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post 1446603023 06-08-2016, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted By JewishSuperHero⏩
100 years ago wearing makeup was considered masculine. What's considered masculine and feminine changes all the time. Gender is most definitely a social construct.
Makeup may be a social construct, but gender in general is not. That's why babies only weeks old can be shown to have certain predilections towards certain types of toys. Boys gravitate towards building blocks, toy trucks, etc. Girls go for the dolls. I'm pretty sure that wasn't socialized into them.
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Originally Posted By Ultimate
There is no answer to this question, because like you posted earlier, it has never been implemented correctly. Communism at its core is simply sharing things rather then trading things. I think it could work if you had a democratically elected, term serving meritocratic councils which coordinate the beast. BUT you would also have to have veritably all the resources on Earth at your disposal. If those 2 criteria could be met, I think communism would be immensely better for our species, and despite what everyone here is saying (that we would be equally poor), quite the opposite would be true because we DO have the resources for it to be true. It's just a matter of proper implementation, structure, and execution. Going further, if the entire globe were united we could make government completely transparent (no state secrets to protect), and thus avoid corruption entirely.
I prefer communism as a model but implementation is too difficult. In the future, the more we can increase efficiency, production, and decrease human error, which we're headed towards, communism becomes a more and more viable possibility. I'm with capitalism now but I can see that shifting in the future when we get further a long.
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Originally Posted By Spill512⏩
I prefer communism as a model but implementation is too difficult. In the future, the more we can increase efficiency, production, and decrease human error, which we're headed towards, communism becomes a more and more viable possibility. I'm with capitalism now but I can see that shifting in the future when we get further a long.
That could have been an argument 100 years ago but not today.
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post 1446606833 06-08-2016, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted By KRANE⏩
That could have been an argument 100 years ago but not today.
We still waste a third of the food we produce. We waste trillions of gallons of water due in large part to problems in technology (leaks, etc). There's still a bunch of problems in government, corruption, and we need to find ways to delegate certain responsibilities to AI or else it'll always be that way. There's still huge limitations with distribution. Obviously energy consumption and getting the most out of our resources there is still something we've barely tackled.

There's still a long way to go with increasing efficiency. Right now I don't trust the infrastructure we have to implement a communist government effectively. I think it's stupid that someone can have a billion dollars, throwing away food, and another person can be desperate and starving. That doesn't make sense to me. But I don't trust the alternative at the moment.
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Originally Posted By Spill512⏩
We still waste a third of the food we produce. We waste trillions of gallons of water due in large part to problems in technology (leaks, etc). There's still a bunch of problems in government, corruption, and we need to find ways to delegate certain responsibilities to AI or else it'll always be that way. There's still huge limitations with distribution. Obviously energy consumption and getting the most out of our resources there is still something we've barely tackled.

There's still a long way to go with increasing efficiency. Right now I don't trust the infrastructure we have to implement a communist government effectively. I think it's stupid that someone can have a billion dollars, throwing away food, and another person can be desperate and starving. That doesn't make sense to me. But I don't trust the alternative at the moment.
We produce enough food for the entire world to eat a caloric surplus. Yet two billion people are malnourished. Capitalism at work.
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That's abundantly obvious son.
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Communism is very close to an economic and ideological system that might save this gay earth. Just close but not quite there.
In any case, it was too early to attempt any kind of communist economic theory in the 1930s, and then the cold war diverted more precious resources from that goal until the late 80s.
Now is a better time with all the production automation technologies available to attempt anything resembling communism.
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
Makeup may be a social construct, but gender in general is not. That's why babies only weeks old can be shown to have certain predilections towards certain types of toys. Boys gravitate towards building blocks, toy trucks, etc. Girls go for the dolls. I'm pretty sure that wasn't socialized into them.
I wouldn't bother with him...

Gender IS NOT a social construct

If you are born with a penor, have xy chromosomes then you are a male,

or, if you are born with a vagina, have xx chromosomes then you are a female!

(not including abnormalities, like Turner syndrome, etc)
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Originally Posted By Nomadbrah⏩
Communism is very close to an economic and ideological system that might save this gay earth. Just close but not quite there.
In any case, it was too early to attempt any kind of communist economic theory in the 1930s, and then the cold war diverted more precious resources from that goal until the late 80s.
Now is a better time with all the production automation technologies available to attempt anything resembling communism.
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Originally Posted By DoWorkSon515⏩
We produce enough food for the entire world to eat a caloric surplus. Yet two billion people are malnourished. Capitalism at work.
You want true evil? Look no further than the pharmaceutical industry. Why cure anything when we can make countless billions selling you stuff that only masks the symptoms. That's the beauty of capitalism.
Originally Posted By CaseyJamess⏩
I wouldn't bother with him...

Gender IS NOT a social construct

If you are born with a penor, have xy chromosomes then you are a male,

or, if you are born with a vagina, have xx chromosomes then you are a female!

(not including abnormalities, like Turner syndrome, etc)
Enter the 21 Century? For social and scientific reason the above no longer applies.
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It comes down to this simple truth.

Private ownership is one of mankind's basic fundamental rights.

Communism on small scales will work, sure. If you and others want to enter into a social contract to share your property without coercion, then fine. Do it. Share your ****.

However, as a system of government, Communism blows because a person is coerced, though the threat of violence, to give up his or her private property by the state.
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Originally Posted By CaseyJamess⏩
I wouldn't bother with him...

Gender IS NOT a social construct

If you are born with a penor, have xy chromosomes then you are a male,

or, if you are born with a vagina, have xx chromosomes then you are a female!

(not including abnormalities, like Turner syndrome, etc)
Gender IS a social construct.

You're thinking of sex. Sex is biological.

Gender is what mankind has deemed as appropriate social behavior for biological boys and girls.

If you raised a biological male and biological female in a socially sterile environment, they won't the first clue as how to act if they were released into the world. They wouldn't know what to wear. They wouldn't know what hobbies to enjoy or professions to pursue.

They would be completely gender neutral until they were smart enough to figure how that society is more accepting of you if you act a certain way depending on your biological sex.

Haircut preference, clothing preference, toy preference, etc aren't provided by nature. They're created by people.
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Originally Posted By KRANE⏩
Enter the 21 Century? For social and scientific reason the above no longer applies.
Originally Posted By sknot1454⏩
Gender IS a social construct.

You're thinking of sex. Sex is biological.

Gender is what mankind has deemed as appropriate social behavior for biological boys and girls.

If you raised a biological male and biological female in a socially sterile environment, they won't the first clue as how to act if they were released into the world. They wouldn't know what to wear. They wouldn't know what hobbies to enjoy or professions to pursue.

They would be completely gender neutral until they were smart enough to figure how that society is more accepting of you if you act a certain way depending on your biological sex.
Ok, I admittedly misread what I was initially quoting and acted like a potato.

My bad

Surely though, 'gender' as it is today came because of our sex?! No?

Males being more suited for hunting, being breadwinners etc down the line this 'naturally' evolved to men being ones going out to work etc?

If there is no hard science about it and it's just pseudo science from psychology I'm not gunna buy into that **** at all.
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post 1446614893 06-08-2016, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted By sknot1454⏩
Gender IS a social construct.

You're thinking of sex. Sex is biological.

Gender is what mankind has deemed as appropriate social behavior for biological boys and girls.

If you raised a biological male and biological female in a socially sterile environment, they won't the first clue as how to act if they were released into the world. They wouldn't know what to wear. They wouldn't know what hobbies to enjoy or professions to pursue.

They would be completely gender neutral until they were smart enough to figure how that society is more accepting of you if you act a certain way depending on your biological sex.

Haircut preference, clothing preference, toy preference, etc aren't provided by nature. They're created by people.
I suspect there may be a bit of predisposition baked in.
Originally Posted By CaseyJamess⏩
Ok, I admittedly misread what I was initially quoting and acted like a potato.

My bad

Surely though, 'gender' as it is today came because of our sex?! No?

Males being more suited for hunting, being breadwinners etc down the line this 'naturally' evolved to men being ones going out to work etc?

If there is no hard science about it and it's just pseudo science from psychology I'm not gunna buy into that **** at all.
I wouldn't discard psychology completely. There's still many good things to be learned once we become a bit more advanced with how to use and analyze it.

In the mean time, I'm stanch believer in the division of sexes. Nature usually does it right for a reason. We just sometimes need to catch up. But were' getting off topic a bit aren't we?
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Don't know if this was posted already. Look up Milton Friedman. He'll answer your question.
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read sign op.


socialists want to control your money.

communists want to control your birth/thought/life and death.


it just screams ignorance when a idiot defend this kind of regime. it's usually the first people that get wiped out on this type of rule.

just shows you how retarded they are.

they don't know history, much less economy. they advocate for their own death, poverty and misery.
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Originally Posted By CaseyJamess⏩
Ok, I admittedly misread what I was initially quoting and acted like a potato.

My bad

Surely though, 'gender' as it is today came because of our sex?! No?

Males being more suited for hunting, being breadwinners etc down the line this 'naturally' evolved to men being ones going out to work etc?

If there is no hard science about it and it's just pseudo science from psychology I'm not gunna buy into that **** at all.
What is the #2 thing we associate with gender today other than their actual sex? Appearance, right? We truly have no idea what's in someone's pants, but their outside appearances are generally indicators of their sex. Males dress like males. Females dress like females.

That's entirely social. That's not biological.

I have set to see scientific evidence that traditional preferred gender appearances are provided by nature, not by nurture. Maybe one can argue that the way females dress accentuates their breasts/hips thus making males more likely to find a mate, but that hasn't been proven to my knowledge. Also, this forum, filled with guys who would cut a nut off just to **** a 5/10 in a burlap sack, kind of validates the point in a whimsical way.

The only studies I've seen are done with male/female primates who gravitate towards certain toys. I wouldn't say the preferred toy choice in non-humans is valid enough evidence that "gender" is indeed biological.
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Under capitalism, some people are rich and powerful and some people are poor and powerless.

Under communism, the wealth is destroyed and misery is distributed equally to nearly everyone.
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Originally Posted By ANumber1⏩
Under capitalism, some people are rich and powerful and some people are poor and powerless.

Under communism, the wealth is destroyed and misery is distributed equally to nearly everyone.
Except someone inevitably has to be in charge. What do you call them?
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we have big appetite and greed as part of human nature
its in our DNA to want more and more
thats why communism can never work
thats why equality will never exist
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Because capitalism enforces incentives to work/production.

That's it really. Communism doesn't have this effect. Why strive to create? Why strive to get an education? The society wouldn't grow.
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communism is unethical, brb forcing everyone to work for me because I am alive. Capitalism allows people to do what they want and is mutally agreeable.

ex.
communist: kid becomes doctor, has to treat everyone based on fact that he understands medicine, one is happy, doctor is pissed because he has 0 economic libido and wants to go home.
Capitalism: engineer designs circuit in exchange for your gf and food coupons, agreed upon, has freedom, both happy.
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