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MIT Study: Vaccine Hesitancy Is 'Highly Informed and Scientifically Literate'.
07-18-2021, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
on the Twitter the Left are calling VAERS a non credible toolhttps://californiaglobe.com/fr/cdc-v...dverse-events/
Nearly 7,500 reported disabled post vaccination. Don't believe I've seen that called out much.
https://aapsonline.org/covid-19-shou...-a-difference/
Nearly 7,500 reported disabled post vaccination. Don't believe I've seen that called out much.
https://aapsonline.org/covid-19-shou...-a-difference/
07-18-2021, 05:07 PM
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07-18-2021, 05:17 PM
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#123
Originally Posted By tk217⏩
120K people in a support group for those who suffered some type of adverse event post vaccination. 10K people joining a week.120K of what? deaths?
https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/04/27...ine-reactions/
Based on the date the vax had been out roughly 4 months when the group was deleted.
Again, I don'tknowthat the vax is "bad" per se, just that there seems to be a much higher incidence of problems vs. other vaccines.
And the math may make sense for people who are at a high risk of hospitalization or death from COVID.
That doesn't mean that it makes sense for everyone.
If you are vaccinated and still become ill with symptomatic COVID there remains a chance you could end up a long hauler.
https://www.businessinsider.com/nurs...fection-2021-6
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07-18-2021, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Love seeing people struggle with cognitive dissonance.And what is the baseline rate of these conditions in the population? IE how many would you expect to see if the vaccine were a placebo? Also how many vaccines have been administered so we can get a gauge for how bad these events are?
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...se-events.html
Some of those numbers seem a bit off from what the CDC reports as well.
You can see the risk there.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...se-events.html
Some of those numbers seem a bit off from what the CDC reports as well.
You can see the risk there.
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07-18-2021, 05:33 PM
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I don't want to get it but I'm forced to because I want to travel.
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07-18-2021, 05:48 PM
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#126
Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Well how much it matters will depend on who you ask.And what is the baseline rate of these conditions in the population? IE how many would you expect to see if the vaccine were a placebo? Also how many vaccines have been administered so we can get a gauge for how bad these events are?
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...se-events.html
Some of those numbers seem a bit off from what the CDC reports as well.
You can see the risk there.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...se-events.html
Some of those numbers seem a bit off from what the CDC reports as well.
You can see the risk there.
For those who continue to support vaccines as safe they will tell you the number of doses, not the number of people vaccinated, which will be a higher number as some people have had two doses of vaccine.
These are the same people that use the total population risk when spreading anxiety about the virus, instead of using the total risk to, say, people under age 60.
About 1/3rd of global population is under age 20 and at very low risk from COVID. 86% of the world is under age 60, but the majority of people who were hospitalized or died from the virus were over age 60.

The IFR is very low for children and young adults (e.g., 0.002% at age 10 and 0.01% at age 25) but rises to 0.4% at age 55, 1.4% at age 65, 4.6% at age 75, 15% at age 85, and exceeds 25% for ages 90 and above.

0.1% IFR at about age 45? So 63% of humans living now with an IFR of less than 0.1%.
Then there is the issue of under reporting. I read a fair argument that the highest amount of under reporting would be for very minor things, while for more serious problems the writer gave the rate of under reporting as less severe:
Based on existing studies, VAERS’s reporting sensitivity for serious vaccine adverse events is 10–50% — which also means a 50–90% underreporting rate — but even this percentage can be misleading. Note that such rates are relative to serious vaccine adverse events that are rare. Rare events will still be rare, even with a 90% underreporting rate.
I don't know that I agree with his conclusion though. If what we are seeing reported for more serious events should be multiplied X2 or X9 that seems significant.INTP Crew
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07-18-2021, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Imagine being so brainwashed you’d give up your child’s fertility for a 0.0009% chance of saving an over weight chronically ill 80 year oldShe hadn’t planned on having any more children, but now is worried that the choice may have been made for her. Krissy is concerned that the vaccine is to blame, and what this might mean for her daughter’s fertility should she get vaccinated when she becomes eligible in the coming months.
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07-18-2021, 07:58 PM
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#128
Originally Posted By katya422⏩
The only age group where vaccination might not be worth it on death rate alone is really young children but you'd need to check VAERS and compare children's adverse events to hospitalization rate to see. I don't think it's been given to many children, but some of the clinical trials have not shown much risk. I'll again point out that there is a natural rate of complications and many of the adverse events you see with the vaccine can also occur with any virus, including covid 19. There is also a baseline rate that would occur purely by chance even if the vaccine were saline.120K people in a support group for those who suffered some type of adverse event post vaccination. 10K people joining a week.
https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/04/27...ine-reactions/
Based on the date the vax had been out roughly 4 months when the group was deleted.
Again, I don'tknowthat the vax is "bad" per se, just that there seems to be a much higher incidence of problems vs. other vaccines.
And the math may make sense for people who are at a high risk of hospitalization or death from COVID.
That doesn't mean that it makes sense for everyone.
If you are vaccinated and still become ill with symptomatic COVID there remains a chance you could end up a long hauler.
https://www.businessinsider.com/nurs...fection-2021-6
https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/04/27...ine-reactions/
Based on the date the vax had been out roughly 4 months when the group was deleted.
Again, I don'tknowthat the vax is "bad" per se, just that there seems to be a much higher incidence of problems vs. other vaccines.
And the math may make sense for people who are at a high risk of hospitalization or death from COVID.
That doesn't mean that it makes sense for everyone.
If you are vaccinated and still become ill with symptomatic COVID there remains a chance you could end up a long hauler.
https://www.businessinsider.com/nurs...fection-2021-6
07-18-2021, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
His conclusion? Who is he? Can I see where this is from? Ofc multiplying adverse events by 10 will maybe change things, but why is he doing that?Well how much it matters will depend on who you ask.
For those who continue to support vaccines as safe they will tell you the number of doses, not the number of people vaccinated, which will be a higher number as some people have had two doses of vaccine.
These are the same people that use the total population risk when spreading anxiety about the virus, instead of using the total risk to, say, people under age 60.
About 1/3rd of global population is under age 20 and at very low risk from COVID. 86% of the world is under age 60, but the majority of people who were hospitalized or died from the virus were over age 60.


0.1% IFR at about age 45? So 63% of humans living now with an IFR of less than 0.1%.
Then there is the issue of under reporting. I read a fair argument that the highest amount of under reporting would be for very minor things, while for more serious problems the writer gave the rate of under reporting as less severe:
I don't know that I agree with his conclusion though. If what we are seeing reported for more serious events should be multiplied X2 or X9 that seems significant.
For those who continue to support vaccines as safe they will tell you the number of doses, not the number of people vaccinated, which will be a higher number as some people have had two doses of vaccine.
These are the same people that use the total population risk when spreading anxiety about the virus, instead of using the total risk to, say, people under age 60.
About 1/3rd of global population is under age 20 and at very low risk from COVID. 86% of the world is under age 60, but the majority of people who were hospitalized or died from the virus were over age 60.


0.1% IFR at about age 45? So 63% of humans living now with an IFR of less than 0.1%.
Then there is the issue of under reporting. I read a fair argument that the highest amount of under reporting would be for very minor things, while for more serious problems the writer gave the rate of under reporting as less severe:
I don't know that I agree with his conclusion though. If what we are seeing reported for more serious events should be multiplied X2 or X9 that seems significant.
07-19-2021, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Funny, I mentioned this in another thread, they're now denying this was ever said at all. Now that we're seeing the mRNA spread all over the body, NOW they act like this was how it was supposed to work all along.A man who should know a little something about it, Dr. Robert Malone, one of the original inventors of mrna gene therapy for vaccination, has stated that the possibility that the spike protein which was meant to stay trapped inside cell membranes in a localized area is in fact circulating through the body. He is pro-mrna vaccines and said that he thought this specific vaccine may be flawed because they began dispensing it based on bench data vs. extensive trials in animals and then in humans.
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07-19-2021, 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
Funny how if you read Janeway's Immunology, you'd have the answer to this and many more questions. No, the spike protein isn't magically confined to cell membranes. What do you suppose happens after a tagged cell is lysed? Oopsies dumbass. Maybe a review of basic biology is in order for you assclowns. Maybe Johnny boy and Karen ought to get fuking educated before they open their holes and spew diarrhea? Just a thought.Funny, I mentioned this in another thread, they're now denying this was ever said at all. Now that we're seeing the mRNA spread all over the body, NOW they act like this was how it was supposed to work all along.
And no the protein doesn't bioaccumulate. It gets bound and cleared rapidly once ur body mounts an antibody response.
Again, all of this is covered in an elementary undergrad/medical textbook. But u fuking autists don't read. You just parrot talking points. So much for "critical thinking"...
07-19-2021, 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
"that's science, ever evolving"Funny, I mentioned this in another thread, they're now denying this was ever said at all. Now that we're seeing the mRNA spread all over the body, NOW they act like this was how it was supposed to work all along.
07-19-2021, 07:02 AM
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What else did you expect Wincel to do other than just pick out details to straw man and deflect.
As usual, he misses the forest for the trees. He diverts every thread to win the argument
As usual, he misses the forest for the trees. He diverts every thread to win the argument
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07-19-2021, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Definitely more accurate.I made a couple changes to make it more true.

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07-19-2021, 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted By mulletwarrior⏩
lmao this, how retarded is this wincel guy, must be some shillBy "medical and scientific community" you mean "the state sanctioned and appointed academics cosplaying as medical professionals" and by "bring the fking hammer down on the propaganda" you mean bring the hammer down on the button that turns propaganda up to 11.
07-19-2021, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Malaysian guy, says student, but 4X published, quality of published work unknown.His conclusion? Who is he? Can I see where this is from? Ofc multiplying adverse events by 10 will maybe change things, but why is he doing that?
He is actually arguing for the vax and claiming the VAERs events/death don't support avoiding the vax. He bases his calculation on total doses, which I don't agree with. I admit that is an easier number to grab as some people have only had one dose of a two dose vaccine and the J&J vax is single dose.
So I think his percentage calculation is off, though of course I don't know exactly by how much. Kind of like his attempted analysis of under reporting- actual numbers unknown, we just 'know' due to previous research that it happens.
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The same author also has an article that lists specific situations where someone should avoid or delay vaccination. The article is date end of June, so not very old. He doesn't bring up pregnant women and just from my reading elsewhere if I were pregnant I believe I would avoid it unless the severity ramped up significantly in some dimension and even then I wouldn't do it in the first trimester.
Medical reasons to avoid or delay vaccination:
-Frail Elderly: paper from Norway, out of 100 post vax deaths they found that in 36 it was probable/possible that vaccination hastened death
-Young to Middle-Aged Females: adenovirus type vaccines linked to clotting; some countries recommending that women under 50 should get mrna vaccine/avoid adenovirus vaccine
-General Contraindications: 1] known allergy to any vaccine ingredients, most notably polyethylene glycol [PEG], 2] severe allergy to previous vaccine dose, 3] infection w/fever over 38C/100F 4] people w/active COVID infection/illness
-Unstable Immune System: Late-Stage Cancer:
"I recently had the privilege of working freelance for a physician professor, where he shared with me his experience with seven patients with stage IV cancers that were well-controlled for over five years, only to experience a sudden cancer progression right after the Covid-19 vaccine. He theorized that “vaccination disturbed delicate balance in immune surveillance of patients’ metastatic disease by recruiting immune cells of the adaptive immune system towards the vaccination site.”
In essence, the physician professor suggests that immune cells needed to control late-stage cancer might get re-directed away to mount a vaccine immunization response. His concerns are not alone. A research review published earlier this year also mentioned that “it is important to assure the vaccination would not cause a further T-cell exhaustion state which may have already been induced by [cancerous] tumour cells.
Moreover, many studies have found that Covid-19 vaccines are less or not effective in patients with cancers, especially blood-related cancers and patients on chemotherapy that are both known to harm immune cells in the blood.”
-Unstable Immune System: Autoimmunity:
"People with or at risk for autoimmunity are also at risk for post-vaccine autoimmunity, also called Shoenfeld’s syndrome.
Shoenfeld’s syndrome can include both symptoms (chronic fatigue, muscle weakness, sleep problems, cognitive impairments, fever, and dry mouth) and diseases (arthritis, lupus, type I diabetes, dermatomyositis, Guillain-Barré syndrome, demyelinating disorders, thrombocytopenia, and vasculitis). Speaking of thrombocytopenia and vasculitis (inflamed blood vessels), VITT can be viewed as a type of Shoenfeld’s syndrome too.
For mRNA vaccines, autoimmune risks have been noted earlier by the inventor of mRNA vaccine himself, Drew Weissman, MD, Ph.D., professor of medicine. “A possible concern could be that some mRNA-based vaccine platforms induce potent type I interferon responses, which have been associated not only with inflammation but also potentially with autoimmunity,” the professor stated in a 2018 research review. “Thus, identification of individuals at an increased risk of autoimmune reactions before mRNA vaccination may allow reasonable precautions to be taken.”
********************/microbial-instinc...e-6ce20018b718-Frail Elderly: paper from Norway, out of 100 post vax deaths they found that in 36 it was probable/possible that vaccination hastened death
-Young to Middle-Aged Females: adenovirus type vaccines linked to clotting; some countries recommending that women under 50 should get mrna vaccine/avoid adenovirus vaccine
-General Contraindications: 1] known allergy to any vaccine ingredients, most notably polyethylene glycol [PEG], 2] severe allergy to previous vaccine dose, 3] infection w/fever over 38C/100F 4] people w/active COVID infection/illness
-Unstable Immune System: Late-Stage Cancer:
"I recently had the privilege of working freelance for a physician professor, where he shared with me his experience with seven patients with stage IV cancers that were well-controlled for over five years, only to experience a sudden cancer progression right after the Covid-19 vaccine. He theorized that “vaccination disturbed delicate balance in immune surveillance of patients’ metastatic disease by recruiting immune cells of the adaptive immune system towards the vaccination site.”
In essence, the physician professor suggests that immune cells needed to control late-stage cancer might get re-directed away to mount a vaccine immunization response. His concerns are not alone. A research review published earlier this year also mentioned that “it is important to assure the vaccination would not cause a further T-cell exhaustion state which may have already been induced by [cancerous] tumour cells.
Moreover, many studies have found that Covid-19 vaccines are less or not effective in patients with cancers, especially blood-related cancers and patients on chemotherapy that are both known to harm immune cells in the blood.”
-Unstable Immune System: Autoimmunity:
"People with or at risk for autoimmunity are also at risk for post-vaccine autoimmunity, also called Shoenfeld’s syndrome.
Shoenfeld’s syndrome can include both symptoms (chronic fatigue, muscle weakness, sleep problems, cognitive impairments, fever, and dry mouth) and diseases (arthritis, lupus, type I diabetes, dermatomyositis, Guillain-Barré syndrome, demyelinating disorders, thrombocytopenia, and vasculitis). Speaking of thrombocytopenia and vasculitis (inflamed blood vessels), VITT can be viewed as a type of Shoenfeld’s syndrome too.
For mRNA vaccines, autoimmune risks have been noted earlier by the inventor of mRNA vaccine himself, Drew Weissman, MD, Ph.D., professor of medicine. “A possible concern could be that some mRNA-based vaccine platforms induce potent type I interferon responses, which have been associated not only with inflammation but also potentially with autoimmunity,” the professor stated in a 2018 research review. “Thus, identification of individuals at an increased risk of autoimmune reactions before mRNA vaccination may allow reasonable precautions to be taken.”
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That second article? If our media in general would be publishing more detailed information like that I don't think the level of distrust would be quite so high. Of course it would be nice if we weren't lied to earlier also.
Instead it seems to be just "everyone get the vaccine or bad bad things will happen...cases, hospitalizations, hospitals overwhelmed, masks, lockdowns, pandemic of the unvaccinated" etc.
Transparency and clear communication of facts would help a lot, even if the facts are "the data is crap, but we are seeing this amount of X from this vax, mostly in X type of people". And " this metric is X number + percentage on this date" presented with historical context. Also include all the metrics, not just the one that shows a trend that supports your fear campaign.
Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
I know that I read articles and heard talking heads say that the vaccine just stays in the arm muscle. But when I search it nearly no results.Funny, I mentioned this in another thread, they're now denying this was ever said at all. Now that we're seeing the mRNA spread all over the body, NOW they act like this was how it was supposed to work all along.

If you click through the link to the actual article the text shown in the search box is not there.
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