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Bottom line is this: there are no theoretical or empirical reasons to believe that the vaccines are more harmful than the virus. And that includes for healthy young adults. Acutely the vaccines are safer by every metric. 1- 6 months after the vaccines are safer by every metric. Of the few vaccines historically that have led to long term complications, those side effects manifested within weeks to a few months.

The arguments about long term safety are a product of ignorance and a lack of critical thinking. Mechanistically there are far more unknowns with infection than vaccination. And of what we do know, everything suggests that infection is a more probable risk for long term chronic complications. Simply put, any argument against the vaccines is a stronger argument against infection.
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Originally Posted By OnlyHope⏩
Even if the Covid vaccine was a pure saline water miscers/anti vaxxers will still find a way to find studies which show it’s not safe and dangerous, and ma freedoms lmao, never change misc.

Imagine crying over a mRNA vaccine which is actually an amazing technology laying the foundation for future vaccines against the limitless number of viruses that can potentially emerge in the pandemic age. But it’s always about mug freedums- if you don’t get vaccinated and get sick then you shouldn’t be allowed in hospitals as it’s only fair - if you’re not willing to make a small sacrifice then why should tax payers and doctors/nurse make a sacrifice for you?
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
You don't think 20%+ overreporting of deaths is significant enough?
That's one massive assumption that the whole country has reporting errors to the same degree of one California county. I think the fact it made the news shows it's more like an anomaly. Even if it was 20% across the board, it wouldn't change my argument
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Originally Posted By CuttyUnderleaf⏩
Damn I wish I would have read this before I was vaxxed.

Actually jk and I'm glad I did because I didn't get sick when everyone around me was.


But I totally respect people's decision to get vaxxed or not--makes no difference to me I keep my distance and wear a mask more often than not
You didn't get sick when everyone around you did? How many people around you died? How many had serious complications from covid? Is it 0?

An experimental vaccine proven to not do dick against a virus with an almost 100% survival rate. That's the point of the discussion.
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
Can you guarantee that a person who takes the vaccine won't suddenly die from a heart attack or some other illness or get some kind of injury weeks after the jab? The answer is no. Statistically it may be unlikely for that to happen, but we've seen enough from social media to see that it isn't nearly as infrequent as previous vaccines.

Can you guarantee that a healthy person who gets COVID won't die, period? No, but we have Regeneron, Vitamin C, NAC, Vitamin D, Ivermectin, etc, and the chances of survival to begin with are pretty high.

So why take the vaccine? Why risk sudden death or death after a few days/weeks via the vaccine, just to reduce symptoms on the off chance that you might catch COVID and happen to be one of the .03%-.70% of healthy people that die despite getting early treatment via Regeneron, Vitamin C, NAC, Vitamin D, Ivermectin, etc? Especially for guys like you and me who have visible abs and most likely follow a healthy diet?



You don't think 20%+ overreporting of deaths is significant enough?
Can you guarantee a person won't have a heart attack before the jab with 100% certainty?
post 1646648333 09-08-2021, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
Can you guarantee that a person who takes the vaccine won't suddenly die from a heart attack or some other illness or get some kind of injury weeks after the jab? The answer is no. Statistically it may be unlikely for that to happen, but we've seen enough from social media to see that it isn't nearly as infrequent as previous vaccines.

Can you guarantee that a healthy person who gets COVID won't die, period? No, but we have Regeneron, Vitamin C, NAC, Vitamin D, Ivermectin, etc, and the chances of survival to begin with are pretty high.

So why take the vaccine? Why risk sudden death or death after a few days/weeks via the vaccine, just to reduce symptoms on the off chance that you might catch COVID and happen to be one of the .03%-.70% of healthy people that die despite getting early treatment via Regeneron, Vitamin C, NAC, Vitamin D, Ivermectin, etc? Especially for guys like you and me who have visible abs and most likely follow a healthy diet?
A few reasons.

The risk of vaccination is incredibly low. Social media should not be your starting pointing for accessing vaccine risk.

The evidence on effectiveness for some of those therapeutics is flimsy at best. And if they are helpful, a vaccinated individual can take them after a breakthrough infection and during a severe case of covid. Not like their implementation is mutually exclusive with the vaccine.

If we want to consider long term complications (a common argument for vaccine hesitancy) an effective prophylactic like the vaccine is safer than taking therapeutics after the virus has already infected the body, replicated and disseminated to susceptible tissues.
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
Why would I need to guarantee such a thing? Unless I'm forcing them to breath a gas or drink something that has the potential to trigger a heart attack, what's the relevance of your question?
Sorry, I thought we were positing ridiculous arguments.

The base rate before jab isn't zero.
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
You ran away from our last discussion without writing anything of merit. Doing the same thing this time?

If someone is mandating you to inject a substance into your body, the burden is on them to demonstrate that it has an extremely low risk of giving you an adverse reaction.

If someone is merely standing next to you and you both are doing nothing, why the FUK would they have to guarantee you dont get an adverse reaction from standing there doing nothing?
You're attempting to change the topic to vaccination mandates. The OP recommending nobody should be vaccinated. Mandates are a separate topic.

Do you have an estimate of the incidence of sudden death specifically from any of the vaccines?
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
I'm not trying to change the subject, just lol @ trying to deflect in poor faith. Call it mandating, call it recommending, call it suggesting, whatever you want. The point is, these vaccines are being aggressively marketed towards every man, woman, and child on this planet and we are being told they are safe.

What I do know, is that the total vaccine deaths is extremely low for all previous vaccines combined. The COVID vaccines have exceeded this number by a very large margin. That alone is enough to tell me that something is off. Do you refute that?

This image may be outdated, meaning the quantity of deaths may be even higher now, but even if the number was half, or even a quarter of this figure, it is still excessive.

If 10,000 people in a year get a heart attack and die pre-covid, and 60% of them got the vaccine in the past year, then 6,000 who will have died regardless, will have died after taking the vaccine. Those 6,000 get reported to VAERS.
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Originally Posted By stezus⏩
Doctors/institutions sometimes get it wrong - they're not gods. And the fact you listed some examples means those are exceptions, not the rule. This is the problem the antivax type can't get over, is throwing the baby out with the bathwater, and not just with this issue either.

To add perspective to your post and to see what I mean, in addition to your first three sentences, why not add the thousands of sentences in instances where they said something was safe, and it was? Your perspective is distorted
I completely agree.

But I, and the data will agree, that covid isn't a dangerous enough disease to warrant me being the guinea pig for POTENTIALLY harmful, long term side effects.

Everything is a cost-benefit analysis. I have over a 99% chance of surviving covid, that is a fact. I also have been tested and confirmed to HAVE covid anti-bodies..further increasing my chance for survival AND showing that I survived it once already with zero symptoms.

I have an UNKNOWN percentage chance of developing potentially life ending/altering side effects from the vaccine. I would simply rather go with the known 99% survival chance.

For someone in my position, it literally makes 0 sense to get this vaccine. If covid had a, say, 50% death rate, I tested negative for any antibodies showing that I have never had it, and the vaccine was showing to be extremely effective, then it would be a no brainer to immediately get it.
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Originally Posted By DolphinPilot⏩
You didn't get sick when everyone around you did? How many people around you died? How many had serious complications from covid? Is it 0?

An experimental vaccine proven to not do dick against a virus with an almost 100% survival rate. That's the point of the discussion.
No and i put my vaccine to the test. I was caring for my ex-MIL, it was gory…vomiting, ****ting, pissing, coughing, sweating, crying round the clock. I was covered in germs. A few weeks before then I even slept in the bed with my ex-husband when he was very sick and wouldn’t go to the hospital—I only had one vax at that time.

9: close family, friends and employees.

1-ish…she was received chemo, her prognosis was good until she caught covid.

1 my ex-MIL. She almost died in my livingroom, srs. Her O2 was 84 and would plummet when she tried to stand or move. She ended up with bilateral Covid pneumonia. It’s been weeks since she was hospitalized, she’s still on O2 and will be probably for life.


It worked for me, it may not work for others, this is just my experience.
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Miscers with no background in medicine, science, biology, statistics, public health etc are still arguing against vaccines? I thought that argument would be over by now.
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Originally Posted By freshnevafrozen⏩
Miscers with no background in medicine, science, biology, statistics, public health etc are still arguing against vaccines? I thought that argument would be over by now.
Not vaccines, just this vaccine.
Survival. When the jungle tears itself down and builds itself into something new. Guys like you and me, we end up dead. Doesn’t really mean anything. Or, if we happen to live through it, well that doesn’t mean anything either.
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Originally Posted By jackamo2887⏩
I completely agree.

But I, and the data will agree, that covid isn't a dangerous enough disease to warrant me being the guinea pig for POTENTIALLY harmful, long term side effects.

Everything is a cost-benefit analysis. I have over a 99% chance of surviving covid, that is a fact. I also have been tested and confirmed to HAVE covid anti-bodies..further increasing my chance for survival AND showing that I survived it once already with zero symptoms.

I have an UNKNOWN percentage chance of developing potentially life ending/altering side effects from the vaccine. I would simply rather go with the known 99% survival chance.

For someone in my position, it literally makes 0 sense to get this vaccine. If covid had a, say, 50% death rate, I tested negative for any antibodies showing that I have never had it, and the vaccine was showing to be extremely effective, then it would be a no brainer to immediately get it.
If you had covid already then yea, the vaccine isn't so necessary. People have to decide if they want it or not. This ordinarily would be left at that, but hospitals swell due to it being a novel virus we all get at once, so I support educating people on the facts and persuading them to do it if they're in the position it makes sense to
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
Social media isn't my only reference. Look at VAERS, look at various news outlets reporting on the deaths.

Your response has no sources, no numbers, or anything of that nature. To summarize you're just saying "it's safe, and treatments aren't, because I said so". Hard to really take it seriously.
That isn’t the purpose of VAERS. VAERS is meant to flag potential risks but not make causal conclusions. It might show an association previously not considered that can then be examined through controlled trials. Because anyone can contribute it’s susceptible to political bias. For example, after Wakefield’s fraudulent vaccine autism paper led to anti vax movements, VAERS jumped up w/ reports of autism. We now know through a multitude of controlled studies there is no connection. Sarscov2 vaccines are extremely politicized. We have controlled studies examining vaccine associated risks and the conclusions are far more reliable than anything from VAERS. Though it’s still a very important and necessary monitoring system.
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Originally Posted By stezus⏩
If you had covid already then yea, the vaccine isn't so necessary. People have to decide if they want it or not. This ordinarily would be left at that, but hospitals swell due to it being a novel virus we all get at once, so I support educating people on the facts and persuading them to do it if they're in the position it makes sense to
Educating people on the facts and even persuading someone to get it is fine. Alienating people for not getting it, segregating them, restricting them, taking away their livelihood, essentially oppressing someone into getting it (even if they've had covid, and have antibodies, which would make the vaccine as you said not so necessary) is not the way..and that is pretty much where we are headed.
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Originally Posted By jackamo2887⏩
Not vaccines, just this vaccine.
Lol same difference.
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Originally Posted By Joseph1990⏩
"Slavery is for your own protection and well being."

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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
Just like 6,000 people who would have died of cancer in a year tested positive for COVID and then got reported as COVID deaths?

Which logic do you choose to follow?

If you take the vaccine and die two days later, that's not a vaccine death.

But if you are about to die from cancer and test positive for COVID that's a COVID death.

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Let's take the issues one by one instead of jumbling them all up, as is typical here. You're conflating the non-covid deaths as covid death issue that we already discussed. I literally already admitted that happens, and not enough to change the narrative.

Be objective, take one issue by itself if we already visited the other.
Regardless of the logical fallacy, to address what you wrote in good faith, a lot of people who are dying after taking the vaccine are dying within days/weeks of taking it. These deaths are all being stated as having no relation to the vaccine, which is hilarious.

To get even more specific, let's say someone is guaranteed to die from a heart attack in 2021. They inject themselves with the vaccine on July 15th, and then die on July 18th. Do you not realize how statistically unlikely it is for them to have a natural heart attack exactly 3 days after taking the vaccine? Let's say there is a 7 day interval before and after taking the vaccine which they could've died from, that still leaves 350 other days they could've died. But conveniently, they had a heart attack within a week of taking the vaccine and that had absolutely nothing to do with the vaccine.

Is it possible? Sure. Likely? No.
All of these deaths were within 3 days of the vaccine as you're proposing? You say a lot of people are dying within days and weeks, and a lot of people were gonna die anyways in days and weeks.. I'm not seeing any new information aside from your hypothetical
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Originally Posted By jackamo2887⏩
Educating people on the facts and even persuading someone to get it is fine. Alienating people for not getting it, segregating them, restricting them, taking away their livelihood, essentially oppressing someone into getting it (even if they've had covid, and have antibodies, which would make the vaccine as you said not so necessary) is not the way..and that is pretty much where we are headed.
I'm solidly against the npc left that does just that, and it's actually why i'm encouraging people to get the vaccine. They're counting on you digging in your heels and being defiant, then laughing at you when you die, then taking advantage of the drop in republican numbers every election (will Florida still be a swing state)?

As I keep getting negged by dudes punching holes in the wall as they call me cuck and puzzy, i'm trying to keep you fuks alive so their plan doesn't happen

And it's not just matters of death, but of social estrangement. People quitting jobs and going berserk, almost all republican. Or enduring with good ol long covid
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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
That isn’t the purpose of VAERS. VAERS is meant to flag potential risks but not make causal conclusions. It might show an association previously not considered that can then be examined through controlled trials. Because anyone can contribute it’s susceptible to political bias. For example, after Wakefield’s fraudulent vaccine autism paper led to anti vax movements, VAERS jumped up w/ reports of autism. We now know through a multitude of controlled studies there is no connection. Sarscov2 vaccines are extremely politicized. We have controlled studies examining vaccine associated risks and the conclusions are far more reliable than anything from VAERS. Though it’s still a very important and necessary monitoring system.
VAERS has had multiple studies to show it is also severely under-reported.


Haven't had a chance to look at this but it doesn't surprise me:

https://greatmountainpublishing.com/...d-19-vaccines/

********************/microbial-instinc...d-14fe22b2a65f

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23597717/

etc etc - lots of info on VAERS under reporting

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Originally Posted By stezus⏩
I'm solidly against the npc left that does just that, and it's actually why i'm encouraging people to get the vaccine. They're counting on you digging in your heels and being defiant, then laughing at you when you die, then taking advantage of the drop in republican numbers every election (will Florida still be a swing state)?

As I keep getting negged by dudes punching holes in the wall as they call me cuck and puzzy, i'm trying to keep you fuks alive so their plan doesn't happen
Aren't black people the most vaccine hesitant group? What party to they typically vote for? What about hispanics?
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Originally Posted By stezus⏩
I'm solidly against the npc left that does just that, and it's actually why i'm encouraging people to get the vaccine. They're counting on you digging in your heels and being defiant, then laughing at you when you die, then taking advantage of the drop in republican numbers every election (will Florida still be a swing state)?

As I keep getting negged by dudes punching holes in the wall as they call me cuck and puzzy, i'm trying to keep you fuks alive so their plan doesn't happen

And it's not just matters of death, but of social estrangement. People quitting jobs and going berserk, almost all republican. Or enduring with good ol long covid
People shouldn't make decisions about their health (or other peoples health) based on politics...
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Originally Posted By seanb1979⏩
VAERS has had multiple studies to show it is also severely under-reported.


Haven't had a chance to look at this but it doesn't surprise me:

https://greatmountainpublishing.com/...d-19-vaccines/

********************/microbial-instinc...d-14fe22b2a65f

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23597717/

etc etc - lots of info on VAERS under reporting

Generally speaking VAERS will underreport vaccine side effects. That does not mean it always does. And again as I stated, when you bring in this level of misinformation and politicization, it makes VAERS associations potentially widely inaccurate. It’s akin to saying VAERS was underreporting autism associations when in fact — because of propaganda — it was massively over reporting them.

If any of the VAERS associations that you think are causally associated w/vaccines actually are, then clinical trials would demonstrate such. We have many. And nearly none of them are supported.
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
To illustrate my point, take 5-10 minutes and scan through this document:

https://circleofmamas.com/wp-content...n-Aug-2021.pdf

Look at how many healthy people died and look at the timeframe relative to the vaccine being taken. Obviously this is a small group of people, but imagine how many cases like this aren't given any exposure.

Hopefully you aren't going to say it's all fake or that they were all overweight or something else unreasonable.

How can any person who only cares about the truth see that document and not be concerned about the vaccine's safety?
That's a good resource, I wouldn't be surprised if most of them were actually from the vaccine (although they include all types of vaccines). There's hundreds, perhaps thousands of deaths surely attributed to the vaccines IMO. When you consider the hundreds of millions that took them though, it's pretty good odds. But it does put in perspective the utility of vaccines for young, healthy people. I believe the risks are still better with taking the vaccine, but it's why i'm strongly against mandates.

We don't know how many of those deaths that the vaccine was just the straw that broke the camels back also. I know there's a lot of cases where they say someone was formerly healthy, but that really doesn't mean much when it comes to clots. Stuff going on behind the scenes. BTW I think everyone could benefit from vitamin C/lysine to prevent those things.

Additionally, to put this all in perspective, you have a much higher chance of dying from using aspirin than you do for taking the vaccine. Sad reality is, people die from drugs all the time, it's about preferential risks

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16086703/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...tudy-suggests/
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Originally Posted By WoofieNugget⏩
I got vaccinated for two reasons:

1) Have small kids in school that are around walking germ factories and I'm 100% sure have been or will be exposed. If I'm going to get COVID I want the highest chance possible I'm going to not have a problem.

2) All of these situations people are constantly complaining about are minor inconveniences to me. Wearing a mask even though maybe it doesn't do anything? Who cares. Showing a piece of paper to a business owner who wants to stay open? Who cares. I'm not dumb enough to think that anything is going to change by a stupid pointless fight against the government, especially when you're not actually fighting against the government, you're just being a pain in the ass to somebody trying to keep a restaurant open or work in a retail store to pay bills.
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