Thread: Moon Landing 1969 Real or Fake?
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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩
Even a pseudo-intellectual like yourself should understand that as science evolves, so does our understanding of how **** happens/happened.The moon rocks are really weird to me.
People who have seen them said they appeared to be rocks placed in some kind of kiln to change the overall appearance.
Then, as a mentioned in a previous post, it turns out "moon rocks" are "Earth rocks" and that changed the whole theory of ONLY how our moon was formed. Before it was all planets/moons were condensed matter trapped by the sun. Then, it was that Earth was fully formed, something crashed into it, turned it into molten blob, then the moon broke off, then Earth went right back to being normal again after it cooled down.
However, all other moons in the solar system have the old model explanation.
That sounds like some bullsh!t!
People who have seen them said they appeared to be rocks placed in some kind of kiln to change the overall appearance.
Then, as a mentioned in a previous post, it turns out "moon rocks" are "Earth rocks" and that changed the whole theory of ONLY how our moon was formed. Before it was all planets/moons were condensed matter trapped by the sun. Then, it was that Earth was fully formed, something crashed into it, turned it into molten blob, then the moon broke off, then Earth went right back to being normal again after it cooled down.
However, all other moons in the solar system have the old model explanation.
That sounds like some bullsh!t!
Originally Posted By BroIncorporated⏩
I figured someone would jump on my using "know" after I submitted the post. You're right, though. I don't know with an absolute certainty, but I absolutely believe it happened to the point of I know it did is all, my dude, if that makes any sense.Brother, you don't KNOW anything for certain. Neither do I.
Idiots are the type of people who say the Earth is flat. People who question the overwhelming amount of evidence against the moon landing are just inquisitive and trying to understand how so many discrepancies can't be explained.
All conspiracies are not equal, you know that.
Idiots are the type of people who say the Earth is flat. People who question the overwhelming amount of evidence against the moon landing are just inquisitive and trying to understand how so many discrepancies can't be explained.
All conspiracies are not equal, you know that.
Of course they aren't. Funnily enough, many conspiracies that were thought to be ludicrous at the time were later found to be accurate. Mind control tests on the US public from MK Ultra is a big one. After WWII, some people were worried that the government would do some shady radiation tests on private citizens and whatnot and they were deemed to be lunatics. That also happened, lol. Many more, obviously. Some conspiracies, however, are just huge head scratchers.
Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩
Nice deflection, and I just don't like frauds and you were proven to be one.You are the most amusingly butthurt person on the forum!
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12-07-2020, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted By kingmanaverage⏩
I don't want it to be fake, however----it seems REALLY fake and hard to believe, due to many issues listed here and other places.Real, but of course misc is full of CTers who will tell me it's fake.
I also DO NOT GET the strange offhand way fantastic events are handled.
A few months ago the US announces that military jets are CHASING UFOS!!!!! and it's just like handled very blandly.
I think that was election news that was pro Trump in disguise. It's "We better keep Trump in there because he will tell us" and I think it may have been fake. If not then people are like f@cking zombies, because fighter pilots admitted to seeing physics defying craft, and no one reacts or remembers!
China reported that they just started a FUSION REACTOR-----WHAT!?
That should be amazing news!!
I have noticed that fake news doesn't seem to go anywhere and there's an overall bland reaction to it.
The moon landings also have that. Why don't we have a moon landing day? Why aren't the astronauts super famous adventurers?
When amazing stuff is treated like it doesn't matter, that makes me suspicious.
As I've said about the recent UFO news, we either have a foreign government with secret super advanced technology that makes ours look like caveman sh!t, or aliens operate on Earth------yet-------no one is worried?! How can that be?
Because it's not real.
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12-07-2020, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted By BroIncorporated⏩
Very rare to find people to have a discussion that has that way of thinking, but well said. Reps on recharge.We're just having a conversation here, no need to get angry. I'm not trying to bring any more "bias" to the table than you are.
The "moon rock" material is of earth origin. That's not been "debunked", it's the truth. That's a pretty big point, it's very important. To say otherwise is silly.
I've done plenty of research on this, otherwise I wouldn't bother spending my time on this thread and discussing it if I hadn't. I don't claim to know it all, I'm here with an open mind and open ears.I want to be proved wrong so I can be one step closer to knowing what's true.
With that said, so far I haven't seen anyone post anything to debunk any of the discrepancies, just people calling others names and claiming they're ill informed while not providing any reasonable counter evidence.
The "moon rock" material is of earth origin. That's not been "debunked", it's the truth. That's a pretty big point, it's very important. To say otherwise is silly.
I've done plenty of research on this, otherwise I wouldn't bother spending my time on this thread and discussing it if I hadn't. I don't claim to know it all, I'm here with an open mind and open ears.I want to be proved wrong so I can be one step closer to knowing what's true.
With that said, so far I haven't seen anyone post anything to debunk any of the discrepancies, just people calling others names and claiming they're ill informed while not providing any reasonable counter evidence.
YESto the second highlighted area. Makes me feel like an idiot when something I've believed for so long to be proven false, but I'd much rather know the truth than be willfully ignorant.
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12-07-2020, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
LMFAOStill waiting for the source of the bolded.
https://space.stackexchange.com/ques...%20%22lost.%22
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12-07-2020, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Excuse the ignorance but what's CT?If only the CT'ers would put the some time into looking facts up instead regurgitating the same video that they take completely out of context.
Also, I agree but not doing research is normal these days, sadly.
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12-07-2020, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
It has been in the news MANY times.Still waiting for the source of the bolded.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2...h=2203d3541f48
You can research it yourself but that link took me like seconds to find.
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12-07-2020, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩
Did you even read that article? Where does it say that they "Firstly, NASA said it lost the plans to how the rockets work."It has been in the news MANY times.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2...h=2203d3541f48
You can research it yourself but that link took me like seconds to find.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2...h=2203d3541f48
You can research it yourself but that link took me like seconds to find.
Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
The pseudo-intellectual strikes again! LmaoTFW you provide proof that you're wrong.
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12-07-2020, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Conspiracy Theorist.[/QUOTE]TFW you provide proof that you're wrong.
QUOTE=Lunatic;1624757961]Excuse the ignorance but what's CT?
Also, I agree but not doing research is normal these days, sadly.
QUOTE=Lunatic;1624757961]Excuse the ignorance but what's CT?
Also, I agree but not doing research is normal these days, sadly.
That was incoherent.
Many of us have been reading about this topic for years. I am not doing extensive research for YOU, when you are talking about a topic you "just heard about" so go and read up on it.
The article I provided is just something small saying, there are not plans about about how they built a rocket to go to another planet, lol.
NASA has admitted they have no plans, which you can read about.
If you are at all familiar with the government, they keep documents about everything. They would not allow "winging it" regarding a rocket to go to the moon.
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It's highly unlikely they went. Can't go back (or claim they simply don't want to), handing out fake moon rocks, sketchy photos. At best it's just the footage that's been faked and they did go, but I still feel like that's unlikely.
Of course everywhere there are some anti-CT tard NPCs that will literally defend every original government story. I bet these are the kind of people that believe the official 9/11 story lmao.
Of course everywhere there are some anti-CT tard NPCs that will literally defend every original government story. I bet these are the kind of people that believe the official 9/11 story lmao.
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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩
Yup, you definitely didn't read the article that you posted. Looks like all the "research" you've done for years is a joke.Conspiracy Theorist.
That was incoherent.
Many of us have been reading about this topic for years. I am not doing extensive research for YOU, when you are talking about a topic you "just heard about" so go and read up on it.
The article I provided is just something small saying, there are not plans about about how they built a rocket to go to another planet, lol.
NASA has admitted they have no plans, which you can read about.
If you are at all familiar with the government, they keep documents about everything. They would not allow "winging it" regarding a rocket to go to the moon.
That was incoherent.
Many of us have been reading about this topic for years. I am not doing extensive research for YOU, when you are talking about a topic you "just heard about" so go and read up on it.
The article I provided is just something small saying, there are not plans about about how they built a rocket to go to another planet, lol.
NASA has admitted they have no plans, which you can read about.
If you are at all familiar with the government, they keep documents about everything. They would not allow "winging it" regarding a rocket to go to the moon.
Funny how you actually did try try to research for him and proved that you don't know **** about what you're talking about. Seriously, read the article you posted. It explains why they haven't made the Saturn V again....
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12-07-2020, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted By Lunatic⏩
Can you think beyond what is immediately written?Did you even read that article? Where does it say that they "Firstly, NASA said it lost the plans to how the rockets work."
The pseudo-intellectual strikes again! Lmao
The pseudo-intellectual strikes again! Lmao
What is wrong with people like you?
Read the article.
Do you believe, the military, the FBI, the CIA, in the SIXTIES---is going to let people just build the MOON ROCKET any old way they feel like?
The FBI kept massively detailed profiles on people like Elvis and other celebrities, that amounted to NOTHING but when it comes to the moon rocket, they're just going to let anyone do anything to put it together the best way they know how?
There is no way in hell they did that.
So, the article I posted is BS.
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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩
....no not really. Charon is thought to have originated from a major impact with pluto, phobos and deimos of mars are questionably related to a major impact (although unknown, evidence does exist against captured asteroids). Not all moons originate in co-formation with the planet in some circumplanetary disc, Neptune almost certainly captured Triton for example. It's almost as if Earth, due to its size, distance from sun, etc is not going to match other planets in the solar system exactly in terms of the moon situation.The moon rocks are really weird to me.
People who have seen them said they appeared to be rocks placed in some kind of kiln to change the overall appearance.
Then, as a mentioned in a previous post, it turns out "moon rocks" are "Earth rocks" and that changed the whole theory of ONLY how our moon was formed. Before it was all planets/moons were condensed matter trapped by the sun. Then, it was that Earth was fully formed, something crashed into it, turned it into molten blob, then the moon broke off, then Earth went right back to being normal again after it cooled down.
However, all other moons in the solar system have the old model explanation.
That sounds like some bullsh!t!
People who have seen them said they appeared to be rocks placed in some kind of kiln to change the overall appearance.
Then, as a mentioned in a previous post, it turns out "moon rocks" are "Earth rocks" and that changed the whole theory of ONLY how our moon was formed. Before it was all planets/moons were condensed matter trapped by the sun. Then, it was that Earth was fully formed, something crashed into it, turned it into molten blob, then the moon broke off, then Earth went right back to being normal again after it cooled down.
However, all other moons in the solar system have the old model explanation.
That sounds like some bullsh!t!
I realize you are dying to make some conspiratorial point or other (smh), but actually the moon rocks do vary enough from earth rocks anyway ( hydrous minerals, volatiles, composition)....the rocks in the moon had a very different history than those near the earth's surface given the different environments. Differences can show up in radiometric dating.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
I'm ****ing retardedTFW you provide proof that you're wrong.
Conspiracy Theorist.
Conspiracy Theorist.
Originally Posted By Barteh⏩
1. There's nothing on the moon for them to go there for.It's highly unlikely they went. Can't go back (or claim they simply don't want to), handing out fake moon rocks, sketchy photos. At best it's just the footage that's been faked and they did go, but I still feel like that's unlikely.
Of course everywhere there are some anti-CT tard NPCs that will literally defend every original government story. I bet these are the kind of people that believe the official 9/11 story lmao.
Of course everywhere there are some anti-CT tard NPCs that will literally defend every original government story. I bet these are the kind of people that believe the official 9/11 story lmao.
2. They've been to Mars since the moon landings more than once and as early as the 70s, IIRC.
3. I absolutely don't believe much of anything that the government tells us.
4. It's just science and engineering, my dude.
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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩
NASA said they lost the plans to the Saturn V rocket, which was the one used for the Apollo Missions. But I doubt NASA actually lost the plans to these. What it would do though is prevent them from actually looking and having other countries possibly getting the information and trying to steal/upgrade it. Try and throw everyone off the trail so they leave them the fukk alone.You have to step back a second.
Firstly, NASA said it lost the plans to how the rockets work.
As I have mentioned before, the US has extensive records on what Elvis was doing, lol, but it had no one copying and saving files for ROCKET PLANS? I mean the CIA and everyone would have been all over this stuff and everyone who worked in the project. They aren't going to lose anything.
Also, it is JUST A ROCKET and there's no science fiction hyperdrive or anything in it. There are only so many ways something like that is going to work, due to the limitations of science. So, the US spent a lot of making it, but that was due to the companies making it. It didn't need "Tritanium" to work, because it was just a rocket.
In addition, there would only be so many ways to navigated and so forth.
All of that mean it should not have been a mystery then how it worked and it certainly shouldn't be now.
There was no way that NASA, while basically going to another planet, lost stuff, erased tapes, accidently threw up major plans for the whole project, and so forth. It's absurd and it say that someone is lying about the topic.
Firstly, NASA said it lost the plans to how the rockets work.
As I have mentioned before, the US has extensive records on what Elvis was doing, lol, but it had no one copying and saving files for ROCKET PLANS? I mean the CIA and everyone would have been all over this stuff and everyone who worked in the project. They aren't going to lose anything.
Also, it is JUST A ROCKET and there's no science fiction hyperdrive or anything in it. There are only so many ways something like that is going to work, due to the limitations of science. So, the US spent a lot of making it, but that was due to the companies making it. It didn't need "Tritanium" to work, because it was just a rocket.
In addition, there would only be so many ways to navigated and so forth.
All of that mean it should not have been a mystery then how it worked and it certainly shouldn't be now.
There was no way that NASA, while basically going to another planet, lost stuff, erased tapes, accidently threw up major plans for the whole project, and so forth. It's absurd and it say that someone is lying about the topic.
At the end of the day, we launched a rocket with people we saw climb into it, into fukking space, and they returned with soil and rocks that cannot be found on earth. The moon does not have rain or wind, and is purely untouched soil, which cannot be found on earth, and is solely exposed to solar radiation which again, cannot be found on Earth. We returned with like 850 pounds of materials that researchers have poured billions of dollars researching. Other countries also made their own unmanned missions to the moon to get their own samples, and they match ours. So did we just pull random moon rocks out of our ass? They also take samples and don't open them up, the latest one was just opened which would be 40 years after we took them and again they have characteristics to the original ones, and I doubt we'd be pouring research and development into these samples without proof. You think a scientist is going to study some fake ass rock for their entire lives, let alone hundreds of them? That the entirety of the United States Space Program is in on the gig? and that not one of them would defect to Russia for a lifetime supply of money to prove the landing was fake? The photographer of the hypothetically doctored photo could have came out to another country for millions and millions of dollars to disprove the landing.
There's corroborated evidence from other countries, including Russia, that we did land one the moon, the tire tracks from the moon landings can still be seen, 400,000 people worked on getting the men to the Moon, and the best part of the whole fake moon landing hoax was started by a guy who actually worked on the Saturn V rocket. The mans name was Bill Kaysing and you can look him up if you want. He's also stated that NASA deliberately murdered the astronauts aboard the Apollo 1 and Challenger because they were going to expose the secrets of us never landing on the moon. But he broke up his own family after suffering from chronic anxiety, depression, and "full blown disillusionment with modern life". The guy was insane and couldn't believe or fathom the existence of a television or a radio. The hoax was started by a guy who worked for the project, and then believed that we couldn't actually do it so he made a baseless ass claim that caught fire. Then James Bond poked fun of it in a movie and then the rest is history. So now we're going to take the original word of a confirmed delusional man, over the word of hundreds of thousands of researchers, engineers, scientists, and astronauts, from multiple countries, spanning decades... got it.
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Originally Posted By MediaBlackout⏩
lol okay, then why didn’t the west call out the USSR for faking the first man in orbit? Obviously they would have known and obviously they would have done anything to diminish Soviet achievements, no?USSR faked the first man in orbit, so they couldn't point fingers.
Let’s forget about the govts for now, why didn’t any scientific minds during that time call bull****? No western or soviet scientists that I know claimed ****ery, why?
Inb4 they were all in it lol
None of this **** adds up, I’m sorry. If the only coherent solution is that everyone in govt and academia were all bought and kept silent or they didn’t know but a few neckbeards figured it out, then i need not say anymore lmao.
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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩
The "proof" they're asking for is unattainable. Much like Covid, this equates to moving the goalposts. Doesn't matter what is presented, it will never be good enough.Can you think beyond what is immediately written?
What is wrong with people like you?
Read the article.
Do you believe, the military, the FBI, the CIA, in the SIXTIES---is going to let people just build the MOON ROCKET any old way they feel like?
The FBI kept massively detailed profiles on people like Elvis and other celebrities, that amounted to NOTHING but when it comes to the moon rocket, they're just going to let anyone do anything to put it together the best way they know how?
There is no way in hell they did that.
So, the article I posted is BS.
What is wrong with people like you?
Read the article.
Do you believe, the military, the FBI, the CIA, in the SIXTIES---is going to let people just build the MOON ROCKET any old way they feel like?
The FBI kept massively detailed profiles on people like Elvis and other celebrities, that amounted to NOTHING but when it comes to the moon rocket, they're just going to let anyone do anything to put it together the best way they know how?
There is no way in hell they did that.
So, the article I posted is BS.
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Originally Posted By JStrez⏩
Careful, bro. He's stated that his hands are registered weapons. You don't want that kind of hurt.NASA said they lost the plans to the Saturn V rocket, which was the one used for the Apollo Missions. But I doubt NASA actually lost the plans to these. What it would do though is prevent them from actually looking and having other countries possibly getting the information and trying to steal/upgrade it. Try and throw everyone off the trail so they leave them the fukk alone.
At the end of the day, we launched a rocket with people we saw climb into it, into fukking space, and they returned with soil and rocks that cannot be found on earth. The moon does not have rain or wind, and is purely untouched soil, which cannot be found on earth, and is solely exposed to solar radiation which again, cannot be found on Earth. We returned with like 850 pounds of materials that researchers have poured billions of dollars researching. Other countries also made their own unmanned missions to the moon to get their own samples, and they match ours. So did we just pull random moon rocks out of our ass? They also take samples and don't open them up, the latest one was just opened which would be 40 years after we took them and again they have characteristics to the original ones, and I doubt we'd be pouring research and development into these samples without proof. You think a scientist is going to study some fake ass rock for their entire lives, let alone hundreds of them? That the entirety of the United States Space Program is in on the gig? and that not one of them would defect to Russia for a lifetime supply of money to prove the landing was fake? The photographer of the hypothetically doctored photo could have came out to another country for millions and millions of dollars to disprove the landing.
There's corroborated evidence from other countries, including Russia, that we did land one the moon, the tire tracks from the moon landings can still be seen, 400,000 people worked on getting the men to the Moon, and the best part of the whole fake moon landing hoax was started by a guy who actually worked on the Saturn V rocket. The mans name was Bill Kaysing and you can look him up if you want. He's also stated that NASA deliberately murdered the astronauts aboard the Apollo 1 and Challenger because they were going to expose the secrets of us never landing on the moon. But he broke up his own family after suffering from chronic anxiety, depression, and "full blown disillusionment with modern life". The guy was insane and couldn't believe or fathom the existence of a television or a radio. The hoax was started by a guy who worked for the project, and then believed that we couldn't actually do it so he made a baseless ass claim that caught fire. Then James Bond poked fun of it in a movie and then the rest is history.
At the end of the day, we launched a rocket with people we saw climb into it, into fukking space, and they returned with soil and rocks that cannot be found on earth. The moon does not have rain or wind, and is purely untouched soil, which cannot be found on earth, and is solely exposed to solar radiation which again, cannot be found on Earth. We returned with like 850 pounds of materials that researchers have poured billions of dollars researching. Other countries also made their own unmanned missions to the moon to get their own samples, and they match ours. So did we just pull random moon rocks out of our ass? They also take samples and don't open them up, the latest one was just opened which would be 40 years after we took them and again they have characteristics to the original ones, and I doubt we'd be pouring research and development into these samples without proof. You think a scientist is going to study some fake ass rock for their entire lives, let alone hundreds of them? That the entirety of the United States Space Program is in on the gig? and that not one of them would defect to Russia for a lifetime supply of money to prove the landing was fake? The photographer of the hypothetically doctored photo could have came out to another country for millions and millions of dollars to disprove the landing.
There's corroborated evidence from other countries, including Russia, that we did land one the moon, the tire tracks from the moon landings can still be seen, 400,000 people worked on getting the men to the Moon, and the best part of the whole fake moon landing hoax was started by a guy who actually worked on the Saturn V rocket. The mans name was Bill Kaysing and you can look him up if you want. He's also stated that NASA deliberately murdered the astronauts aboard the Apollo 1 and Challenger because they were going to expose the secrets of us never landing on the moon. But he broke up his own family after suffering from chronic anxiety, depression, and "full blown disillusionment with modern life". The guy was insane and couldn't believe or fathom the existence of a television or a radio. The hoax was started by a guy who worked for the project, and then believed that we couldn't actually do it so he made a baseless ass claim that caught fire. Then James Bond poked fun of it in a movie and then the rest is history.
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I am not a conspiracy type dude either.
I believed that we went to the moon until I started reading more about space travel, the moon, and so forth.
I recall reading many years ago that scientists were speculating about where moon dust had massive electrical changes in it, and I was like what?
Then, the mood formation story changed, and that made no sense.
Then moon rocks are from Earth, etc so I started to wonder.
I recall the one documentary about it all being fake made some good points, like, you can't fit the moon landing suit through the hatch, was a good point. Then, NASA makes it worse saying there's no plans, and it's all a LOT of weirdness.
There's too much of the "covid 19" flavor to it. Cases are spreading----don't go on vacation! People HAVE IT but they don't get sick, but they have it! Then everyone ignores that and the holidays hit and----cases are spreading!! Don't travel, then everyone does and so they stop saying that, and NO ONE sees any signs of mass numbers of people who are sick, and it's obviously not true.
It's like a government, or whoever, propaganda formula that doesn't work on a lot of people.
I believed that we went to the moon until I started reading more about space travel, the moon, and so forth.
I recall reading many years ago that scientists were speculating about where moon dust had massive electrical changes in it, and I was like what?
Then, the mood formation story changed, and that made no sense.
Then moon rocks are from Earth, etc so I started to wonder.
I recall the one documentary about it all being fake made some good points, like, you can't fit the moon landing suit through the hatch, was a good point. Then, NASA makes it worse saying there's no plans, and it's all a LOT of weirdness.
There's too much of the "covid 19" flavor to it. Cases are spreading----don't go on vacation! People HAVE IT but they don't get sick, but they have it! Then everyone ignores that and the holidays hit and----cases are spreading!! Don't travel, then everyone does and so they stop saying that, and NO ONE sees any signs of mass numbers of people who are sick, and it's obviously not true.
It's like a government, or whoever, propaganda formula that doesn't work on a lot of people.
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12-07-2020, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted By BroIncorporated⏩
It shows just how little you looked into any of this [and at the same time claiming to have this enormously "open mind"].We're just having a conversation here, no need to get angry. I'm not trying to bring any more "bias" to the table than you are.
The "moon rock" material is of earth origin. That's not been "debunked", it's the truth. That's a pretty big point, it's very important. To say otherwise is silly.
I've done plenty of research on this, otherwise I wouldn't bother spending my time on this thread and discussing it if I hadn't. I don't claim to know it all, I'm here with an open mind and open ears. I want to be proved wrong so I can be one step closer to knowing what's true.
With that said, so far I haven't seen anyone post anything to debunk any of the discrepancies, just people calling others names and claiming they're ill informed while not providing any reasonable counter evidence.
The "moon rock" material is of earth origin. That's not been "debunked", it's the truth. That's a pretty big point, it's very important. To say otherwise is silly.
I've done plenty of research on this, otherwise I wouldn't bother spending my time on this thread and discussing it if I hadn't. I don't claim to know it all, I'm here with an open mind and open ears. I want to be proved wrong so I can be one step closer to knowing what's true.
With that said, so far I haven't seen anyone post anything to debunk any of the discrepancies, just people calling others names and claiming they're ill informed while not providing any reasonable counter evidence.
Im not going to reinvent the wheel....I responded to the exact point already in a previous thread.
https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1587981141
You dont seem to realize that piece on display at the Rijksmuseum is not a moon rock, never was an official moon rock gift, and is just a sham. I even made an analogy to spell this out in very basic terms in that post, if you still dont understand. Hope this helps.
[lol at the same mindless point raised by eatmycrackers in the above thread......apparently cant be bothered to look into the matter more than not at all]
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12-07-2020, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩
I am not a conspiracy type dude either.
I believed that we went to the moon until I started reading more about space travel, the moon, and so forth.
I recall reading many years ago that scientists were speculating about where moon dust had massive electrical changes in it, and I was like what?
Then, the mood formation story changed, and that made no sense.
Then moon rocks are from Earth, etc so I started to wonder.
I recall the one documentary about it all being fake made some good points, like, you can't fit the moon landing suit through the hatch, was a good point. Then, NASA makes it worse saying there's no plans, and it's all a LOT of weirdness.
There's too much of the "covid 19" flavor to it. Cases are spreading----don't go on vacation! People HAVE IT but they don't get sick, but they have it! Then everyone ignores that and the holidays hit and----cases are spreading!! Don't travel, then everyone does and so they stop saying that, and NO ONE sees any signs of mass numbers of people who are sick, and it's obviously not true.
It's like a government, or whoever, propaganda formula that doesn't work on a lot of people.
I believed that we went to the moon until I started reading more about space travel, the moon, and so forth.
I recall reading many years ago that scientists were speculating about where moon dust had massive electrical changes in it, and I was like what?
Then, the mood formation story changed, and that made no sense.
Then moon rocks are from Earth, etc so I started to wonder.
I recall the one documentary about it all being fake made some good points, like, you can't fit the moon landing suit through the hatch, was a good point. Then, NASA makes it worse saying there's no plans, and it's all a LOT of weirdness.
There's too much of the "covid 19" flavor to it. Cases are spreading----don't go on vacation! People HAVE IT but they don't get sick, but they have it! Then everyone ignores that and the holidays hit and----cases are spreading!! Don't travel, then everyone does and so they stop saying that, and NO ONE sees any signs of mass numbers of people who are sick, and it's obviously not true.
It's like a government, or whoever, propaganda formula that doesn't work on a lot of people.
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12-07-2020, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted By brumbleman⏩
That is correct.The "proof" they're asking for is unattainable. Much like Covid, this equates to moving the goalposts. Doesn't matter what is presented, it will never be good enough.
But, I don't want it to be true, lol.
I want to know we went to the moon. However, I do not believe it after thinking about it.
The same thing goes for the UFOS the pilots reported seeing back in July.
WHY ISN'T THAT MASSIVE NEWS?!
I assume that if it was real, the US would be on RED ALERT and people would be extremely agitated that amazing craft are PLAYING with jet fighters.
If something amazing is going on an people are like "I donno" and "We lost it" and stuff then that's like school kid level lying.
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12-07-2020, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Please shut the hell up.So you can't provide a single source. Got it.
The reason I am adamant about someone providing a source for this statement, is because unlike others, I have done my research. You can't provide a source because it doesn't exist.
The reason I am adamant about someone providing a source for this statement, is because unlike others, I have done my research. You can't provide a source because it doesn't exist.
This stuff is common knowledge and you can look it up.
NASA explains that they farmed out like a million parts to different companies and so there are no plans.
This has been known for years. I'm sorry that you're 14 or whatever the hell and this is big boy talk.
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12-07-2020, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted By Barteh⏩
Some skepticism is healthy, but believing ridiculous conspiracy theories which lack supporting evidence is just as bad, if not worse, than blindly believing what you're taught in school. With the technology available at the time, it would have been harder to fake the moon landing than just going to the moon.It's highly unlikely they went. Can't go back (or claim they simply don't want to), handing out fake moon rocks, sketchy photos. At best it's just the footage that's been faked and they did go, but I still feel like that's unlikely.
Of course everywhere there are some anti-CT tard NPCs that will literally defend every original government story. I bet these are the kind of people that believe the official 9/11 story lmao.
Of course everywhere there are some anti-CT tard NPCs that will literally defend every original government story. I bet these are the kind of people that believe the official 9/11 story lmao.
I feel like Occam's razor is relevant in such cases, since it requires an extraordinary number of assumptions to explain how such a large scale hoax could be conducted without any information being leaked over the last 51 years. It just seems incredibly unlikely imo even though it's not impossible.
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12-07-2020, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
You're wasting your time. He's retarded and is the same type of person he thinks we are.It's such common knowledge that the only source you could muster proved it to be false.
Got it.
I mean, you could post this "common knowledge", and I would have no leg to stand on. But you can't... because it doesn't exist.
Maybe if you actually put effort into "reading about this", you'd be better informed.
Got it.
I mean, you could post this "common knowledge", and I would have no leg to stand on. But you can't... because it doesn't exist.
Maybe if you actually put effort into "reading about this", you'd be better informed.
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12-07-2020, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted By JStrez⏩
All of that has been discussed.NASA said they lost the plans to the Saturn V rocket, which was the one used for the Apollo Missions. But I doubt NASA actually lost the plans to these. What it would do though is prevent them from actually looking and having other countries possibly getting the information and trying to steal/upgrade it. Try and throw everyone off the trail so they leave them the fukk alone.
At the end of the day, we launched a rocket with people we saw climb into it, into fukking space, and they returned with soil and rocks that cannot be found on earth. The moon does not have rain or wind, and is purely untouched soil, which cannot be found on earth, and is solely exposed to solar radiation which again, cannot be found on Earth. We returned with like 850 pounds of materials that researchers have poured billions of dollars researching. Other countries also made their own unmanned missions to the moon to get their own samples, and they match ours. So did we just pull random moon rocks out of our ass? They also take samples and don't open them up, the latest one was just opened which would be 40 years after we took them and again they have characteristics to the original ones, and I doubt we'd be pouring research and development into these samples without proof. You think a scientist is going to study some fake ass rock for their entire lives, let alone hundreds of them? That the entirety of the United States Space Program is in on the gig? and that not one of them would defect to Russia for a lifetime supply of money to prove the landing was fake? The photographer of the hypothetically doctored photo could have came out to another country for millions and millions of dollars to disprove the landing.
There's corroborated evidence from other countries, including Russia, that we did land one the moon, the tire tracks from the moon landings can still be seen, 400,000 people worked on getting the men to the Moon, and the best part of the whole fake moon landing hoax was started by a guy who actually worked on the Saturn V rocket. The mans name was Bill Kaysing and you can look him up if you want. He's also stated that NASA deliberately murdered the astronauts aboard the Apollo 1 and Challenger because they were going to expose the secrets of us never landing on the moon. But he broke up his own family after suffering from chronic anxiety, depression, and "full blown disillusionment with modern life". The guy was insane and couldn't believe or fathom the existence of a television or a radio. The hoax was started by a guy who worked for the project, and then believed that we couldn't actually do it so he made a baseless ass claim that caught fire. Then James Bond poked fun of it in a movie and then the rest is history. So now we're going to take the original word of a confirmed delusional man, over the word of hundreds of thousands of researchers, engineers, scientists, and astronauts, from multiple countries, spanning decades... got it.
At the end of the day, we launched a rocket with people we saw climb into it, into fukking space, and they returned with soil and rocks that cannot be found on earth. The moon does not have rain or wind, and is purely untouched soil, which cannot be found on earth, and is solely exposed to solar radiation which again, cannot be found on Earth. We returned with like 850 pounds of materials that researchers have poured billions of dollars researching. Other countries also made their own unmanned missions to the moon to get their own samples, and they match ours. So did we just pull random moon rocks out of our ass? They also take samples and don't open them up, the latest one was just opened which would be 40 years after we took them and again they have characteristics to the original ones, and I doubt we'd be pouring research and development into these samples without proof. You think a scientist is going to study some fake ass rock for their entire lives, let alone hundreds of them? That the entirety of the United States Space Program is in on the gig? and that not one of them would defect to Russia for a lifetime supply of money to prove the landing was fake? The photographer of the hypothetically doctored photo could have came out to another country for millions and millions of dollars to disprove the landing.
There's corroborated evidence from other countries, including Russia, that we did land one the moon, the tire tracks from the moon landings can still be seen, 400,000 people worked on getting the men to the Moon, and the best part of the whole fake moon landing hoax was started by a guy who actually worked on the Saturn V rocket. The mans name was Bill Kaysing and you can look him up if you want. He's also stated that NASA deliberately murdered the astronauts aboard the Apollo 1 and Challenger because they were going to expose the secrets of us never landing on the moon. But he broke up his own family after suffering from chronic anxiety, depression, and "full blown disillusionment with modern life". The guy was insane and couldn't believe or fathom the existence of a television or a radio. The hoax was started by a guy who worked for the project, and then believed that we couldn't actually do it so he made a baseless ass claim that caught fire. Then James Bond poked fun of it in a movie and then the rest is history. So now we're going to take the original word of a confirmed delusional man, over the word of hundreds of thousands of researchers, engineers, scientists, and astronauts, from multiple countries, spanning decades... got it.
NASA said that it farmed out like a million parts to different companies. Some had to be hand made, and so there are no blueprints.
That is hard to believe as the government, like the FBI were HUGE control freaks, and kept detailed records about mundane issues. I do not believe that people like that would let dudes at NASA randomly order stuff and put a handmade rocket together to go to the moon. Had it failed it would have looked stupid.
The moon rocks, after tested by others, proved to be from Earth.
That suddenly changed the theory or how the moon was formed, but no other moon, as I have said many times now.
People play online role playing games, and what happens there?
People all share the same fake experience. It would be extremely easy to do the same thing to people on a job where they are all working on little parts of a project.
The US has legit Psy Ops people that could easily figure out how to make people believe they are all working together while not actually don't anything much.
What matters is if something can be REPRODUCED because that is science. If you can do it once, it should be reproducible, and it's not. And, like I have also said, there's a weird lack of cultural excitement about it. It's not really talked about, the astronauts aren't American heroes, there's no holidays, and that's really odd.
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Originally Posted By Lunatic⏩
The uselessness of someone like you comes out because it the time you wrote that and other trash, you could have read all about the issue.You're wasting your time. He's retarded and is the same type of person he thinks we are.
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Originally Posted By JStrez⏩
So you equate all of these moon endeavors post-Apollo missions to a "peer pressure" of sorts?When you think about it, going to the Moon back in the 50's and 60's was considered to be the next big thing. You had countries cutting corners and putting all of their money into their moon landing operations. I think at the time we reached the Moon, 5% of our nations budget was being used for it. But once the US got to the Moon, everyone else was defeated, and then the Vietnam War hit, and then pandemics hit, and then the social interest in going back to the Moon largely fated. For example right now, why would anyone want to spend tens of billions of dollars going to the moon when people are dying of COVID? Why not use the money elsewhere when there's other chit going on?
Then interest only starts to pick up once other people start to take an interest too. This applies to everyday life in everything we do. No one gives a chit about the new thing until one popular person promotes it, and then suddenly everyone else is like fukk I need that. So when one country is established but has no "big" endeavour, they say fukk it, we'll drop a new rover or satellite onto the Moon. Then other countries are like chit then we need to go to the Moon first to make it seem like we're way better than them, and then suddenly you have loads of countries in the mix starting to do all this crap for new reason other than to again, flop their dicks around. I could see the next big thing again being "First Woman on the Moon", or first black, minority, LGBTQ, etc. on the Moon, nothing more than a gimmick honestly and just to have bragging rights.
BUT something similar could be used that we use everyday. No one developed nuclear weapons until word got out that they were being worked on. No one started exploring the oceans until someone started. No one traveled to the South Pole until someone started, etc. So the only real thing you could do on the Moon anymore is to establish a lunar colony. So when nations start taking an interest to probe the Moon, most people assume it's to send the first woman or to set up grounds for a space colony. Then all the major superpowers start throwing out money to start more missions to get the latest data (unchanged really) and give the illusion to everyone else that they have a stake in the game. NASA's budget has been decimated, as has other super powers space programs, but I bet they already researched and designed a livable habitat for the moon, now all that's left is for someone to say they plan to go, and suddenly all the major superpowers will dust off their plans, throw money into the budget, and race to be the first.
Then interest only starts to pick up once other people start to take an interest too. This applies to everyday life in everything we do. No one gives a chit about the new thing until one popular person promotes it, and then suddenly everyone else is like fukk I need that. So when one country is established but has no "big" endeavour, they say fukk it, we'll drop a new rover or satellite onto the Moon. Then other countries are like chit then we need to go to the Moon first to make it seem like we're way better than them, and then suddenly you have loads of countries in the mix starting to do all this crap for new reason other than to again, flop their dicks around. I could see the next big thing again being "First Woman on the Moon", or first black, minority, LGBTQ, etc. on the Moon, nothing more than a gimmick honestly and just to have bragging rights.
BUT something similar could be used that we use everyday. No one developed nuclear weapons until word got out that they were being worked on. No one started exploring the oceans until someone started. No one traveled to the South Pole until someone started, etc. So the only real thing you could do on the Moon anymore is to establish a lunar colony. So when nations start taking an interest to probe the Moon, most people assume it's to send the first woman or to set up grounds for a space colony. Then all the major superpowers start throwing out money to start more missions to get the latest data (unchanged really) and give the illusion to everyone else that they have a stake in the game. NASA's budget has been decimated, as has other super powers space programs, but I bet they already researched and designed a livable habitat for the moon, now all that's left is for someone to say they plan to go, and suddenly all the major superpowers will dust off their plans, throw money into the budget, and race to be the first.
With regards to the handling of OUR TAX MONEY, it's not like they have a strong grasp on how to balance budgets. Since the tech is already there, supposedly, I imagine it wouldn't require such a large price tag as it did when it was first undertaken. Then again, greed is a helluva drug.
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Originally Posted By Lunatic⏩
Well the science has shown that the "moon rock" that was gifted to the Dutch is actually not actually from the moon. To me and many other it doesn't make sense that with the science 50 years ago they went to the moon and with the science today everybody just decides to not focus on space exploration.I'm ****ing retarded
1. There's nothing on the moon for them to go there for.
2. They've been to Mars since the moon landings more than once and as early as the 70s, IIRC.
3. I absolutely don't believe much of anything that the government tells us.
4. It's just science and engineering, my dude.
1. There's nothing on the moon for them to go there for.
2. They've been to Mars since the moon landings more than once and as early as the 70s, IIRC.
3. I absolutely don't believe much of anything that the government tells us.
4. It's just science and engineering, my dude.
I haven't done enough research to claim they never went, which I should do because it's a subject that interests me. But there's enough fishy chit surrounding it (fake moon rock, no original footage, sketchy looking footage) to at least make me doubt. If there's any good documentaries you can recommend I'd watch. There's one conspiracy one I've been recommended which is like 3 hours but it'd be nice to get a recommendation that tells the other side of the story as well.
Originally Posted By kingmanaverage⏩
I agree that blindly believing any conspiracy is not a good thing. Which is why on something like the moon landing I'm skeptical and say I feel like it's unlikely without just outright claiming it's not true. Also the bolded part is just stupid and not true. It's not harder to film a fake moon landing in a studio then actually going all the way to the moon. That's just a silly thing to say.Some skepticism is healthy, but believing ridiculous conspiracy theories which lack supporting evidence is just as bad, if not worse, than blindly believing what you're taught in school.With the technology available at the time, it would have been harder to fake the moon landing than just going to the moon.
I feel like Occam's razor is relevant in such cases, since it requires an extraordinary number of assumptions to explain how such a large scale hoax could be conducted without any information being leaked over the last 51 years. It just seems incredibly unlikely imo even though it's not impossible.
I feel like Occam's razor is relevant in such cases, since it requires an extraordinary number of assumptions to explain how such a large scale hoax could be conducted without any information being leaked over the last 51 years. It just seems incredibly unlikely imo even though it's not impossible.
I don't like the criticism of many conspiracies that it couldn't have happened because too many people would have been in on it. It's not like they're telling all the thousands of people at NASA "Okay guys here is the project fake moon landing and here's your role in it."
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Originally Posted By Barteh⏩
Perhaps read some of the above posts that address this very point (it's a non-point actually). I realize the conspiracy crowds would rather reiterate mindless talking points instead of just spending 5 minutes researching something though.Well the science has shown that the "moon rock" that was gifted to the Dutch is actually not actually from the moon.
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Originally Posted By Barteh⏩
but it makes sense to you that the soviet union was silent as their enemy took claim to the biggest achievement in human history?Well the science has shown that the "moon rock" that was gifted to the Dutch is actually not actually from the moon.To me and many other it doesn't make sense that with the science 50 years ago they went to the moonand with the science today everybody just decides to not focus on space exploration.
I haven't done enough research to claim they never went, which I should do because it's a subject that interests me. But there's enough fishy chit surrounding it (fake moon rock, no original footage, sketchy looking footage) to at least make me doubt. If there's any good documentaries you can recommend I'd watch. There's one conspiracy one I've been recommended which is like 3 hours but it'd be nice to get a recommendation that tells the other side of the story as well.
I haven't done enough research to claim they never went, which I should do because it's a subject that interests me. But there's enough fishy chit surrounding it (fake moon rock, no original footage, sketchy looking footage) to at least make me doubt. If there's any good documentaries you can recommend I'd watch. There's one conspiracy one I've been recommended which is like 3 hours but it'd be nice to get a recommendation that tells the other side of the story as well.
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