As an example, the immunization schedule for children attending school.

Also, what is "definitive immunity"?
So force children to be inoculated is your stance.

Heads of state & Government claimed that if vaccinated one WOULD NOT be infected with Covid..seems to me that would be “definitive immunity”
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Because it has not been addressed yet, I'll repost it ( and will keep reposting it until it is addressed ):



The medical community, through the MSM, have spread misinformation that led to the general public thinking that the covid vaccines offered sterilizing immunity.

It seems you are on board with said misinformation being spread, just like how you are on board with your government still, up to this day, posting misinformation on the official website.

Did you find that vial of Comirnaty yet?
Are you trying to suggest that I should be held accountable for "MSM" messaging?
post 1685292493 06-25-2023, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
So force children to be inoculated is your stance?
No, but your answer looks like a question.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
No, but your answer looks like a question.
Seems like you have the same stance as me then..
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Originally Posted By Paul
Seems like you have the same stance as me then..
Maybe. But you seem unwilling to state your position.

To be clear,

I think vaccines exist.

I think vaccines confer acquired immunity, and always have.

I think vaccines and their associated schedules in first world countries are directly related to the vastly higher survival rates of children we see relative to third world countries.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Maybe. But you seem unwilling to state your position.

To be clear,

I think vaccines exist.

I think vaccines confer acquired immunity, and always have.

I think vaccines and their associated schedules in first world countries are directly related to the vastly higher survival rates of children we see relative to third world countries.
Splendid
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Originally Posted By Paul
Splendid
Do you take the same position?
post 1685294253 06-25-2023, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Do you take the same position?
No.
Especially with the Covid vaccine. How has it confirmed acquired immunity when people that are routinely boosted are still dying from Covid?

When does this acquired immunity kick in?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Maybe. But you seem unwilling to state your position.

To be clear,

I think vaccines exist.

I think vaccines confer acquired immunity, and always have.

I think vaccines and their associated schedules in first world countries are directly related to the vastly higher survival rates of children we see relative to third world countries.
1.) yes vaccines exist

2.) are you immune to Covid if you get the Covid “vaccine”

3.) the vastly higher survival rates are probably much more closely tied to better nutrition and access to decent healthcare as well as other basics like clean drinking water and other things. Do you think that forcing children and adolescents to be injected dozens of times before the age of 18 with substances that we know are neurotoxic has lead to an increase to neurological disorders? Do you think those dozens of injections which are designed to illicit an unnatural immune response have lead to an increase in autoimmune disorders?



Edit to add- to answer your earlier question, I got the greater than five year mark from the medical community. That is what is considered a study of “longterm” effects. So again, how do we have longterm studies on something that has existed for less than five years?
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Originally Posted By Paul
No.
Especially with the Covid vaccine. How has it confirmed acquired immunity when people that are routinely boosted are still dying from Covid?

When does this acquired immunity kick in?
Acquired immunity is development of antibodies and t-cells.

So, you only take issue with the covid vaccines because they confer acquired immunity?

Why don't you take issue with all of the other vaccines that confer acquired immunity (e.g., the shingles vaccine)?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Acquired immunity is development of antibodies and t-cells.

So, you only take issue with the covid vaccines because they confer acquired immunity?

Why don't you take issue with all of the other vaccines that confer acquired immunity (e.g., the shingles vaccine)?
Yes, anyone can look up the definition..

Here you go..

“What does acquire immunity mean?

A type of immunity that develops when a person's immune system responds to a foreign substance or microorganism, or that occurs after a person receives antibodies from another source.

https://www.cancer.gov/publications/...ired-immunity#


Like I stated…So when does this immunity kick in for Covid?

I’m not seeing it.
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Originally Posted By Paul
Yes, anyone can look up the definition..

Here you go..

“What does acquire immunity mean?

A type of immunity that develops when a person's immune system responds to a foreign substance or microorganism, or that occurs after a person receives antibodies from another source.

https://www.cancer.gov/publications/...ired-immunity#


Like I stated…So when does this immunity kick in for Covid?

I’m not seeing it.
The term is "acquired " immunity.

Do you recall the concerns about antibody levels waning after covid vaccination (humoral acquired immunity)?

How do antibody levels wane if they don't develop?

Regarding cell-mediated acquired immunity:
See,https://www.cell.com/immunity/fullte...613(23)00125-5
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
The term is "acquired " immunity.

Do you recall the concerns about antibody levels waning after covid vaccination (humoral acquired immunity)?

How do antibody levels wane if they don't develop?

Regarding cell-mediated acquired immunity:
See,https://www.cell.com/immunity/fullte...613(23)00125-5
So does this mean the covid vaccine will never give one acquired immunity?
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
1.) yes vaccines exist

2.) are you immune to Covid if you get the Covid “vaccine”

3.) the vastly higher survival rates are probably much more closely tied to better nutrition and access to decent healthcare as well as other basics like clean drinking water and other things. Do you think that forcing children and adolescents to be injected dozens of times before the age of 18 with substances that we know are neurotoxic has lead to an increase to neurological disorders? Do you think those dozens of injections which are designed to illicit an unnatural immune response have lead to an increase in autoimmune disorders?



Edit to add- to answer your earlier question, I got the greater than five year mark from the medical community. That is what is considered a study of “longterm” effects. So again, how do we have longterm studies on something that has existed for less than five years?
Why do you think doctors would knowingly inject kids with substances known to be neurotoxic in the doses administered? Does that make any fking sense? Antivaxxers are legit the most retarded subhumans...
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
The term is "acquired " immunity.

Do you recall the concerns about antibody levels waning after covid vaccination (humoral acquired immunity)?

How do antibody levels wane if they don't develop?

Regarding cell-mediated acquired immunity:
See,https://www.cell.com/immunity/fullte...613(23)00125-5
Same definition..

acquired immunity

(uh-KWY-erd ih-MYOO-nih-tee)
A type of immunity that develops when a person’s immune system responds to a foreign substance or microorganism, or that occurs after a person receives antibodies from another source.

https://www.cancer.gov/publications/...ired-immunity#

Based off that definition, when would you say we will see this occurring with the covid vaccine & boosters?
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