Originally Posted By ****liShred⏩

leaving out the part where that 200k is earned on a subcontract bases ? you get paid per job, no apointments today ? you dont eat and still pay rent for the chairso you cant compare this to a job where you get paid 200k probably without superannuation to a job that pays you per hour

its not that easy to graduate and land a job in a good metropolitan clinic that will train you to do pros. anyway, why should they get a grad to train when theres a influx of overseas dentists in australia ? its possible but not as easy as you make it out

not getting enough patients in ? you get the boot then that 200k ad on seek is up again lol

starting salary for a dentist is 60k, thats if you even find an openning for a grad. Family friends of ours are dentists, guy makes 150ish working as dentist in a prison with SEVERAL years of experience, hes heavily involved in academics too so nice try lol

http://www0.health.nsw.gov.au/archiv...IB2008_056.pdf

^^ link to NSW health award wages lol

Award wages, which are stipulated for public sector health awards

Yes, and given that private dental offices are often always booked out, I don't see why that is so relevant?

Patients wanting to go to Sydney Dental Hospital (public), have to typically wait 3 years. Lol just lol.

Re: Overseas trained dentists - the federal government recently made the shift to BLOCK overseas trained dentists from getting a working visa over here, and protect local graduates.

Re: starting salary... lmao @ $60k. My friends who graduated in 2015 have all found full-time employment around Australia. Two of them who I questioned about their salary stated $90k. This was in Western AustraliaThere is a difference in starting salary of dentists in Australia, in each state. From what I've seen, Eastern states grads don't fare as well compared to WA.

More evidence to the contrary of the paltry "60k" you posted. Here is a job ad for a dentist to enlist in the defence force. These award rates are consistent with general dental grad full-time salaries around Australia -

https://www.seek.com.au/job/31956187...2&whereid=3000

$97k PLUS super, first year out of dental school. One of my mates is sponsored by the navy at the moment (scholarship), while in dental school. He's earning $63k/year (tax free), has his books etc all paid off, and will have a guaranteed job of just under $100k when he graduates. Don't give me this "paid per chair" bollocks lmfao. Upon graduation and active enlistment will be paid PER HOUR.

Originally Posted By InfinityThor⏩

No need to get so defensive, it's just not something that really captures the general public.

Everyone knows it's hard and that they make good money, but besides that most people hate dentists and want to avoid them at all costs.

I'm not being defensive, but joining in the collective humour... with some sarcasm.

Originally Posted By inq⏩

Should be obvious m8 but OP and the discussion is US-centric. In the states, both pharmacy and dentistry are doctorate degrees ie not "straight out of college [undergrad]".

But yeah PharmD grads make starting $100k-$130k in my area in south US, depending on hospital vs retail. As young as 24yo. I know this because I work in pharmacy finance.

Dentists can have a higher salary long term though. Both great professions alternative to "that other Doctor".

Well it's good to know that pharmacists do better in the states than here. IMO, they deserve much better than the current condition in Australia. Any high schoolers in Australia wanting to go into pharmacy thinking it's the gold-mine it used to be are kidding themselves.

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Originally Posted By Canadian_Lifter⏩

Probably completely oblivious as to how medicine is run in the US as well. Suicide rate in Australia is absolutely not what I'm referring to. I spoke generally as I view many miscers to be from the US - my mistake.

Suicide rate is much higher here. It's a problem. A huge problem.

I've heard about how medicine is run in the US. I have a cousin who is a doctor practicing there. It's certainly not a perfect system, and I have heard about the suicide issue.

One of my friends who was a doctor, also killed himself.

Originally Posted By ****liShred⏩

lol then edit out all of your posts and say "to get near 100k as a grad dentist, move to WA or join the military if you want superannuation"
I couldve moved to WA and easily make over 100k as a graduate casual agency nurse, but I wont shout it every chance I get without mentionning the conditions because its misleading. Not sure how far you are in your course, but without your stripes at an education focused hospital/clinic, you'll struggle to get those 200k jobs you want so bad because you'd be useless.

Why should I? It's the truth.... something quite a few of you ITT can't handle lol.

$100k as a graduate casual agency nurse? You must be smoking crack if you think you'll get anywhere near that as a new graduate nurse.

"without your stripes at an education focused hospital/clinic".... I don't quite know what nonsense this is lmao - as long as you have successfully completed a dental degree, and worked for 1-2 years and covered most areas of general dentistry - you can land a job like that here as a recent dental graduate.

What hospital isn't "education focused"? Lmfao.

Originally Posted By Bluku⏩

Show me a TV series where dentists are portrayed as cool, sharp-talking professionals (hint:you can't). This is why dentistry isn't associated with prestige. It might be in the bubble you exist in, but not with the GENERAL public.

Most of us have been comforted by a doctor. Couple that with TV shows like House, ER etc. Brb doctors played by George Clooney.

Pop culture has portrayed lawyers as highly paid, sharp-talking suits that earn their money through wit and argument.

Who the phuck likes going to the dentist? There is nothing sexy about dirty mouths.. kids who have to endure braces.. etc.Also, don't dentists have one of the highest suicide rates?

The supposedly sky-high suicide rate of dentists is actually something of a misnomer, perpetuated by rumours and stereotypes. The suicide rate in proportion with practicing dentists in Australia is actually not as high compared to other fields such as medicine.

The suicide rate for laborers/tradies is disturbingly high...

Some people do like going to the dentistRe: TV shows, of course medicine will be shown to be very glamorous. It's the most noble of professions, and their job involves dealing with people living/dying on a regular basis. Perfect cocktail for a drama series.

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Originally Posted By InfinityThor⏩

If graduate dentistry is 4 years and has the similar entry requirements, why not just go medicine?

I can understand people doing the 5 year undergraduate, but screw doing 7+ years for dentistry when you can do medicine instead.

Good question.

Some of us don't want to deal with people in a life or death scenario on a daily basis. I can certainly see the rewarding nature of medicine etc, but it's not for me. I've worked with doctors in various areas such as - cardiology/sleep medicine/occupational medicine/haematology/GP. From what I observed, it's an excellent field to grow into. The specialists will typically be the very brilliant sorts of minds, who like the intense/high stress atmosphere of their specialty, solving problems etc. Still though - I didn't like the stress.

- I like using my hands
- I also like medicine/science/technology
- Mouths and teeth don't bother me at all
- I empathize with people having dental issues, having been through a few when I was growing up
- I'd like to be in charge of my own practice one day
- Dentists also make a significant change in peoples day to day lives. Just ask someone with a severe malocclusion or dental abscess. Try going to a medical doctor and see how much "good" they can do for you here while you're in agonizing pain lmfao. Inb4 "here's a prescription for painkillers"
- Excellent work/life balance compared to the horrendous balance a doctor would go through, in their hospital training.
- Raising a family - much easier for a dentist... in terms of time being around kids etc
- Doctors are only ever really independent, once they become a consultant in their field of expertise (including general practice)
- Once you finish medical school... don't even think about putting down the books. You'll have AT LEAST another 5-15 years of study to go, depending on what field you want to enter. GP is the quickest... while other fields like neurosurgery and paediatric neurology would easily take up many more years....
- Once you graduate as a dentist, you are free to practice as a fully qualified general dentist
- There are opportunities for specialization, if a dentist feels the inclination.If a dentist is feeling really masochistic... they could then study medicine, and become a maxillo-facial surgeon.These guys get paid the big bucks, yet deal with VERY serious things such as people who have been in car crashes (head/neck smashed up) etc.

Most people in my course will be fully qualified at ~27/28 years of age... while my medical student friends will only be truly finished (reached "consultant" status), when they are ~35 at the earliestWe do only get to live a finite amount of time in our lives - to me, the time I spend with my family is too precious.

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Originally Posted By theRealGriNC⏩

I feel like i'm being trolled. If not, I can't imagine being around this guy irl lol

Hehe ty men. Life of the party.. just ask the security officers at my college.

Originally Posted By kaebow⏩

How tough is dental school btw? Do you still have time to hit the gym 4~5x a week and go out on the weekend if you manage your time well?

Time management is EVERYTHING. If you manage your time each day to set aside essential study - you can fit things around that.

A 2nd year DMD student recently competed in local/state/national bodybuilding competitions and took out 1st/2nd place. Whenever I bump into him, he's always a happy and well-adjusted guy.

To answer the other part of your question - at my university, the dental school program is significantly more demanding than the medical school program.Long story short... we have 13 exams at the end of this year. The medical students have 2 exams.

Nuff said?



It's cute hearing med students complain about their workload...

Originally Posted By SurgeonBrah⏩

TLDR - Fro feels anger at supposed lack of respect for dental profession. Tries to justify position with statistics to back up his claims. Is like Milo Yiannopolous vs feminists, Surgeonbrah feels sorry for him but is somewhat amused at the genuine rage portrayed in his posts.
Still a good chance to take the piss out of a Dentist though... All in good humour!

Nice song, spend a few hours writing that up just for me? Aww shucks, that's too sweet.

you did 2 years of anatomy and physiology?

We also do - cardiology, neurology, pharmacology, infectious diseases, pathology, biochemistry, physiology, head and neck anatomy (in more detail than medical students), respiratory medicine, gastrointestinal system, immunology, histology, anaesthesia, embryology, haematology.... to name a few. If we also count my previous 4 degrees, that would amount to a bit over 5 years worth of anatomy and physiology. No hate - information, not misinformation



This video is scarily accurate. Lmfao

All in good fun...



My posts are now about genuine questions.

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