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Thread: My experience with the Verticla Diet by Stan Efferding.

post 1549579291 04-20-2018, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted By badbl00d⏩
Hey Arn, what's a day of eating like for you?
Doing a bit of a recomp/cut currently. Gym weight is holding steady around 250lbs and I'm slowly leaning out

6oz meat
1 cup rice
Carrots/cucumbers
4oz pure cranberry juice

6oz meat
1 cup rice
Carrots/cucumbers
4oz pure orange juice

6oz meat
1 cup rice
Carrots/cucumbers
4oz pure orange juice

6oz meat
1 cup rice
Carrots/cucumbers
4oz pure orange juice

6oz meat
1 cup rice
Spinach (this gets replaced with half a sweet potato on workout days)
4oz pure orange juice
1 whole milk yogurt

That's every day during the week. On weekends I'll combine a few meals and sub in eggs and fish for protein sources for 2 meals on both days
Originally Posted By Schnitzl⏩
And you missed what I said completely. I'll make it simple for you to grasp then, instead of looking at diets as black and white, we should be looking at physiological factors influencing individual response to different foods and narrowing it down from there. Not sure why you are picking an argument since I didn't criticize the current topic.
I'm not picking an argument with you. I'm sorry you took it that way. Your posts are confusing and vague.

That's exactly what this diet does. Its based on science, broscience and anecdotal responses from someone that coaches many advanced athletes and has a lot of personal experience

Its not always practical or prudent to rely on scientific studies. Often the people in these studies are normal people off the street. Stan is dealing with highly advanced athletes. Sometime experimental and anecdotal broscience is the best we have. Some of this stuff my not apply to normal people due to practicality but they aren't seeking or sacrificing for optimization.
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For those on the actual vertical diet how long did it take before you noticed improvements from the change in diet?
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The key take away I took from it was eating foods that are easy on my stomach/don't cause much bloat. That aspect was invaluable tbh.
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
This diet is primarily based around red meat (Bison, Top Sirloin, Top Cuts) and white rice. I am definitely enjoying it more than try to get my macros in chicken and fish.

Stan's quote about chicken : " Have you ever seen a big chicken?"
It's a decent diet approach, no real issues with it outside of nitpicking. But holy autism at that quote. brb gorillas are huge and they don't eat meat. herp derp
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Bumping an old thread. I had been religious following the diet from the start of this thread to 2 weeks ago. I planned on going back to a diet with much more lean meat like chicken/tuna due to having issues hitting my macros while cutting. After two weeks I can confidently say the vertical diet is superior in every way. The difference in how I've felt is astounding. More gas, uneasy stomach, fatigue faster, ect. This is eating very clean too.

I worked my food around after actually messaging Stan. Will be using 93/7 Beef instead of Sirloin to save on calories, adding in 1 egg per meal, and doing both white rice with a little sweet potatoes in my meals to keep my carbs up and save calories.

Cliffs: Diet is legit.
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
Bumping an old thread. I had been religious following the diet from the start of this thread to 2 weeks ago. I planned on going back to a diet with much more lean meat like chicken/tuna due to having issues hitting my macros while cutting. After two weeks I can confidently say the vertical diet is superior in every way. The difference in how I've felt is astounding. More gas, uneasy stomach, fatigue faster, ect. This is eating very clean too.

I worked my food around after actually messaging Stan. Will be using 93/7 Beef instead of Sirloin to save on calories, adding in 1 egg per meal, and doing both white rice with a little sweet potatoes in my meals to keep my carbs up and save calories.

Cliffs: Diet is legit.
I did the VD for a few months, and yes, i felt good and it was easy getting my calories in. However, at my annual physical my doctor was very unhappy with my bloodwork. Maybe some people out there don't get affected by eating so much red meat, but i did. Forgot what my LDL was but it was a good amount out of range on the high side. Long story short, stopped the VD.
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why all the salt
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Originally Posted By sandaltan⏩
why all the salt
Tons of benefits for people who train hard. Hydration, endurance, pump..... Stan has a video on it on youtube.

This is not a diet for a casual or non lifter really.
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Originally Posted By GM54⏩
I did the VD for a few months, and yes, i felt good and it was easy getting my calories in. However, at my annual physical my doctor was very unhappy with my bloodwork. Maybe some people out there don't get affected by eating so much red meat, but i did. Forgot what my LDL was but it was a good amount out of range on the high side. Long story short, stopped the VD.
Do you recall your daily diet layout? I'd be interested to know what exactly you ate daily.
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Originally Posted By Jax05⏩
Cliffs on why 8000mg of sodium?
Sodium in certain amounts is a vital nutrient for the body, but also helps with pumps too.
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What’s the opinion on replacing steak with lean ground beef?

My LDL has dropped from 136 to 106 in 6 months and I still mostly eat red meat, fwiw
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since when is pooping once a day considered healthy?

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Originally Posted By AshWar⏩
What’s the opinion on replacing steak with lean ground beef?

My LDL has dropped from 136 to 106 in 6 months and I still mostly eat red meat, fwiw
I'm doing this now for my cut. I had to go to 93/7 to make it fit my calories. Stan's website offers ground beef monster mash, and he's stated its not a big deal a few times. Sirloin and Bison are always preferred though.
Originally Posted By umadbroski⏩
since when is pooping once a day considered healthy?

strong fiber goals.
If you're going more than 1-2x a day your body isn't absorbing a lot of the nutrients from the food you eat.
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Originally Posted By AshWar⏩
What’s the opinion on replacing steak with lean ground beef?

My LDL has dropped from 136 to 106 in 6 months and I still mostly eat red meat, fwiw
Stan said in an interview that if you are budget limited, then ground meat is just fine.
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
Do you recall your daily diet layout? I'd be interested to know what exactly you ate daily.
I went pretty much right out of the VD & PP 2.0 manual.

-3 eggs, (forgot how many oz of whites), shredded chedder cheese. coffee
-greek yogurt/scoop of protein
-beef/rice
-beef/rice, scoop of some powedered greens stuff in 4oz oj, small sweet potato.
-whatever my wife made for dinner, but it would be in line with the diet.

Further to what I mentioned above, although i still go to the gym 4 to 5x a week for an hour at a time, bodybuilding/powerlifting lifestyle is not a priority for me anymore. Still trying to make all the gains I can, but diet wise, makes more sense for me to stick to something sensible i can basically stick to year round. My job makes it extremely difficult to get meals in at the right times. Can't tell you how many times I got stuck eating my mid-morning meal with lunch because I had to miss it for a meeting or something.
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
I'm doing this now for my cut. I had to go to 93/7 to make it fit my calories. Stan's website offers ground beef monster mash, and he's stated its not a big deal a few times. Sirloin and Bison are always preferred though.



If you're going more than 1-2x a day your body isn't absorbing a lot of the nutrients from the food you eat.
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Originally Posted By GM54⏩
I went pretty much right out of the VD & PP 2.0 manual.

-3 eggs, (forgot how many oz of whites), shredded chedder cheese. coffee
-greek yogurt/scoop of protein
-beef/rice
-beef/rice, scoop of some powedered greens stuff in 4oz oj, small sweet potato.
-whatever my wife made for dinner, but it would be in line with the diet.

Further to what I mentioned above, although i still go to the gym 4 to 5x a week for an hour at a time, bodybuilding/powerlifting lifestyle is not a priority for me anymore. Still trying to make all the gains I can, but diet wise, makes more sense for me to stick to something sensible i can basically stick to year round. My job makes it extremely difficult to get meals in at the right times. Can't tell you how many times I got stuck eating my mid-morning meal with lunch because I had to miss it for a meeting or something.
I do need to get my bloodwork done this year. I will be interested to see what it says. I did not get any last year due.
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didn't realize this was a 2018 thread at first. Thanks for sharing, OP. Going to look into this diet for my cut
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Basically started adding more salt to everything again with my usual diet. See how I feel.

I was actually salting my water half a year ago but my gf scared me that it was raising my bp.

Will try to increase salt for a week and check it again.

The first day I salted my water I got insane headaches, just the body adjusting to the salt content?
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I got some bloating when I first started salting foods/water/using the salt Thermotabs, but it went away. Working out 6 days a week average now PPL with vertical diet and no adverse effects on BP, completely normal range.
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Originally Posted By TreyTrey⏩
Basically started adding more salt to everything again with my usual diet. See how I feel.

I was actually salting my water half a year ago but my gf scared me that it was raising my bp.

Will try to increase salt for a week and check it again.

The first day I salted my water I got insane headaches, just the body adjusting to the salt content?
Not sure, I had no issue with upping my salt minus some bloat initially that went away quick.
Originally Posted By jeshelton⏩
I got some bloating when I first started salting foods/water/using the salt Thermotabs, but it went away. Working out 6 days a week average now PPL with vertical diet and no adverse effects on BP, completely normal range.
great to hear bro!
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Originally Posted By arn710⏩
Eating nutrient dense, easily digestible foods is needlessly complicated?

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Thread made me think I haven't seen Arn post lately.
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thats just called eating clean
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Haven't seen many women's takes on this diet, but giving it a trial this week to see if it works for me. Recently added a lot of volume to my lifting sessions to grow this powerlifting off-season so hopeful this helps me out
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Excellent thread OP. Thanks for sharing and thanks for the update back in April.
My wife and I did it a while ago and noticed results pretty quickly. Forget why we stopped actually.
Since then we have been doing keto and IF. I always liked keto (say what you will). Anyway, I am getting close to where I want to be (nothing special, just leaner than I've ever been). Once there, I am interested in getting in some carbs to try and "fill out" without getting too fat again. VD has been going through my head again. I love ground beef and white rice. I also liked the OJ and I could literally "feel" the 4oz of cranberry juice in the mornings. I looked forward to my daily yogurt too.
Again, thanks for sharing.
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" buy the actual detailed program"

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Seems like it would be easy to stick to. Who the fuk doesn't love steak or ground bison with rice and lots of salt.


My only concern would be that the dietary fiber is so that long term it might be a bit of a risk for cardiac health.
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