I wasn't wrong...She's the prettiest imho.

Kimi Raikkonen commented on how much more difficult it is than it looks after his short (unsuccessful) stint. No professional racing is easy. It's physically and mentally tiring.Except for when when you fuk up IRL you can die. It also gets hot inside race cars depending on the outside temp. There are a lot of factors a sim doesn't recreate but they do help hone technical skills.

I hope she makes a full recovery

Oh I absolutely agree that it is very demanding and takes a ton of skill, but once you have nailed all the hard parts, the only real variable is track length and banking angle from weekend to weekend. F1 has all kinds of different tracks, tire compounds, wet weather, etc.Really? A Z4 and a CL63? Have you ever pushed a proper supercar to its limits in real life?

Sims are a GREAT tool, no doubt. But saying you are good at one does not mean you will be good at another. Take Nicolas Hamilton for example... great driver on sims but has struggled in real cars. There is also Jann Mardenborough who has made good success in the real world coming from sims, but there isn't some fantasy total domination like you speak of.

You remind me of the people that play free poker and win those tournaments.

You know why the simulator means nothing? Because you can't die.

Same thing in free poker. There's nothing on the line so they play differently.

Same thing even happened in an experiment several years ago here locally.

They brought in some competitive shooters to go against Delta Force members.

I think they used lasers and the competitive shooters won.

Then they introduced severe pain into the equation for everytime you got hit and the Delta guys killed them.

When there's something on the line people change.

Well that's enough for me to know the physics of cars. You realize a supercar is actually easier to drive because it has more grip and performs better right?

Like a supercar compared to a CL63 is the same thing just faster. Is that gonna be the tipping point where I realize, oh man! this is too intense! its 50mph faster than the fastest car I drove, what about the sims!! they cant simulate this!!

lol, do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? The point is the physics modeling is accurate, what works in sims works in real life and vice versa, and the tracks are laser scanned accurate within a 1/1000 of an inch.

I have also driven retard strength 5.0 mustangs with brutal crazy power and no grip, and also drove an old 70s turbo charged and modded porsche that felt like they would combust like a rocket taking it way over 100mph on a country road so even the violence of the brutality I have experienced, I get it, its just a physics model like any other, and in the main categories of car types, theres only a few archetypes, once you understand all of them they all kinda blur together and are just various variables that are all similar in scope for that car type and class.

Jann Mardenborough is from an early Gran Turismo era when we were still asking the question, can they translate? This was before all the tech we have today in hardware (mainly the evolution of the pedals and Direct Drive (motorized) wheels) and the evolution of sims. Back then AC didnt exist, iracing was in its infancy still gaining respect, and rfactor was generic and basic as crap.

Now today its not even a question if sim skills translate, in fact, you cant really compete anymore if you dont supplement your driving (which costs like 10k an hour and is limited), with unlimited sim work. They are coming closer to the limit than they used to.

Yes free poker people are way more loose and take risks to take advantage of.

Not to burst the bubble of your logic but your free poker analogy could be replaced with real money poker online, (like how some pros play multiple online money games at a time to grind)

and in that case you could say you can supplement your real life poker with money poker quite accurately.

and then to further support my analogy its easier in real life because you can see other people and work off their tells, kinda like irl youre behind the wheel of a motor vehicle you can feel the g forces and ground in your seat which all feeds into your information for spatial awareness.

So there is no difference between doing a hotlap on a sim where you are trying your best or out on a track trying your best. In neither case are you not trying your best.

In real life drivers dont think about not crashing you realize that right? And also driving on the limit doesnt mean driving on the limit of control, its driving on the limit of quickness which is totally different, you dont really risk crashing by trying to go your quickest, because the fastest lap will usually be the cleanest one as well on most courses.

Holy fukk when did the misc get so fukken soft.

"Omg she broke her spine don't be sexist omg too early for jokes u guys suk!!!!!!"

Bunch of slack jawed *******s around here these days I swear.

I broke my neck 4 months ago and made jokes about it the same night fukk off you whining *******s. Seriously fukk right off the misc.

Cracks fingers.

Actually female rates are higher past 25.

Male age 16-25 pay around 12% more.

Once 25 hits it jumps to around 1% higher for female. Some states aren’t allowed to rate via gender either.

This.

I mean, we all know by now she’s going to be fine, at least physically. If she had died and the thread was still going this way it’d be pretty phucked. That said, I lol’d hard at some of the comments here

A more accurate poker comparison would be online real money poker vs. live real money poker. Interestingly enough, during the moneymaker boom all the live pros said over and over that online players sucked and would never compete vs top live pros. A decade and half later online players dominate... all the software and simulation tools enhanced their abilities exponentially. I don't see why the same results wouldn't happen in race car driving. Heck, it wouldn't surprise me if someone came up with an AI program that learned to drive better than a human and was able to explain what it did better and why.

Reminds me of the documentary on the AI beating the top GO player and how the top players, scientists, and programmers were baffled at plays the AI would make ... yet were correct. Inb4 an AI figures out how to improve driving in ways that humans never thought possible.

What about it is physically demanding? I'm not challenging that statement I'm genuinely curious.

V tec kicked in at the wrong time

repped

Yes, Michael Schumacher was the product of status and circumstance, all dat dere german farmers son status.
Lewis Hamilton too, all that black kid from a council estate in fk knows where UK status.
Because it's nothing to do with talent, all the talented racing drivers don't actually drive racing cars they're undiscovered in some bedroom playing rFactor.

Don't even get me ****ing started on your little statement about how racing drivers don't feel fear. Ayrton Senna displayed a tonne of fear at Adelaide, waving frantically from his car to try get them to red flag it.
Lauda pulling off at Fiji because he didn't think it was safe, that's not fear though, just muscle memory.

Literally the biggest mong on the forum you are.

Nice history lessons but you realize they changed safety regulations after Senna right?

Nobody died since then.

We are over here talking about modern motorsport evolutions and youre stuck on some sauced up romance version of what racing used to be.

You didnt even bother to ask if I think racing was more difficult back in the crazy early days, I do think so.

But today the cars and tracks are obviously engineered to be much more safe and got their organizations together.

If you lose control today, each corner is designed to be safe one way or another.

The gforces in auto racing are relentless. You need a strong core to deal with that sort of force for extended periods of time. No amount of bracing or strapping in can alleviate it. Concentrating through 3g corners for two hours in F1 isn't something most people can do.

Look at the necks of F1 drivers. Also, just go drive a kart that tops out at 30mph around a tight track for just 15 minutes. You'll be amazed at how physically demanding it is. Those drivers lose several pounds of weight (mostly water) throughout a race and are exhausted at the end. Ernest Hemingway said, "There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games."

This. I've raced in go-karts twice and those alone can be physically demanding if you race hard.

I've been in a 20hp electric that did 45-50mph, and a 2-stroke (i think) that did about 65mph. In the two-stroke I was racing this older guy who was a regular go-kart racer, and trying to win. By the end of the first race my grip strength was completely shot and my neck was pretty weak. And those aren't even the middle of the pack in terms of karting speed

Erm.... Jules Bianchi


lmao

Again, maybe to civilians that would be something special but to me they are just Manlets who barely lift. They get race ready by doing pull ups and and neck-ups and cycling why would someone like me who is made of steel after so much heavy lifting be impressed by that.

Just like those manlets who merely excercise to get to that medium level of fitness so could any of us, so can 17 year girls and younger.

Sure it’s uncomfortable, but that doesn’t inspire sportsman glory in my mind.

They suffer through the uncomfortable feelings because the tunnel vision they get into is a natural euphoric high. Senna used to OD on that euphoria all the time.

It’s like when you’re lifting but you’re amped up on adrenaline and PWO do you really care about the stress? It can actually feel good. In an F1 car it’s addicting and exhilarating.

Ok one freak accident. The point is that there are many measures both on the car and track that make is safe these days.

Back in the day being a racer meant being a daredevil and yes they were more crazy. You had to be insane and people respected their insanity as heroic and went to see potential deaths.

I’m more into the physics and science of being quick. The ones who are cerebral impress me the most.

In a sim you aren't faced with the physical prospect of burying it in the wall that's 15 yards away at 100mph if the car doesn't hold or breaks loose on you when you throw it into the corner in front of you. Been there done that, just fuking lol at people who try to say sims are somehow equal. Chit is a joke, go race for real and then tell me I'm wrong. They have their uses but they aren't a substitute. Also people don't understand what srs G-forces feel like either.

they have rich dads who dont have sons