Holy crap you explained sleep paralysis better than anyone else!! I was literally explaining this to my date tonight, it’s like a never ending cycle, you constantly think you’ve woken yourself up only to find out you never woke up. Usually when it happens enough time I can really focus and wake myself up.

I've had sleep paralysis more times than I can count for as long as I can remember.

Every time it happens I try to stay in it longer and longer to try and explore and experience/observe what happens. Even though it's all psychological and I have a very adventurous mind of wanting to explore the unknown, I usually chicken out as I start to feel an eerie presence like something is out of my field of view. I don't know if it's just the idea planted in my head from reading on this stuff over the years or there is something truly spiritual there. Maybe my mind is not ready to experience it.

I have found the best way to get out of sleep paralysis is to jolt your body as hard as you can. Easiest way to describe it would be to throw your arms and legs outward all of a sudden and pop your chest out. It has never failed me and it's the reason why over time I get more and more comfortable being in this state.

One day I'll try stay in this state longer and observe what happens around me.

Hopefully this helps any brahs in this situation that find it hard to snap out of it.

Yeah if it happens once it happens over and over and I feel an uncomfortable pressure in my ear the entire time like someones blowing into it.

For me the experiences aren't traumatic anymore because I don't fight it, whenever I try to fight the experience ramps up dramatically and just gets worse in every way.

My explanation that I can't prove but makes more sense holistically than the current explanation is that during sleep paralysis you're somewhere between our normal plane and the astral plane.

What you said about the eyes being open intrigues me because eyes seem to always remain closed yet I've had many experiences where I've had observations of objects moving and validating them upon waking up. When people have NDEs and have an outer body experience (astral plane) they report seeing everything yet the eyes are closed the whole time.

I don't like the word 'dreaming' because sleep paralysis being related to dreams makes zero sense because of all the reasons I laid out.

Thanks for the post, I have a chance to respond to it now.

The problem with this is you're attributing 'neutral' to meaning not completely negative, yet what I'm laying out is that if it were truly a dream like experience you wouldn't have to try so hard to get to neutral. The experience is overwhelmingly negative even when trying to incorporate positive mantras and having prior knowledge to the experience that it is just a 'dream' or what have you, this doesn't make add up. To attack my own point I could say having prior knowledge makes a negative experience more likely since you're associating the event with negativity, but to make the experience better from my research (and from your own words) is to simply relax. Yet in all matter of fact you should simply be able to picture something in your mind and the environment should change completely.

You say you then enter a lucid dream, but if sleep paralysis is a dream state and you're aware of it is sleep paralysis not already a lucid dream in of itself?

I can give you the benefit of the doubt in a scenario where you find yourself unable to move and then immediately start panicking and start having a horrifying experience. But how about where you feel an overwhelmingly negative presence before you're even aware that you're paralyzed? The amount of people that feel bliss has to be 0.01% from the research I've done.

Back in the days, there used to be a radio show called Coast to coast AM with Art Bell, and whenever I listened to that radio show I ended up having sleep paralysis

Weird that you mention that, a video popped up in my recommended that I watched a few days ago that was something like 'The antichrist calls Art Bell'. The video was nonsensical but dead serious, don't even know who that guy is

Got the ol SP the night before last. Fortunately I was on the edge of the bed and was able to work one of my legs off the bed (wiggle toes pt 2).. seems to speed it up

Going face first on the floor to wake up is better then that ****

Before this thread I was starting to think it was sleep apnea related. Since it usually happens when I’m sleeping on my back and I guess that’s a bad position if you have apnea.

But I think I’ve gotten it on my side too. Can remember not being able to see the door and listening feeling something approaching fromthat side of the room and can’t do anything.

in any case it still doesn’t explain why it’s consistently shadow figures, horrible sounds, and just horrible for people that do see/hear things and at best is somewhat neutral. Where’s the sleep paralysis experience where you can’t move, Margot Robbie walks up to you topless and gives you head. That would be a nice change of pace from terrorland

Haha exactly. How about even an ugly chick? Apparently some people have had that happen but by a disgusting the hills have eyes looking creature.

In terms of sleeping on your back people actually report having increased experiences that way regardless of sleep apnea. I actually messed up my posture from sleeping on my belly because of the first time I had it lol. Now I'm so used to it that it doesn't bother me, but at the same time I haven't had an experience as terrifying as the first time it happened. When it happens now it's usually weird sounds/pressure in my ears and shadows while i'm half conscious instead of a previous experience where there was an otherworldly horrifying figure staring right into my eyes where I was fully cognitive.

That's not to say SA isn't related at all and that goes for other sleep issues. It could be an easier access to the experience, but what happens within that experience is still the same regardless of those issues and is unexplained.

damn, thats a lot. I've had it maybe a handful of times, and after the firs 2 or 3 times I was like "Oh, this again." Then I tried to induce it but don't think it's happened again since I have actually wanted it to happen.

I've only had it once and it was the most terrifying thing I've ever experienced.

I was taking a nap, in the afternoon, and I "woke up" to footsteps coming down the hallway at a faster than usual pace. I realized that no one was home and the footsteps were abnormal at the same time. I tried to sit up to see and couldn't. I sensed something in the room over me but could not move.

I finally woke up and nothing was there, but that experience has never left me.

ETA: I never saw anything, but the sounds and feeling of something looking at me was as real as could be.

Eh as someone who used to have sleep paralysis every time I slept (often multiple times a night) I don't buy the spirit world argument. That said, **** sleep paralysis it is ****ing terrifying and used to make me actually scared to fall asleep. Glad it only happens rarely now.

Some experiences can be beyond words. I've seen people on reddit say things along the lines of 'uwu sleep paralysis is so kool the demons my friend now' which makes me believe they haven't had a genuinely terrifying experience, especially since those types tend to be afraid of everything.

I don't think I believe you. But tell more of your experience since I can't really reply to that (if you want).

Basically from about 20 to about 25 my sleep was absolutely ****ed, I would have waking dreams while lying down with my eyes closed (I was fully awake and could sit up). Every time I would fall asleep to vivid dreams but they would always take place in the room I was sleeping in. Normally they'd be pretty innocent until I'd try and move but would then realise I can't because I'm asleep, once that happens the anxiety hits and I'd start to hear voices, feel something behind me, touching my foot, lights turning on, doors opening, figures walking in to the room - basically it would devolve into a full on nightmare. The dreams were far worse than the sleep paralysis though because I would "wake up", feel safe but then realise I just dreamed about waking up and am still asleep so it'd start again. The worst was when it happened like 7 times in a row before I woke up for real. Eventually I got to the point where I could tell I was dreaming but it didn't make it any better, the nigthmares were just as bad. I also eventually learned how to actually wake myself up but it was an effort and it almost makes it scarier because I'm trying to wake up while I hear footsteps or banging or screaming around me (even though I know it's not real). Usually when I would eventually wake up for real I'd still be paralysed and the **** would continue for another 20 or so seconds. Needless to say that was ****ed and made me pretty damn depressed until it just randomly stopped happening all the time and now only happens very rarely.

Never experienced any of this chit srs

Plot twist....the world as you experience it is also a dream, albeit a more persistent one (very srs). Wake up, *******.

A trick I learnt a while ago to find out if you’re dreaming: hold your nose shut and try to breathe through it. If you can breathe, you’re in a dream

That's the technique I use for lucid dreaming.

To have lucid dreams consistently you have to do 'reality checks' which means during the day you take a moment to ponder whether you're literally in a dream or not, you have to TRULY analyze the situation and not just think 'obviously i'm not in a dream but let me see if i'm breathing or not' because what will happen is you'll be inside a dream and do the reality check and then you'll literally have the exact same thought process 'oh i'm not dreaming'. I've even had a dream where I realized I was breathing (while holding my nose) and said to myself nope I'm not in a dream because I wasn't doing it seriously.

Pretty amazing stuff.

Didn't you have in your post before you edited that your experiences weren't mostly negative? Anyway I believe you.

I've actually had the inception type scenario many times but before I'm fully awake I always enter the 'sleep paralysis' scenario. I also think many times when people think they've woken up during the middle of night they're actually just dreamed they did so.

I tried this and I busted a nut. What does that mean?

Yeah because I realised in regards to the sleep paralysis that was wrong, the paralysis at the end was always negative because it only happened after nightmates, the dreams weren't always negative but would end up being negative as soon as I realised I was asleep. Also hard agree on people thinking they've woken up but are just dreaming.

i only get it when i sleep on my back, especially if ive had a nap earlier in the day... i never nap or sleep on my back anymore and i've not had it for a while now but yeah it's fukking horrible.

I remember one time, when I was trying to get into sleep paralysis, I was laying still, trying to be open minded, I lay in the same position for about twenty minutes, before it finally started to happen, I felt my soul astral projecting, and I was suddenly teleported out of my body, I remember a pillow being thrusted over my face, being held there for what seemed like an eternity, then I clearly remember my pants being slowly maneuvered down off my hips and slowly past my knees where they remained, I did feel a bit weird, but I didn't care, I had finally astral projected out of my body and successfully succeeded sleep paralysis, The next thing I remembered was a burning sensation in my angus, I fought and struggled as hard as I could, but I just couldn't shake the presence off me, when I finally awoke and regained full control over my body, I was ecstatic.


The following days it happened again, and I didn't even have to try to dream it! it just happened so fluently, however, the same recurring nightmare kept getting at me, The same pillow, the familiar burning sensation, and the feel of utter excitement once the weight was pushed off me.

The last thing I remember was the spirit whispering in my ear

" She was the best man "

Yeah when your brainwaves are in a delta state you become very creative and intuitive. Kind of like a sixth sense as well, which explains why you can sense the room around you. I can hear voices, see faces, talk to people, and imagine things that I otherwise wouldn't be able to. Good and bad.

I have the documents you're referring to on the Gateway Process and Remote Viewing if anyone is interested. They are intriguing.Thanks for replying, I wasn't sure if anyone was going to read that lol. Interesting dinner subject.

I had another experience last night in a dream where I was pulled over by a cop, got in trouble, and then continued driving. It was interesting for a few reasons. I couldn't remember where I had just been, and started to become lucid and wake up when I realized it was a dream. The roads were snowed over, my car was sliding out of control, and the dream dissipated. I had the falling feeling, and became paralyzed. But this time I was extremely relaxed and it felt good. I like being in that state where I'm asleep but I'm lucid and aware of my body.

Fun things you can do in a dream to become lucid:
Reality checks, check your watch, check the sun, check your clothes, flip a light switch.
Try to remember where you came from and what you have been doing. Like that scene in inception.
Call yourself on the phone. (Don't do this)That's a good one, I've never heard of that before. I always find myself underwater in a dream and too afraid to breathe just in case it's not a dream. Things like that. Most of my dreams seem to have common themes for the past few years. Climbing up to high places like a building, a mountain, or a pyramid. And almost every night I'm either traveling on an airplane, waiting for an airplane, riding in a car or a bus or a limo, seeing big cities passing by me, and thinking about which country I'm headed to.

the world is 100% a simulation

opening your eyes only lets in white light

your other senses hearing & feel create depth/objects etc from sound & vibration of moleculars internally etc

hive mind consciousness created by god is the program

god didn't fabricate 7hundred billion tonnes of planets lol

Imagining believing in Dreams

Fukin lolz never change Misc

Good thread

It's not always negative, your entire argument is based on falsehood
bruh

Let me see if I understand you correctly. You want to know why the experience is always negative, even before you're aware of your body, if it isn't spiritual in nature. And you want to know exactly when sleep paralysis occurs, and if it's a lucid dream.

To start, I don't ascribe spirituality to sleep paralysis. To answer your question straight off, yes, sleep paralysis must be a lucid dream of the room you're in, and paranoia is the negative presence you're describing when you become aware of your surroundings, even before becoming aware of your body. But that may not satisfy your curiosity if you're more interested in the spirit world. As am I.

It's almost impossible for me to tell if what I'm seeing is a dream of my room, if I'm awake and seeing the room, or if I'm awake but having a hypnagogic hallucination. At least at the time of the occurrence, which is a very important detail. I believe that it starts with waking up and typically that is when the adrenaline starts if you try to move. Especially if you were just in a deep sleep, like I was last night, where I was about to crash the car and I felt the urge to get out of there. Not moving isn't negative in itself, but when your fight or flight response is activated by a dream like that, then yes it becomes very intense. It's possible that people are afraid of being stuck in that state. Fear of fear itself, after all.

Where does sleep paralysis end and a lucid dream begin? Typically when you fall back asleep and lose conscious awareness over your body and the sounds around you, I suppose. I make a differentiation between the two to represent a pleasant dream, and a dream of the room I am sleeping in, because otherwise it's hard to tell the difference when you are unable to perform a reality check and unable to move. That's what I mean by being tired; when I'm dreaming the room I'm in, I'm not tired, but when I am, then I think it's because I'm awake. Unless you're in another state.

Which brings us to hypnopompic/hypnagogic hallucinations. Waking hallucinations, before or after sleep. You can wake up, get out of bed, and still see things from your dream. I typically see bees, or snakes, or bugs on me. They don't move when you touch them, like a sunspot on your eye. It is possible that you could wake into this state and be unable to move, but it would be hard to tell. It's also possible to fall into this state when you are just falling asleep, which is good enough awareness for me to say that it's not a dream.

The differences between the two are vast. Hypnagogic hallucinations are best experienced by falling asleep on your back and they aren't really intense or as lucid as you might hope. But if you are in the middle of a terrifying episode of sleep paralysis, then that must be a lucid dream by definition, yes. You are in a lucid dream and you are controlling it. You think you're awake and in your room, but you're not, and you can control it. But you're also aware of your body, pumping adrenaline, trying to get out, remember. No wonder you can't control it if you don't stay calm. You can clear a lucid dream in or out of sleep paralysis by closing your eyes and substituting another scene. But that won't clear your adrenaline or your paranoia, even if it's just your body trying to wake up; it's not easy to control your dream and your body at the same time.

You can have a positive experience while still paralyzed was the point I was trying to get across in my first post. It's just difficult because you are already aware of your surroundings, and that is what you conjure up. And typically the room fades away when you relax and close your eyes. I was aware of my body during the entire dream and it ruined the sensations.

Whether or not you're ever really awake and have your eyes open is a good question. I thought so too like everybody else, because I could barely move in the dream, and I could see the lights on, and I could see things around me, and I could fall out of bed. But then I kept waking up with nothing changed. Not in my case I suppose.

This all makes more sense when you consider that you must be partially aware of your surroundings while asleep if you are in an unfamiliar place. At a hotel, a friends house, something of that nature. That's why your brain stays more active when sleeping in those places. If you're interested in having a scary or metaphysical experience while lucid dreaming, try calling yourself on the phone. Tell me who answers and whose voice it is.

I had sleep paralysis and felt some weird evil demon presence

What is weird is that I am an atheist and dont believe in any of those things, didnt before and didnt after but during the experience it seemed real


I had some youtube videos playing about all these angels and stuff in the background a few weeks ago. Makes me wonder where did they come up with all this chit, all these people across different cultures and continents writing all these stories about visitors from other worlds and chit, were they all just on hallucinogenics, was it just creative writings or did some aliens and other dimensional beings actually visit them?