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Thread: Chris Hayes Show Last Night - Explains Trumpers in a Nutshell

post 1690371713 09-20-2023, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
Guilty until proven innocent (who are we kidding, even if found innocent people like you will still insist it happened)?
As I recall he believed Fords allegations even after she couldn't name people, place, date and came forward decades later. While being a pro-abortion political activist.

I mean after all we can't attempt to invalidate it...
Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
Well I guess we'll have to wait and see... like I said before.
You don't get evidence after 10+ years. That is the point. There is nothing left.
Originally Posted By Gainzzz⏩
Brand was obviously a massive degenerate. He was a heroin addict for years. He was wild back in the day so it wouldn't surprise me if he was banging a 16 year old, but how do you know it happened?
Brands brand manager told him it was a bad look.
He had the BBC who he worked for pick her up repeatedly.
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Originally Posted By Austanian⏩
Brands brand manager told him it was a bad look.
He had the BBC who he worked for pick her up repeatedly.
These are just part of the allegations. The BBC is investigating it. Let's see what they find.
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Originally Posted By Gainzzz⏩
If you don't outright believe these allegations and want to wait for the evidence, why did you ask if having sex with a 16 year old makes you a groomer?

pls respond
Also, 16 is legal in the progressive UK......
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Did not watch the video, as I generally avoid paid shills and liars. However, when it comes to this -- they are serious allegations and they should be investigated. If there is nothing to prove them in any way, nothing should be done with RB. You have to prove things.

Likewise, while the circumstances are murky, you can not also demand this is a setup. We don't know. They could absolutely be true and he's a bad guy. They could also be completely fabricated and he's not a bad guy and if fabricated, then there is also a chance it was orchestrated to harm him somehow.

Lots of ifs and unknowns for anyone to jump to strong conclusions.

What I do know: He has talked a lot about powerful people. I also know him being demonetized by youtube is ridiculous. I'm less concerned about Paramount+ dumping him, as it's public perception and they certainly might want to cut ties until the smoke clears here. Youtube has no excuse, though.

So, it's a strange situation. I personally do think similar charges were fabricated to justify the horrible situation with Julian Assange, but that doesn't make every case of someone on the right (or who questions big pharm) with allegations against them as it being automatically fabricated. I don't know anything about the Tate guy, I watched one interview with him and he came off as an act and obnoxious, whatever parallels between him and RB exist, he came off as a pretty ridiculous parody of a human being where RB came off fine by me.
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
I don't visit reddit.

Will a single Trumper watch this video and self reflect or will they auto-dismiss and simply attack Chris Hayes and/or myself and/or any other left leaning poster.
Does he provide evidence?

The main issue is that claims without evidence seem to pop up against all people that go against the establishment narrative. Ironically, many in the establishment have boatloads of evidence against them, yet they are protected by the media and doj (like Biden, etc).

Once this happens over and over, it’s like crying wolf.
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I went ahead and watched this for you boyos so if any of you were wondering if this is a waste of time, it absolutely is. It's just the typical liberal schtick of assuming anyone that expresses distrust for the 'institutions' is irrational and is being conned by Trump, Russel Brand, etc. These are of course the same liberals that spent the last 40 years telling us the government is evil and corrupt but now want us to pretend their behavior prior to 2008 never happened. It's cringey and embarrassingly retarded which is par for the course for groomer pat.

Low iq pat wants to make this a left vs right thing but there are plenty of leftists that have this same anti establishment proclivity. They just haven't gained nearly as much traction in their party, because the democratic party has the group think cultish system of absolutely destroying anyone that steps out of line down so it is much more difficult to be a dem and raise these kinds of objections. And that, ultimately, is what Hayes and the other groomer commies really have a problem with - people that dare to step out of line and challenge authority, and the norms they try to establish from that authority.
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
How is that weaponizing? Kavanaugh tried to rape someone and failed.. therefore he's not a rapist so Rapey Brett seems like an accurate description. At least he got vaccinated though lol.
You tried to rape someone and failed as well, though. Not sure how youre so upset about it.
Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
Low iq pat wants to make this a left vs right thing but there are plenty of leftists that have this same anti establishment proclivity. They just haven't gained nearly as much traction in their party, because the democratic party has the group think cultish system of absolutely destroying anyone that steps out of line down so it is much more difficult to be a dem and raise these kinds of objections. And that, ultimately, is what Hayes and the other groomer commies really have a problem with - people that dare to step out of line and challenge authority, and the norms they try to establish from that authority.
Well said. What kind of justice system is believe all <gender> ? Makes zero sense and people are getting attacked over wanting evidence? Just lol
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The funniest thing of it all is how Russel Brand rebanded himself from a leftist liberal loon to a right wing hero in less than a decade.
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Originally Posted By suave2000⏩
The funniest thing of it all is how Russel Brand rebanded himself from a leftist liberal loon to a right wing hero in less than a decade.
When did it become right wing to question authority and become a champion of free speech?

RB is almost universally left on every topic.

Pretty sure that was the lefts mantra in 60s...

Censorship and progressive denial of objective truth has led to classical liberals being bedfellows of conservatives.
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Originally Posted By Austanian⏩
When did it become right wing to question authority and become a champion of free speech?

RB is almost universally left on every topic.

Pretty sure that was the lefts mantra in 60s...

Censorship and progressive denial of objective truth has led to classical liberals being bedfellows of conservatives.
"Trumpers" gets thrown around a lot, basically a smear to anyone who does what liberals have done in spades since the 1960s up until Occupy Wallstreet must have actually scared corporations who bought/brainwashed a large chunk of the left.

Props to those on the left who maintain their values, although look where it landed Russel Brand.
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
"Trumpers" gets thrown around a lot, basically a smear to anyone who does what liberals have done in spades since the 1960s up until Occupy Wallstreet must have actually scared corporations who bought/brainwashed a large chunk of the left.

Props to those on the left who maintain their values, although look where it landed Russel Brand.
They also think just because I fight for them means that they are my "hero" or I support them.

I like podcasts where they are consistent with their beliefs whether or not it is an R or D talking. How else, am I exposed to counter arguments and able to hone my beliefs into "best practices".

Bonus points if they hold positions disagreeable to their political alignment.
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
"Trumpers" gets thrown around a lot, basically a smear to anyone who does what liberals have done in spades since the 1960s up until Occupy Wallstreet must have actually scared corporations who bought/brainwashed a large chunk of the left.

Props to those on the left who maintain their values, although look where it landed Russel Brand.
Populism works.
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
I went ahead and watched this for you boyos so if any of you were wondering if this is a waste of time, it absolutely is. It's just the typical liberal schtick of assuming anyone that expresses distrust for the 'institutions' is irrational and is being conned by Trump, Russel Brand, etc. These are of course the same liberals that spent the last 40 years telling us the government is evil and corrupt but now want us to pretend their behavior prior to 2008 never happened. It's cringey and embarrassingly retarded which is par for the course for groomer pat.

Low iq pat wants to make this a left vs right thing but there are plenty of leftists that have this same anti establishment proclivity. They just haven't gained nearly as much traction in their party, because the democratic party has the group think cultish system of absolutely destroying anyone that steps out of line down so it is much more difficult to be a dem and raise these kinds of objections. And that, ultimately, is what Hayes and the other groomer commies really have a problem with - people that dare to step out of line and challenge authority, and the norms they try to establish from that authority.
Lmfao at this nonsense.

Stizzel is clearly, clearly, without a doubtexactlywhat this video was about... not Russell Brand. Imagine my shock he thought it was a waste of time. People like this are beyond help.

Never stop donating to the con men Stizzel... they'll never stop telling you whatever nonsense you want to hear to make an easy buck. LOL
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
Lmfao at this nonsense.

Stizzel is clearly, clearly, without a doubtexactly what this video was about... not Russell Brand. Imagine my shock he thought it was a waste of time. People like this are beyond help.

Never stop donating to the con men Stizzel... they'll never stop telling you whatever nonsense you want to hear to make an easy buck. LOL
I'll just leave this here for you Pat.
Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
How is that weaponizing? Kavanaugh tried to rape someone and failed.. therefore he's not a rapist so Rapey Brett seems like an accurate description.
You really don't see it.. do you.

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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
That's a really cool opinion you have there. Just like Chris Hayes talks about in the clip I posted. Con men say things you want to hear, just like Russell Brand and Donald Trump, and you pay them money. It's a lucrative business conning people who want to be conned. That is until they get sued, right Alex Jones?
Why are the accusations only coming out now, Pat? Why not 15 years ago when he was a favourite guest on the British MSM? Why not 10 years ago when he was the cool guy dating Katy Perry and starring in the latest hollywood production? Is it just a coincidence the timing of them coming out *after* he started attacking the modern left's dogmas?
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Originally Posted By benedetto27⏩
Why are the accusations only coming out now, Pat? Why not 15 years ago when he was a favourite guest on the British MSM? Why not 10 years ago when he was the cool guy dating Katy Perry and starring in the latest hollywood production? Is it just a coincidence the timing of them coming out *after* he started attacking the modern left's dogmas?
This guy still believes the con lol.
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
This guy still believes the con lol.
This guy still believes Kavanaugh was a gang rapist but then put that on hold to go to Yale Law and work his way up to become a federal judge. Very typical gang rapist behavior to pursue an elite career.
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
This guy still believes the con lol.
You cant even admit the timing is skeptical yet want to say others are beyond help.
Originally Posted By benedetto27⏩
This guy still believes Kavanaugh was a gang rapist but then put that on hold to go to Yale Law and work his way up to become a federal judge. Very typical gang rapist behavior to pursue an elite career.
It's crazy that people cant even consider this logic if you dont like someone, jeez. Even if I ever allowed someone to mentally kneecap me so much to the point I hated them, I would never just drop the burden of proof or the concept of innocent until proven guilty.
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
I watched Chris Hayes opening segment last night and it was like I was watching him talk about the Trumpers on this forum to a tee.

To set up the segment, Russell Brand was recently accused of rape and sexual assault by multiple women, and of course the entire right came to his defense without hearing or seeing a shred of evidence. Tucker Carlson, Alex Jones, Andrew Tate, and of course Elon Musk. Even Ben Shapiro said Brand was being targeted for his political views.

The argument goes like this.. Russell Brand is being targeted by the "deep state" because he was telling the truth and the deep state couldn't have that so these women were somehow rounded up to accuse and "Me Too" him. He's just a poor victim.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1iJ2GoEv8Q

Inb4 someone thinks this is me quoting Chris Hayes as a news "source" to support some claim..


If you support MAGA, watch this and reflect a little.
BIG BIG HUGE GIGANTIC difference between Russel Brand and the others you mentioned and what is supposed to happen in a just society.

None of those first people have a shred or very little of evidence that shows they did anything improper. All recently have shown their right wing leanings or went against the leftist Powers that Be narrative. All soon after they went against the grain? They got attacked with accusations that are in no way provable.

You don't see a pattern here?

I mean with Russel Brand give me a freaking break. The guy has been around for 15 years as a known VERY sexual guy. His movies and his general persona were all about sex. NO ONE SAID A WORD.

But as soon as he starts a podcast talking about his conservative views? All of a sudden people are jumping out of the woods to accuse him of rape and other predatory things?

Give me a freaking break. This is being done same as the witch hunt against Trump and the Jan 6 protestors and Tate. To SHUT THEM UP and to show other potential people who might speak out against the left as a warning. Shut up or we will F you up.

Believe me Biden will probably get the same treatment soon if he insists on running in 2024 and I will show you this post if and when it happens.
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Originally Posted By BullittEV⏩
You cant even admit the timing is skeptical yet want to say others are beyond help.

It's crazy that people cant even consider this logic if you dont like someone, jeez. Even if I ever allowed someone to mentally kneecap me so much to the point I hated them, I would never just drop the burden of proof or the concept of innocent until proven guilty.
You just got to believe all women and categorize everyone you don't like as guilty without supporting evidence...

Patty has been very consistent on that. Completely logical.
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Originally Posted By benedetto27⏩
This guy still believes Kavanaugh was a gang rapist but then put that on hold to go to Yale Law and work his way up to become a federal judge. Very typical gang rapist behavior to pursue an elite career.
The wannabe rapist cried and said how much he loves his beer... spare me lol.
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Originally Posted By BeachPro11⏩
BIG BIG HUGE GIGANTIC difference between Russel Brand and the others you mentioned and what is supposed to happen in a just society.

None of those first people have a shred or very little of evidence that shows they did anything improper. All recently have shown their right wing leanings or went against the leftist Powers that Be narrative. All soon after they went against the grain? They got attacked with accusations that are in no way provable.

You don't see a pattern here?

I mean with Russel Brand give me a freaking break. The guy has been around for 15 years as a known VERY sexual guy. His movies and his general persona were all about sex. NO ONE SAID A WORD.

But as soon as he starts a podcast talking about his conservative views? All of a sudden people are jumping out of the woods to accuse him of rape and other predatory things?

Give me a freaking break. This is being done same as the witch hunt against Trump and the Jan 6 protestors and Tate. To SHUT THEM UP and to show other potential people who might speak out against the left as a warning. Shut up or we will F you up.

Believe me Biden will probably get the same treatment soon if he insists on running in 2024 and I will show you this post if and when it happens.
This guy believes the wildfires in Canada were intentionally set by people lol.
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Originally Posted By BullittEV⏩
You cant even admit the timing is skeptical yet want to say others are beyond help.
For the love of God...

Ok look I'll play along. Let's say that this is what you all keep claiming. The timing is skeptical so someone must be doing this to him. Who? Who is it and who sent them? The Deep State? The Dems? Rinos? Lol
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
This guy believes the wildfires in Canada were intentionally set by people lol.
You can't even answer my post without deflecting.

Why? Because you are full of s h i t.

So I will do the same.

You are a groomer who fondles kids.

And???
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Originally Posted By GroomerPat⏩
This guy believes the wildfires in Canada were intentionally set by people lol.
What is it with groomers always trying to change the subject? Its like their attention span is non existant if there are no 8 year olds to keep them invested
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
What is it with groomers always trying to change the subject? Its like their attention span is non existant if there are no 8 year olds to keep them invested
It isn't even worth responding to the clown. I have avoided doing so for months and I fell into his trap.

Not again. He is an older gay man who gets his jollies posting on here.....trolling. And being a sexual groomer of children.

F this guy.
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Originally Posted By BeachPro11⏩
You can't even answer my post without deflecting.

Why? Because you are full of s h i t.

So I will do the same.

You are a groomer who fondles kids.

And???
And you believe the CT. The easily connedwantsto believe the CT.
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
I watched Chris Hayes opening segment last night and it was like I was watching him talk about the Trumpers on this forum to a tee.

To set up the segment, Russell Brand was recently accused of rape and sexual assault by multiple women, and of course the entire right came to his defense without hearing or seeing a shred of evidence. Tucker Carlson, Alex Jones, Andrew Tate, and of course Elon Musk. Even Ben Shapiro said Brand was being targeted for his political views.

The argument goes like this.. Russell Brand is being targeted by the "deep state" because he was telling the truth and the deep state couldn't have that so these women were somehow rounded up to accuse and "Me Too" him. He's just a poor victim.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1iJ2GoEv8Q

Inb4 someone thinks this is me quoting Chris Hayes as a news "source" to support some claim..


If you support MAGA, watch this and reflect a little.
When any Americans are accused of anything all Americans should come to their defense until evidence is presented to SHOW that persons guilt, I understand Brand has been known as a sexual deviant before these allegations came about but that is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt, it does not matter if you FEEL he is guilty because you are an American who understands that Americans are innocent until PROVEN guilty.

ALL the MAGA crowd is saying is prove it, we are not saying he didn't do it, hell, some of us think he did but we would still like some proof.

If you don't understand that then send this post to Hayes and ask him to do a segment on it.
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post 1690399873 09-20-2023, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
He literally has the most punchable face on tv.

But of course you won't watch it, you people are the ones who need to watch it the most.

And I didn't weaponize anything, I simply said the same thing Trump said - that the witness testifying under oath against Kavanaugh was extremely credible.

And we've been through this before with allegations, asking a hole bunch of questions like why didn't you come forward sooner and why didn't you call the police and why didn't you get a rape kit to get DNA et is just an attempt to discredit the allegations. And like with many rape allegations, once one woman comes forward, the other victims do too.
To say that asking questions as to why someone would wait so long to report a rape is an attempt to discredit allegations is disingenuous, it is a legitimate inquiry that any reasonable person would want an anwser to, if someone is a victim of a crime they tend to report it immediately or not at all.

To report late only lowers the chances of justice and increases the chances of future victims.

You should expect folks to question your motives under these circumstances.
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post 1690399903 09-20-2023, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
For the love of God...

Ok look I'll play along. Let's say that this is what you all keep claiming. The timing is skeptical so someone must be doing this to him. Who? Who is it and who sent them? The Deep State? The Dems? Rinos? Lol
I dont know why you are having trouble understanding the rationale that bringing up serious allegations of being raped just before a political situation like appointing a SC is skeptical timing. I promise you it's not that weird to at least wonder why someone would get raped and never say anything about it until such a moment where it would be very, very politically advantageous for their party. Especially after everything we've seen?

Even you fail the rational litmus test. You legitimately think anything negative occuring during the Biden administration is Trumps fault and anything that was remotely positive during Trumps tenure was due to Obama. It's comical.

Ford could have easily had the same mindset as you in that it's justifying to do such a thing if it means stopping the devil. The point is that beyond a reasonable doubt seems to not hold any water with you.
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