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Originally Posted By underground21⏩
Yup that's a very big part of it.men today have lack of direction
they are told to go to school to be X from childhood by parents and teachers. a lot end up single well into their 20's and 30's. working some job does absolutely nothing unless you are working that job for a reason, ie family. you need purpose, a drive, a goal, having kids and a wife depending on you gives you that. some guys choose to go the elon musk route but only a percentage make it, aka have kids *******s.
they are told to go to school to be X from childhood by parents and teachers. a lot end up single well into their 20's and 30's. working some job does absolutely nothing unless you are working that job for a reason, ie family. you need purpose, a drive, a goal, having kids and a wife depending on you gives you that. some guys choose to go the elon musk route but only a percentage make it, aka have kids *******s.
Nog goals. And like you said having a family was THE goal for most men. But it's not that simple anymore to get a good wife, etc.
06-20-2019, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted By ChristineMN⏩
More feminism, soy men and SJW types = less masculineHow is anyone else taking away your masculinity? You choose whether or not you want to sit around whining like a little bitch or not. Wanna be masculine? No one's stopping you. If you're too fragile to deal with SJWs calling you toxic, then your masculinity was pretty weak to begin with.
Almost everyone is being affected
Go to a place that has a high feminist or soy male atmosphere and see how masculine you can be.....not gonna happen
Only places that are safe now are gyms or construction sites srs
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Originally Posted By Silencespeaks⏩
This, if you arnt born a good looking woman, i feel bad for them.Flip side is we are basically judged only on our looks.
Ugly man? Who cares, succeed in life and women will follow
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06-20-2019, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted By Silencespeaks⏩
not really. there's personality too. ur either a bitch or ur not a bitchFlip side is we are basically judged only on our looks.
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06-20-2019, 04:45 PM
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Men aren't seen as victims nor deserve mainstream media sympathy. Most men are worker bees suffering in silence. Most of all the sh*t work is/has to be done by men purely because of physical reasons and in most countries men are still expected to be primary providers, good lovers all while having the time to do everything else their partner wants.
Men have lower life expectancy due to harsher working requirements+stress and they have higher suicide rates. BRB women's day. It just annoys me how a males role is taken for granted and everyone is fine with it but the minute you ask the other side to follow anything close to a nuclear role and all hell breaks lose. You don't hear all these people bitching about male dominated work when it's a SH*T job that's grueling with average to below pay.
Then on top of all of that, masculinity is under attack in the western world. So you have these soy shells not getting laid, having no identity living online and never mentally maturing. This makes them even more susceptible to grim thoughts.
Men have lower life expectancy due to harsher working requirements+stress and they have higher suicide rates. BRB women's day. It just annoys me how a males role is taken for granted and everyone is fine with it but the minute you ask the other side to follow anything close to a nuclear role and all hell breaks lose. You don't hear all these people bitching about male dominated work when it's a SH*T job that's grueling with average to below pay.
Then on top of all of that, masculinity is under attack in the western world. So you have these soy shells not getting laid, having no identity living online and never mentally maturing. This makes them even more susceptible to grim thoughts.
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Originally Posted By MiamiLife305⏩
Don't feel bad for those women you think are somehow undesirable. You really see only attractive women being happy? Happiness has nothing to do with how someone looks on the outside. I swear this place is insane.This, if you arnt born a good looking woman, i feel bad for them.
Ugly man? Who cares, succeed in life and women will follow
Ugly man? Who cares, succeed in life and women will follow
06-20-2019, 05:07 PM
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I'm not pretending this is anything more than the equivalence of bro science but whatya gonna do lol.
- Diagnoses of things like ADHD in kids have sky rocketed in recent years so therefore so has the prescribing of drugs like Ritalin and ******** to kids. Boys are more likely to be diagnosed with ADHD than girls. One reason I've read is that boys who have ADHD tend to exhibit it in different and more disruptive ways. Teachers identify it more easily. Drugged up kids (who are more often boys than girls) are suffering from side affects from the drugs they've been put on since they were really young. The vast, vast majority of school shooters fall into this category.
- Diagnoses of things like ADHD in kids have sky rocketed in recent years so therefore so has the prescribing of drugs like Ritalin and ******** to kids. Boys are more likely to be diagnosed with ADHD than girls. One reason I've read is that boys who have ADHD tend to exhibit it in different and more disruptive ways. Teachers identify it more easily. Drugged up kids (who are more often boys than girls) are suffering from side affects from the drugs they've been put on since they were really young. The vast, vast majority of school shooters fall into this category.
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06-20-2019, 05:16 PM
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Other possible factors I've thought about:
- Men are 7 and a half times more likely than women to become gamblers. So gambling addiction - which completely destroys lives - is far more prevalent in men. In recent years, online gambling has exploded, meaning that habitual gambling has become far more common among young people.
- Men are 7 and a half times more likely than women to become gamblers. So gambling addiction - which completely destroys lives - is far more prevalent in men. In recent years, online gambling has exploded, meaning that habitual gambling has become far more common among young people.
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06-20-2019, 05:18 PM
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Sorry to post my theories in multiple posts; it kept on 404ing me. Last one:
- Men are 7 and a half times more likely than women to become gamblers. So gambling addiction - which completely destroys lives - is far more prevalent in men. In recent years, online gambling has exploded, meaning that habitual gambling has become far more common among young people.
- Men are 7 and a half times more likely than women to become gamblers. So gambling addiction - which completely destroys lives - is far more prevalent in men. In recent years, online gambling has exploded, meaning that habitual gambling has become far more common among young people.
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06-20-2019, 05:21 PM
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Men 80% of suicides - just men being men
Men 80% of STEM - why is STEM sexist?! We need more women in STEM at ALL costs!
Men 80% of STEM - why is STEM sexist?! We need more women in STEM at ALL costs!
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06-20-2019, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted By Mmjk1500⏩
This could actually be a legit factor in commonality of depression rising (which is true among both men and women) since physical health is probably linked to mental health but I think for it to be factor in suicide rates shown in the OP then it must be the case than an extraordinary proportion of suicides are fat people. Huge if true but I haven't seen evidence to suggest this.Obesity rising.
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Originally Posted By LordBroski⏩
Social media is good too because of interaction and interconnectivity to the 21st century world........Luddites are old-fashioned and out of touch.110% agree with this.
Social media is just filled with people trying to humble brag, or blatantly brag, and only show case the best parts of their lives to make others feel envious or jealous or to get off on the attention. I never had a snapchat/instagram account and don't see the point of that crap either. If you're close to me, I have your #, we text, and send memes back and forth, sure. I do keep FB Messenger, but deactivated my actual ******** a couple years ago. I wholly believe the studies that link social media use with depression amongst other things.
Technology takes something as human as interaction and dehumanizes it. Other people stop being people and only become objects who feed your ego with attention. It's disgusting.
Social media is just filled with people trying to humble brag, or blatantly brag, and only show case the best parts of their lives to make others feel envious or jealous or to get off on the attention. I never had a snapchat/instagram account and don't see the point of that crap either. If you're close to me, I have your #, we text, and send memes back and forth, sure. I do keep FB Messenger, but deactivated my actual ******** a couple years ago. I wholly believe the studies that link social media use with depression amongst other things.
Technology takes something as human as interaction and dehumanizes it. Other people stop being people and only become objects who feed your ego with attention. It's disgusting.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
I'd say it's the opposite. Back in the day, mediocrity for men was getting a job, supporting your family and being a great father and husband which are noble endeavours and very fulfilling. These days, these things don't seem to be valued so much and with social media and people portraying skewed images of their lives, more and more people seem to think that the only thing that's acceptable is becoming a baller/massive social success.And we are blaming the internet too?
It's easier than ever in history to make something of one's self... When did it become acceptable to strive for mediocrity?
It's easier than ever in history to make something of one's self... When did it become acceptable to strive for mediocrity?
For women, of course, the things people aspire to be is skewed in the same way. It's now not much motherhood or even being a Marie Curie but being either Ali McBeal or something going down the road of what we see on Instagram, most of which isn't even real.
For sure, you're right to say that making it big is far easier today than it's ever been and we should be thankful to live in this time. Many people see it that way. But the definitions of "making something of yourself" are not what they used to be. I'm not saying this is necessarily a bad thing (though it probably is, all things considered but I'm not going to argue that point) but we're often trying to keep up with The Joneses when what we think The Joneses have isn't even what they have.
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06-20-2019, 06:26 PM
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Top reasons would have to be 1) Internet causing social isolation. Back in the day there weren't many loners because even if you were a nerd in high school, you hung out with all the other nerds and still got that human bond connection. Nowadays, I can attest to it, you can virtually talk to people but it lacks that human connection that we deeply want to feel apart of a community and guys can find themselves becoming loners real quick. 2nd reason 2) would have to be due to dating apps/instagram for women. Thirsty whiteknights have inflated the egos of so many average and below average women that the collective standards as a whole have gone up. Our main purpose in life is to smash and reproduce, and if you can't even do that, you feel like a failure. This isn't as big a deal as number 1, however, because as long as you're taller than most women, you can eat right and go to the gym and easily look better than most men for the most part.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Right, taking responsibility for your own life is not only important but deeply fulfilling in itself. I do think you're understating the effect which trends in wider society have on people which they cannot avoid seeing and hearing just by virtue of existing. You can choose whether to take it to heart, of course.If that's what one uses the internet for, it's one's own fault. And if that's their perception of what is acceptable, that's their own fault too.
Everyone needs to be responsible for their own actions.
Choose to live in mom's basement until age 35? No one's fault but their own.
Everyone needs to be responsible for their own actions.
Choose to live in mom's basement until age 35? No one's fault but their own.
With that being said, what would you say are the reasons for the situation outlined in the OP? It seems you might be suggesting that it's the effects of what happens to your life when you do not take responsibility for it. If so, why do you think this trend is occurring at such rapidly increasing levels? The trend is probably negligible in wider society as a whole but it seems certainly to be increasing to the extent that there have to be some underlying factors. What are they?
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06-20-2019, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted By gixxer0.6g⏩
I wrote that, and it is a copypastaIf that wasn't a copy/pasta, it should be. Mind is a little blow right now Silence I agree with that post 100%. Being a woman is 100x worse than being a man. Any dude that thinks otherwise might as well join that suicide statistic.
If women would just accept their role as the mother figure that holds the family together and if men would grow up, grow a pair, and realize that the world is theirs to conquer, we might finally turn around this mess feminism created.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-kxdyJs6y8&t=187s
If women would just accept their role as the mother figure that holds the family together and if men would grow up, grow a pair, and realize that the world is theirs to conquer, we might finally turn around this mess feminism created.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
it's not always one's fault. there are outside factors that determine who you become as well. though obviously the sole factor is yourself. you can't always treat everyone the same.If that's what one uses the internet for, it's one's own fault. And if that's their perception of what is acceptable, that's their own fault too.
Everyone needs to be responsible for their own actions.
Choose to live in mom's basement until age 35? No one's fault but their own.
Everyone needs to be responsible for their own actions.
Choose to live in mom's basement until age 35? No one's fault but their own.
for example,
person A:
-father, a cardboard box production worker, was murdered in front of him when he was 10
-his mother, a hotel cleaner, dies from cancer when he's 15
-sent to abusive aunt and uncle because no other living guardian
-bullied and gets beat up in highschool
-his sister kills herself when he turns 18
person B:
-never had anything bad in his childhood
-two parents, both have a great job
-his only "struggle" is studying hard in college
these two will obviously not have the same mental capacities or perspective of the world. or even the same brain chemistry. person A is probably really traumatically ****ed. in the end, yes everyone is responsible for themselves. but it's not so black and white to say that "oh you're life is bad? change it then." you must be living in ****ing fairyland if you think it's possible that everyone can change their life with a snap of a finger. some people die being retail or warehouse workers. that doesn't mean they didn't try to change their life. that could mean they tried really hard but failed, and need to make an income just to live. i know guys in their 60's and 70's that tried to succeed but failed.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
He didn’t even imply that, let alone say it.So you are saying every single young man between the ages of 18-25 faced the same situation as person A?
Laughable at best..
Laughable at best..
Edit: I will point out that there is actually a higher rate of suicide among people in category B than in A, believe it or not, (it’s actually a fairly upper-middle class phenomenon as an overall trend...why is debatable...some say that when you’re dealing with actual problems, you’ve not got time to be neurotic, nor can you afford to) so I’m not agreeing with him or anything. Just saying that he absolutely did not say what you said he did.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
that's not my point... but it's possible a good portion of the 6000 people that committed suicide in the OP is person A, as 6000 is a very tiny percent of americans betwen the ages 18-25.So you are saying every single young man between the ages of 18-25 faced the same situation as person A?
Laughable at best.
The sole factor is one's self. One can either put their big boy pants on, and own their life... or choose to LDAR.
Edit : posts like this will always be ignored:https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1582444111
Because it is easier to congregate in "incel" threads and blame other people instead of working on one's own self.
Laughable at best.
The sole factor is one's self. One can either put their big boy pants on, and own their life... or choose to LDAR.
Edit : posts like this will always be ignored:https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1582444111
Because it is easier to congregate in "incel" threads and blame other people instead of working on one's own self.
There is only one Hell: the one we live in now.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
I think it was just to counter your notion that circumstances - including those beyond your control - have little if anything to do with success in life, since it appeared from what you were saying that this is the case.Then why bring it up?
X, Y or Z can happen to a person that could lead to depression or become an insurmountable obstruction to their wellbeing.
I don’t believe that considering your circumstances to be barriers to living your life - even if true - is particularly helpful to yourself because then you’re telling yourself you may as well not even try, meaning that any small successes you may be able to salvage turn into nothing at all. However I wouldn’t dismiss the fact that they can exist for people so limitations on what they become isn’t always completely their own fault.
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Originally Posted By gixxer0.6g⏩
well because of our current society women have no need for the qualities that men possess ..women basically dont need a man unless its for eye candy or entertainment these days...since many women have better paying jobs, and access to endless amounts of thirsty menMake men men again. Strength, ambition, and confidence are going extinct in male characteristics. Ironically, they are the main qualities that women are attracted to.
(these are my opinions i am not a licensed broker by trade)
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We know the problems. We know we need to restore gender balance, improve economic conditions, stop feeding our minds polluted social media, et al.
The major roadblock is collectivization. That's how women have managed to retain so much leverage. They influence each other for the good of their entire gender.
Seems like every time a man speaks up about men's issues, he's immediately shouted down by 10 WK's hoping to improve their standing with women. The only spokespeople we have are hiroshima nagasaki blackpill bros who have given up lol. That's not it, mane. We need rich white Chods to lead the charge. Those are the only people who will be taken seriously.
The major roadblock is collectivization. That's how women have managed to retain so much leverage. They influence each other for the good of their entire gender.
Seems like every time a man speaks up about men's issues, he's immediately shouted down by 10 WK's hoping to improve their standing with women. The only spokespeople we have are hiroshima nagasaki blackpill bros who have given up lol. That's not it, mane. We need rich white Chods to lead the charge. Those are the only people who will be taken seriously.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
I think people in this thread are confusingtakingresponsibility withwho/whatis responsible....So we are now saying that the use of the internet to participate in self-pity circle jerks, and choosing to mooch off their parents until their mid thirties is not one's own fault? Because that is what was being countered with the "let's pile on life changing circumstances on a imaginary person" post.
Sorry, but, MANY factors, both internal and external, are responsible for shaping each and everyone of us. But in order to improve your life, you need totakeresponsibility for the situation you’re in and figure a way out.
It’s a subtle distinction but an important one.
Half the time internet arguments break out because people think they’re talking about the same thing but they’re actually talking at odds.
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This comment section is full of gems
“Women don’t understand honor, only consequences”
“The test of faithfulness for women comes from when her man is doing bad. The test for a man is when he is doing great”
“The first thing that many guys think about when they meet failure is wether their women will stand by their side. This is not due to mens insecurities, but due to women’s unreliability”
“You can be strong for a long time, but if ever comes a period of time that you are in your lowest point of life, she will forget how good you were, she will start to analyze the relationship based on her perception of you in your lowest”
“Even if you have a women who does care, it is much safer to assume she doesn’t. Paradoxically, if you assume she does care she’ll stop caring”
This comment section is full of gems
“Women don’t understand honor, only consequences”
“The test of faithfulness for women comes from when her man is doing bad. The test for a man is when he is doing great”
“The first thing that many guys think about when they meet failure is wether their women will stand by their side. This is not due to mens insecurities, but due to women’s unreliability”
“You can be strong for a long time, but if ever comes a period of time that you are in your lowest point of life, she will forget how good you were, she will start to analyze the relationship based on her perception of you in your lowest”
“Even if you have a women who does care, it is much safer to assume she doesn’t. Paradoxically, if you assume she does care she’ll stop caring”
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