I agree.

This is almost the same as "Just go outside if you have depression" sort of logic. Even those who DO take personal responsibility for their own stuff still get the crap end of the stick. Denying that the social climate has changed in the past 5-10 years is woefully ignorant.

Time will correct all of this bs though. Sucks our generation has to go through this depressive era.

[QUOTE=****inator post_id=1581243281]You retarded mongoloid.

35 and illiterate;

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/U9u2OR2.jpg[IMG][/QUOTE]I've commented on this before.

1) They give zero information on how representative this survey was when it was taken in 2018. If most of the survey takers were 21 as opposed to 28, the numbers are going to be skewed.

2) *******s are included in this survey. Again, it skews the numbers.

3) That's not 1/3.

4) I was referring to this survey:

[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D205FUnU8AI6FyY.jpg[/img]

But what can one expect from a ******* as red in real life as he is on the misc.

This has nothing to do with the women vs men dynamic that's BS. That's just further division caused by the cultural wars being waged by capitalism and globalization. All those problems that all of you are perceiving are caused by the hyper individualist ideology that we live in, this capitalist, me vs the world ideology where the individual is the most and ultimate being and everyone else but you is competition.

We are social tribal beings, we have all lost our sense of community and "US" what this capitalist ideology wants is just a bunch of isolated, alienated, weak and frail (physically, mentally and spiritually) individual hollowed out humans ready and eager to consume whatever BS they throw and them trying to fill that void with more and more and more consumption.

PHUCK THAT

men vs woman
left vs right
race vs race
us vs them

Those cultural and emancipatory movements are just causing divisions in all of us as humans. We are all the same after all and we should be more together than ever if we don't want to lose ourselves

Lol, just LOL

1) So the survey is ****? Gtfo, you can check the source yourself and they are credible: General Social Survey

2) Oh yeah, we all know how celibate the gay community is...are you fcking retarded? And only 5-10% of men are gay.

3) True, yet the numbers are still high

What's your solution for the incel problem then?

That's my point you dumb fuk. They defined virginity as having zero "female" partners.

Yes, I've checked the source. Even the best surveys are subject to bad samples. "Under 30" is also a ridiculously broad range. There's a world of difference between a 19 year-old virgin and a 29 year-old one.

the "incel" problem (if you could call it a problem) is only a symptom of the greater picture, only a minor part of the decadence brought on by the balances in power and the erosion of tribal life that has been happening for thousands of years. Capitalism and consumerism have exploded those imbalances exponentially in the last century tho.

What's the main cause of this inceldom problem? even tho, again i refuse to call that a real problem. It's the hyper individualization of the human being, consumerism has turned us into narcissistic twats that only care about or personal "desires" and "goals" (both capitalist terms too) . People are more divided than ever, no surprise people can't connect on a deep or even semi shallow level an have real intimacy between humans.

And also do you ever wonder why "incels" feel that their life isn't complete without "getting laid"? because that's the message bombarded 24/7 by this capitalist ideology that we live in. Life is supposed to be a carrousel of "experiences" according to this consumerist ideology, and those "experiences" are nothing more but forms of consumption, according to this ideology other human beings are also there for you to consume and discard. And according to this worldview if you're not getting laid a lot like you are supposed to (as you can see in all forms of hypersexualized media) you are a failure ..
That's where the frustration of the incels come from, it's is not an innate desire that comes from them, it's just programming from the dominant ideology that wants to shape their behaviours and their deepest desires themselves.

First step is to recognize what causes your frustrations, and then to analyze the unreached desires of said frustrations and see if they really come from you or if they are just inserted artificial desires.

a woman who can raise a family and keep the house in order isn't the same as a woman being subservient to a man.

impossible

the dominant capitalist ideology that rules over our society has the holly dogma of consumptions of goods, experiences and people. This consumerist society advocates for constant consumption of everything (this includes people too)

I hate the term "slooting" because it comes from sexually frustrated incels but promiscuity if celebrated and promoted by capitalism. Is again another clear example of this hyper consumerist society.

If you want to change this they way to do it is to fight against consumerism and capitalism. Only when this ideology based so much in the individual switches to an ideology focused on the communal humanity we will have a sensible world to live in.

Having said that, there are much MUCH MUCH bigger problems to worry about than sexual frustration of young men. We have the impending ecological disaster that we are facing (the term global warming is too controversial) but we can't all deny that this consumption rate is having irreversible impact on our planet (see C02 levels, plastic in the oceans and marine life, massive extinctions of flora and fauna) If we don't do something about it soon we won't have much of a home to live in... let alone to be sexually frustrated or satisfied in.

because being subservient to a boss or company that doesn't give a **** about you is somehow more rewarding than raising your offspring

lol ok

culturally we'd have to engineer society so that women can't revert to their extreme hypergamous nature.

I don't know how to reverse what has been done, but that's what it would it take. In the current environment where women have no reason to settle for low tier men, they won't.

this is a great insight. I mean its human nature to want sex/intimacy/relationships, but culturally in the west it's unhealthily pushed in your face and it leads to overvaluing it.

That's exactly why incels can feel worthless because they can't date. Under no circumstance should you ever feel worthless about something you cant even control( you cant control whether or not a woman finds you attractive and wants to fuk you).

We need to promote better values all round

There will be a tipping point. Feminists and SJW's have no idea what they're inviting. I don't see this lasting another 5 years.

Imagine the average woman couldn't get laid whenever she wanted. There would be a worldwide outrage.

How were guys like Isaac Newton, Tesla, and Beethoven able to be incels and be ok with it??

[QUOTE=BigBallsMcgee post_id=1581244531]you only have so much control in life dude. I agree we should all do the best we can, but in 2019 that doesn't amount to much for a lot of people.[/QUOTE]What don't you control? Be specific...

[QUOTE=EnochsProphecy post_id=1581248281]You adapted alright. You're with a girl with kids who aren't even yours.

[img]g][/QUOTE]lol what was your original account I negged? And give a straight...

elementary particles...

meaning everything in this universe

I was asking him. You have too many excuses to discuss this.

Newton and Tesla were probably asexual and rather odd guys on top of that. Beethoven wasn't anything close to an incel, at least in his younger days when he still had some of his hearing. He ended up alone, but that's because he was notorious for being a dick.

They likely weren't okay with it. Most of these men were known to be quite miserable.

I don’t click links or listen to these, sorry.

smells like beta timothy in here

can we go at least one day without any ****ing depressing threads holy phuk

Are you 5’2 and ugly though? No, you’re not. Incels love pointing to extreme scenarios of unattractive guys to justify their beliefs that it is possible to be hopelessly ugly.

Then you end up with guys like rybo in this thread who are 6’3”, shredded, and decent looking facially convincing themselves that their dry spell is due to their looks rather than the fact that they haven’t talked to a female in years.

Don’t listen to him whining about being ugly. He’s posted face pics and he’s good looking (not to mention 6’3” with a physique ideal to women). Prime example of a guy who’d rather sulk in his basement than develop a personality. Even the most autistic of miscers would have HBBs lined up outside his door if they looked like him. I know I’m ripping on him hard I just really can’t stand this fukker. 100x worse than EOD.

If true, he's an even bigger idiot than I thought.

1) you don't control elementary particles
2) everything in this universe is made of elementary particles
3) you don't control anything in this universe -- you just think you do