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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩

The non-covid excess deaths don't look higher

still not your opinion , but keep going

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Originally Posted By nutsy54⏩

Weird how excess deaths lined up with reported Covid deaths... Yet after the vaccine rollouts, we know the vast majority of Covid deaths were inUnvaccinatedpeople. You're trying to cherry-pick data that fits your narrative, while ignoring everything else that refutes it.


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/


https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/co...akthrough-data

I guess I'll keep asking... where is there any proof that excess deaths are caused by vaccines that were now administered years ago? Where did you correlate Covid infection history, with 108 million cases in the US since 2020? Or any other factor?

So you’re saying that despite the cdc’s claim that younger people don’t die from Covid, Covid is in fact responsible for all the excess deaths in the young?

Is the vaccine a possibility for some of the excess deaths?

We know it kills people
We know it causes heart problems

Possible?

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Originally Posted By nutsy54⏩

So now you change up the storyline, especially after posting a graph that clearly showedexcess deaths dramatically increased before the vaccines existed?

Of course I'm willing to consideranythingcould be a cause. For the 200th time, my issue is with people who claim that Vaccines must be thesolereason, even before those Vaccines were put into use.

Are you willing to consider your often-posted chart isLyingto you? Because when I pull data from Wonder, here's the raw results. Not offset by statistical norms, but still very easy to see differences. Here's a big one:THERE ARE NO EXCESS DEATHS IN 2023!And most of 2022 was real close to normal. The only truly significant excess deaths were (gasp!) starting in early 2020, through early 2022.

so you’re willing to consider that the vax is a contributor, which makes you an anti vaxer by definition

But

You disagree with the insurance actuaries about there being excess deaths

Interesting

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Originally Posted By nutsy54⏩

I said no such thing. Why not respond to what I actually did say and post?

Why are you lying?
You acknowledged the excess deaths, now you say there are none
You’re all over the place

Originally Posted By nutsy54⏩

Weird how excess deaths lined up with reported Covid deaths... Yet after the vaccine rollouts, we know the vast majority of Covid deaths were inUnvaccinatedpeople. You're trying to cherry-pick data that fits your narrative, while ignoring everything else that refutes it.


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/cous/


https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/covid-19-br-data

I guess I'll keep asking...where is there any proof that excess deaths are caused by vaccines that were now administered years ago? Where did you correlate Covid infection history, with 108 million cases in the US since 2020? Or any other factor?

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Originally Posted By nutsy54⏩

What the hell am I supposed to be lying about?YOUput false words in my mouth, claiming I said "So you’re saying that despite the cdc’s claim that younger people don’t die from Covid, Covid is in fact responsible for all the excess deaths in the young?"

I said no such thing.


Correct.


Bull****.

big and bold for you

Originally Posted By nutsy54⏩

So now you change up the storyline, especially after posting a graph that clearly showedexcess deaths dramatically increased before the vaccines existed?

Of course I'm willing to consideranythingcould be a cause. For the 200th time, my issue is with people who claim that Vaccines must be thesolereason, even before those Vaccines were put into use.

Are you willing to consider your often-posted chart isLyingto you? Because when I pull data from Wonder, here's the raw results. Not offset by statistical norms, but still very easy to see differences. Here's a big one:THERE ARE NO EXCESS DEATHS IN 2023!And most of 2022 was real close to normal. The only truly significant excess deaths were (gasp!) starting in early 2020, through early 2022.

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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩

This is from the report



All what people?

Look how the excess deaths compare to 3,5, and 7 year trends as well as to 2017-2019.

You need to look at the age-stratified data.

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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩

I think the healthrisks of vaccination are orders of magnitude lower than the health risks of immunonaive infection.

I also think the state of the world created a cottage industry for CT's.

There is no proof of this. If anything vax > booster > virus seems to be leading to worse health outcomes than never getting a single vaccine. The booster specifically changes the antibody response to more non-neutralizing antibodies.

^^^
Getting the shots is WORSE than not getting the shots.

Originally Posted By guest89⏩

I'm trying to tell you. As of right now.Nobody is gathering evidence. And if someone wanted to, there is no way to share it.

There is simply no data-base to log it. There is simply no way to document it in a way that can be searched for and analyzed. You died of natural causes. End of story. There is no investigation to determine what caused it.

You can keep pointing out there is no evidence that the vaccine causes problems. I'll keep pointing out nobody is trying to find evidence that it does, and if anyone does find evidence of it. They don't share it.

There is no data to back it up. There is no way to log that data if it were to exist. That's the problem.

People can claim whatever they want. Because there is no-way to be proven wrong either way as of yet.

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There is ZERO upside for the US government to investigate as they could create liability for themselves.

Originally Posted By 5x10⏩

i see, complications from acute infection seemed to start killing people at the same time the vaccines rolled out

What a coincidence!

Funny how that works, yeah?

Originally Posted By nutsy54⏩

Weird how excess deaths lined up with reported Covid deaths...Yet after the vaccine rollouts, we know the vast majority of Covid deaths were in Unvaccinated people.You're trying to cherry-pick data that fits your narrative, while ignoring everything else that refutes it.

That is an out in the open right in your face lie.

It was documented in Pfizer's own study that the injection increased the rates of covid infection. I'm not making this up, it came out when they were forced to release their documents instead of waiting for 75 years.

There is a period of time post injection when the immune system is compromised *because the immune system is dealing with the shot*. This is why they did the funny business of calling anyone who wasn't at least 2 weeks out from a second shot "unvaccinated". Flim flam. Chicanery. Horsefeathers.


As far as a potential mechanism there are at least 4 I believe:

- the spike protein payload from the shots was fiddled with to prevent it being broken down by the body [pseudo-uridine whatist]

- the LNP particles themselves appear to be damaging and were found to concentrate in the lymphatic and reproductive system

- autoimmune issues- either direct damage or as above a change in immune response making one more susceptible to illness

- contamination with e. coli dna due to bad manufacturing processes


Recent look at LNP as the cause of the myocarditis:

It as at best an insufficiently researched product which should have never been approved for anyone with a less than 5% chance of dying from covid.

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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩

Maybe.



Yes there is proof.

Your claims however, not so much. #Xeets

Also, IgG4 is neutralizing but non-inflammatory.

So any study that is posted on social media is null and void from then on?






I know this one isn't a study, but the thinking seems sound. Any proof that that the vaccine magically avoids the cell of the heart?



All under this post:

"But you can't prove it though."

Um, the people who would usually be expected to investigate have a huge disincentive to do so.

"Well if you had a mechanism..."

There are several being investigated.

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