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post 1645648313 08-24-2021, 06:10 PM
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Brb get covid vaxx

Brb still get covid hospitalisation and fatalities

Brb still preach getting the vaccine
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post 1645648563 08-24-2021, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted By FilsGoodMan⏩
Brb get covid vaxx

Brb still get covid hospitalisation and fatalities

Brb still preach getting the vaccine
brb

post 1645648683 08-24-2021, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted By mikebadg3⏩
Arguing semantics. waste of air
Semantics doesn't mean the same thing as facts, just saiyan.
post 1645649543 08-24-2021, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
You posted this article:

"Systemic adverse events were more common after the second vaccination, particularly with the highest dose, and three participants (21%) in the 250-μg dose group reported one or more severe adverse events."

(Systemic adverse events mean "feeling sick")

The primary source says nothing about "toxicity".

But, you do you


Strong confirmation bias. Much defensiveness.

Seemed like a neutral or even positive article to me re: pro vaccination.

How much Moderna stock do you own exactly? Did you recently make a large purchase in expectation of FDA approval?
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post 1645649653 08-24-2021, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩


Strong confirmation bias. Much defensiveness.

Seemed like a neutral or even positive article to me re: pro vaccination.

How much Moderna stock do you own exactly? Did you recently make a large purchase in expectation of FDA approval?
Bonus points for pivot attempt
post 1645650083 08-24-2021, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Bonus points for pivot attempt
Just speculating about why you are so triggered over a couple of terms from an article in a science journal.
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post 1645650623 08-24-2021, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
brb

BRB 90% vaccinated
BRB let’s talk facts


% vax’ed in hospital very close to % vax’ed of population
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post 1645650843 08-24-2021, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Just speculating about why you are so triggered over a couple of terms from an article in a science journal.
No trigger. Just noticing the incitement.

Nature has several categories for submissions. Under which category is the article you posted?

Also, we still see the pivot. The discussion isn't about anyone's reaction to what you posted. The discussion is about what you posted.

You stated 250mcg is toxic then stated that successive 100mcg doses would thus be toxic.

You ignore half life and clearance rate. That's what we're discussing.
post 1645651293 08-24-2021, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted By plebmaximus⏩
JFL yeah sure no one should listen to doctors, we should listen to Fire Fighters? Nah next time I have a medical issue maybe I'll call the plumbers who fix the toilets in a hospital?


I'd rather listen to a doctor than someone who failed all their subjects in school JFL
I’m not providing any medical advice, just my observations.
Originally Posted By II
My god I can't believe a paramedic arrived on the scene of someone who was experiencing shortness of breath.

SUCH A DEADLY VACCINE.

Your logic is so fukking flawed bro.

Half the population is vaccinated, which means HALF of your paramedic calls will be to a vaccinated person.

So now you're just assuming every symptom on the house call you made was caused by a vaccine?

Did you ever go on a call before the vaccine or was everyone just healthy and you never had to?

Just lmao.
Reread my first post. What’s been concerning for most of us is the number of young and otherwise healthy individuals who claim/appear to be experiencing significant effects within days of their vaccination.

Yes we run tons of “shortness of breath” and “chest pain” calls as a matter of routine, but it’s abnormal for us to be running these calls in the healthy population. And it isextremelyabnormal for us to be seeing legitimate cardiac pathology in this group of people.

Healthy 30 year olds don’t experience myocardial infarction or stroke-like symptoms.
post 1645651493 08-24-2021, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted By 5x10⏩
BRB 90% vaccinated
BRB let’s talk facts


% vax’ed in hospital very close to % vax’ed of population
Sorry, not following your math. I think you might want to look at the vaccination status of the deceased and hospitalized.
post 1645651553 08-24-2021, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted By plebmaximus⏩
Firefighters now think they're medical professionals? JFL

stuck to putting fires out and saving cats.

SRS
LEO checking in. Used to also work in an ER. I've seen firefighters and paramedics perform 100x better than RN's.

Naive dude.

edit: ITT you learn that firefighters don't just extinguish fires.
post 1645651813 08-24-2021, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Not only are vaxcels prone to argue in bad faith, their reading comprehension is nothing to write home about either.
Excellent post! Full of points that facilitate discussion.





You understand the importance of the denominator, right?
post 1645652473 08-24-2021, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Just making sure people know your modus operandi - so I am facilitating discussion.
What's my modus operandi?

Sharing food that isn't pre-chewed?
post 1645652823 08-24-2021, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Arguing in bad faith and tying the discussion up in semantics - as you have proven already. I am just pointing it out in case there are still people trying to engage in an honest debate, so they don't waste their time with you.
Which bad faith? Can you counter it?
post 1645653213 08-24-2021, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
We already know that your reading comprehension leaves something to be desired, so here it is again:

"I am just pointing it out in case there are still people trying to engage in an honest debate, so they don't waste their time with you. "

And I'm not going to waste my time debating with someone who is clearly arguing in bad faith either.
That doesn't allow for much discussion. Neither does your lack of presenting anything to support your position.

Good talk
post 1645653783 08-24-2021, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
I presented as much of my position, as you have of yours.

Good night!
Cool. I'm glad we agree - vaccines work and pose a lower risk than covid.
post 1645653923 08-24-2021, 07:46 PM
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Israel's curves in isolation don't prove anything, we can look at curves from any number of countries (many of which are much larger) with similar or better vaccination rates -- the UK, Spain, Italy, Belgium, France, Germany -- and see the impact clear as day

Why is Israel seeing such a relatively big spike in deaths? Well there are tons of potential factors, we can start with the fact that Israel's numbers have been low throughout. Portugal is about the same population and has almost the same number of recorded cases, but they have 17,658 recorded COVID deaths versus Israel's 6,880.

Portugal has 67% of their population fully vaccinated versus Israel's 63%, and Portugal's curve looks like this

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guise the vax in dangerous because a fire medic says so. lol
post 1645654093 08-24-2021, 07:50 PM
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lol at vaccinecels coping

it's proven that for young males below the age of 30, there is a higher chance of giving dem side effects

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57781637

brb nearly just as "rare" as the infection * death rate for covid for young males

just fuking lol
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Originally Posted By forthenoodz⏩
lol at vaccinecels coping

it's proven that for young males below the age of 30, there is a higher chance of giving dem side effects

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57781637

brb nearly just as "rare" as the infection * death rate for covid for young males

just fuking lol
From your link:
"The EMA analysis of cases found:

Pfizer-BioNTech - 145 cases of myocarditis and 138 cases of pericarditis out of 177m doses given."

0.00000079096045%

"Moderna - 19 cases of myocarditis and 19 cases of pericarditis out of 20 million doses given."

0.00000095%
post 1645656063 08-24-2021, 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
I think you need to check your math there.
What do you get for 140/177000000 and 19/20000000?
post 1645656193 08-24-2021, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
https://www.globalresearch.ca/20595-...-shots/5751904
https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/russ...site-1.5767208
post 1645656363 08-24-2021, 08:26 PM
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This is not the first time you've posted Russian propaganda Tug
post 1645656893 08-24-2021, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted By lsiberian⏩
We should focus on actual stats and make sure those stats are honest, but in our day we got politicians who manipulate stats and out right lie to argue points from both sides. Then pretend they have the moral high ground.

Talk to your PCP and if you don't trust them get a new one.
Why should I trust a PCP doctor?
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post 1645657053 08-24-2021, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
From your link:
"The EMA analysis of cases found:

Pfizer-BioNTech - 145 cases of myocarditis and 138 cases of pericarditis out of 177m doses given."

0.00000079096045%

"Moderna - 19 cases of myocarditis and 19 cases of pericarditis out of 20 million doses given."

0.00000095%
my point being:
- how many of those doses were given to young males below the age of 30? this is the age group relevant to my interest.
- how many of cases HAVE NOT happened yet and might happen within the next 5 years?
- did the website state what was considered "officially" myocarditis and what constitutes as a "minor" case? is there a possibility the vaccine gives you "minor" side effects?

you can't answer these questions, right?

edit: my point being, why do i, a healthy male with no underlying health issues and not obese and "regularly' exercise, have to be forced to take a vaccine for an "illness" that young healthy males under the age of 30 don't even consist of 1% of the death rate ? Mind you this vaccine has side effects that not EVERYONE can claim to know 100% of, even 50% of 5 years from now since there's no data.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Why are you only counting myocarditis and not pericarditis?
Oh. Should we do the conditional probabilities to account for when it might be both? (that'll be a much lower percentage)
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Originally Posted By forthenoodz⏩
my point being:
- how many of those doses were given to young males below the age of 30? this is the age group relevant to my interest.
- how many of cases HAVE NOT happened yet and might happen within the next 5 years?
- did the website state what was considered "officially" myocarditis and what constitutes as a "minor" case? is there a possibility the vaccine gives you "minor" side effects?

you can't answer these questions, right?
I was just addressing the request to compare covid risk vs vaccine complication risk. Not death -- just complications from either source. (The range of covid adverse effects and the range of long-term covid infection effects)
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
did you even read the article?

it links to this website:

https://www.adrreports.eu/en/index.html

Is that fake to you?
I saw this part:

"The platform, Global Research, features a Canadian domain name and offers an ever-expanding collection of conspiracy theories, such as the myth that the 9/11 attacks and COVID-19 pandemic were both planned in order to control the population. The website also hosts articles experts have attributed to a Russian spy agency."
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
It won't be as low as your numbers, as that would mean that anyone who had one, had the other.

Senseless exercise anyway, this is just once again a deflection into semantics, and really nothing more than a waste of time.
Right, sucks when the math doesn't work in your favor
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
Anything that goes against mainstream narrative is blamed on "Russian collusion" lmao. Come on man!

https://www.adrreports.eu/en/index.html
Damn

https://www.thejournal.ie/debunked-c...67349-Jul2021/
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