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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Can you give an example of that in practice?Von Mises - lol
Doesn't change the fact that individual liberty/freedom is a primary tenet of Marxism.
Doesn't change the fact that individual liberty/freedom is a primary tenet of Marxism.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Are you really comparing the murders and deaths under communist and socialist dictators to any deaths under capitalism?Sounds kinda like capitalism...
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I asked for an example in practiceHave you read any Marx?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Can you provide any?I know.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Oh..so stating.."individual liberty/freedom is a primary tenet of Marxism". Is just here-say since we have never seen this in practiceI can't think of any historical manifestations of Marxism.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
that would be hear-sayWell no. It's what Marx wrote, so not hearsay.
"Here-say refers to information that you have heard but do not know to be true. It is unverified, unofficial information gained or acquired from another and not part of your direct knowledge. Here-say can be in the form of rumors, gossip, or second-hand information that has not been confirmed or verified."
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Well no.that would be hear-say
"Here-say refers to information that you have heard but do not know to be true. It is unverified, unofficial information gained or acquired from another and not part of your direct knowledge. Here-say can be in the form of rumors, gossip, or second-hand information that has not been confirmed or verified."
"Here-say refers to information that you have heard but do not know to be true. It is unverified, unofficial information gained or acquired from another and not part of your direct knowledge. Here-say can be in the form of rumors, gossip, or second-hand information that has not been confirmed or verified."
Marxism is outlined in Marx's works. There's no need to hear it from anyone else - it's all freely available for you to read for yourself.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
You are reading it second-hand, it is not demonstrated in practice..that makes it hear-sayWell no.
Marxism is outlined in Marx's works. There's no need to hear it from anyone else - it's all freely available for you to read for yourself.
Marxism is outlined in Marx's works. There's no need to hear it from anyone else - it's all freely available for you to read for yourself.
Cannot claim.. "individual liberty/freedom is a primary tenet of Marxism"....if you cannot give evidence for it in practice
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Originally Posted By Paul
Referring to Marx's original writings is what academia would call a "primary source", it's not hearsay, lol.that would be hear-say
"Here-say refers to information that you have heard but do not know to be true. It is unverified, unofficial information gained or acquired from another and not part of your direct knowledge. Here-say can be in the form of rumors, gossip, or second-hand information that has not been confirmed or verified."
"Here-say refers to information that you have heard but do not know to be true. It is unverified, unofficial information gained or acquired from another and not part of your direct knowledge. Here-say can be in the form of rumors, gossip, or second-hand information that has not been confirmed or verified."
Back off, Warchild.
Seriously.
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
That's still hearsay..read the definition again dum dum. The only person that could read his hand-writing was Engles..and again no examples in practiceReferring to Marx's original writings is what academia would call a "primary source", it's not hearsay, lol.
05-14-2024, 08:49 AM
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No, I'm reading it first-hand. Are the dictionary and Constitution hearsay?You are reading it second-hand, it is not demonstrated in practice..that makes it hear-say
Cannot claim.. "individual liberty/freedom is a primary tenet of Marxism"....if you cannot give evidence for it in practice
Cannot claim.. "individual liberty/freedom is a primary tenet of Marxism"....if you cannot give evidence for it in practice
Read his work.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Really..you can read Marx's handwriting? Can you post it for us?No, I'm reading it first-hand. Are the dictionary and Constitution hearsay?
Just lol
Just lol
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Engles published..you can't read Marx lolHe published the work.
Just lol
Just lol
That would be hearsay

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https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/Engles published..you can't read Marx lol

That would be hearsay
That would be hearsay

"First Published: in German in 1867;
First Published in English: 1887;
Source: First English edition of 1887 (4th German edition changes included as indicated) with some modernisation of spelling;
Publisher: Progress Publishers, Moscow, USSR;
Translated: Samuel Moore and Edward Aveling, edited by Frederick Engels"
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
What’s that last line…”Translated: Samuel Moore and Edward Aveling, edited by Frederick Engels;”https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/

"First Published: in German in 1867;
First Published in English: 1887;
Source: First English edition of 1887 (4th German edition changes included as indicated) with some modernisation of spelling;
Publisher: Progress Publishers, Moscow, USSR;
Translated: Samuel Moore and Edward Aveling, edited by Frederick Engels"
Just lol

"First Published: in German in 1867;
First Published in English: 1887;
Source: First English edition of 1887 (4th German edition changes included as indicated) with some modernisation of spelling;
Publisher: Progress Publishers, Moscow, USSR;
Translated: Samuel Moore and Edward Aveling, edited by Frederick Engels"
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So you can’t provide Marx’s own writings…which makes the above hearsay. LMAO
05-14-2024, 09:07 AM
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You quoted the picture of the published (typed!) book.What’s that last line…”Translated: Samuel Moore and Edward Aveling, edited by Frederick Engels;”
So you can’t provide Marx’s own writings…which makes the above hearsay. LMAO
So you can’t provide Marx’s own writings…which makes the above hearsay. LMAO
It's truly hilarious how you double down on nonsense.
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Well, first you brainwash a bunch of morons into believing there's a chance for a perfect utopian society where everyone is morally sound and willing to share the stuff they worked hard for with other people who might not even work at all. You get them SO invested in this idea, it becomes part of their personality. You galvanize them against the bourgeoisie to a point of genocidal hatred.Note: in modern Cultural Marxism, the bourgeoisie is white people, masculine men, Christian / Catholics, boomers, right wingers; pretty much anyone that isn't a sniveling little commie chithead.These are your useful idiots.Note: In modern Cultural Marxism, they are called Useful Retards.
So the Useful Idiots are radicalized and then used to destabilize nations, sway / force public opinion, struggle session opponents, essentially bully anyone who isn't part of the cult. They undermine individualism, force totalitarian "comradeship," they burn books, they snitch on their neighbors and even on their own friends and family. It is a political cult - all loyalty must flow back to the cult. So much so, that one of their primary goals is to infiltrate and destroy traditions and cultures. Useful Retards take it a step further and try to destroy not only traditions of western society, but also attempt to "subvert" objective reality itself.
"Math is racist, stop using it. Music theory is rooted in white supremacy, what are you, a bigot? Gender is a social construct, you can be whatever you want...well, besides a masculine white man, of course."
Historically, the Useful Idiots are unceremoniously lined up against brick walls and shot dead once the dictatorship has taken full root. From there it's all about killing the most people and pretending it's for "progress" or for a "cultural revolution." The dictatorship is in power, but the mask never really comes off. Mao will kill millions of hisownpeople through gross incompetence...or maybe the incompetence is manufactured as an excuse to commit mass genocide? Who knows. But at the end of the day, in every single nation poisoned by this cancerous, exceedingly selfish ideology, millions upon millions of people die.
What we're seeing now draws from many different things. It's Marxism, it's Communism, it's Maoism, it's Rules for Radicals, it's Critical Theory, it's Post-Modernism, it's a blend of a dozen different retarded theories that should be used as an exercise in college courses, not a basis of education, society, and culture.
tl;dr - It doesn't work and people who think it can are brainwashed ph@660ts who would slit your throat for disagreeing with even 5% politics if they think it'd get them brownie points with other cult members.
So the Useful Idiots are radicalized and then used to destabilize nations, sway / force public opinion, struggle session opponents, essentially bully anyone who isn't part of the cult. They undermine individualism, force totalitarian "comradeship," they burn books, they snitch on their neighbors and even on their own friends and family. It is a political cult - all loyalty must flow back to the cult. So much so, that one of their primary goals is to infiltrate and destroy traditions and cultures. Useful Retards take it a step further and try to destroy not only traditions of western society, but also attempt to "subvert" objective reality itself.
"Math is racist, stop using it. Music theory is rooted in white supremacy, what are you, a bigot? Gender is a social construct, you can be whatever you want...well, besides a masculine white man, of course."
Historically, the Useful Idiots are unceremoniously lined up against brick walls and shot dead once the dictatorship has taken full root. From there it's all about killing the most people and pretending it's for "progress" or for a "cultural revolution." The dictatorship is in power, but the mask never really comes off. Mao will kill millions of hisownpeople through gross incompetence...or maybe the incompetence is manufactured as an excuse to commit mass genocide? Who knows. But at the end of the day, in every single nation poisoned by this cancerous, exceedingly selfish ideology, millions upon millions of people die.
What we're seeing now draws from many different things. It's Marxism, it's Communism, it's Maoism, it's Rules for Radicals, it's Critical Theory, it's Post-Modernism, it's a blend of a dozen different retarded theories that should be used as an exercise in college courses, not a basis of education, society, and culture.
tl;dr - It doesn't work and people who think it can are brainwashed ph@660ts who would slit your throat for disagreeing with even 5% politics if they think it'd get them brownie points with other cult members.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Really..so tell us what that picture says..lolYou quoted the picture of the published (typed!) book.
It's truly hilarious how you double down on nonsense.
It's truly hilarious how you double down on nonsense.
05-14-2024, 09:32 AM
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Read it in German, if that's you're preference. But at least read it before critiquing or making claims regarding the philosophy.Really..so tell us what that picture says..lol
Original works are not hearsay.
If you're of the opinion that subsequent editions and translations deviate markedly from the original German 1st edition, prove It

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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
You did not recite it..even if you could read German..you can’t read that handwriting..what you read of Marx is second sourced..hearsayRead it in German, if that's you're preference. But at least read it before critiquing or making claims regarding the philosophy.
Original works are not hearsay.
If you're of the opinion that subsequent editions and translations deviate markedly from the original German 1st edition, prove It
Original works are not hearsay.
If you're of the opinion that subsequent editions and translations deviate markedly from the original German 1st edition, prove It

05-14-2024, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted By Paul
He didn't publish his hand written notes.You did not recite it..even if you could read German..you can’t read that handwriting..what you read of Marx is second sourced..hearsay
The bookshe wrote were published by a publisher and typed, obviously. What a ridiculous red herring.
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Regardless, individual liberty for all, is a primary/foundational tenet of Marxism.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Marx did not type his own books.He didn't publish his hand written notes.
The bookshe wrote were typed and published by a publisher, obviously. What a ridiculous red herring.
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The bookshe wrote were typed and published by a publisher, obviously. What a ridiculous red herring.
Just lol
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