The FDA reported that you have a 5x greater chance of dying from covid with Phizer, 4x with ModeRNA over no vax...do you only trust government data when it's convenient?

No idea-many doctors do get hooked on drugs. But they were happy to keep prescribing it-long after serious alarm bells were ringing.

Strong this…apparently a 0.2%(honestly much lower when factoring in health conditions) chance of dying from Covid is enough to warrant an experimental injection, but a 2% increase in overall mortality is no big deal.

It will all be over by spring with perhaps another weaker variant in the Autumn...unless they have another worse one to release .............then the decades of societal impact and recriminations will begin

2% week by week = 2% yearly just the same.


Fair enough on rueters, they aren't like a go to source or anything, was just first result when I Googled the dudes name from from the other link.




Why will none of you answer the simple question of why you are so quick to believe a single doctor, while refusing to accept the vast majority?

This screams a desperate attempt at convincing yourself you made the right decision.

IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE
IT'S NOT TRUE
DOCTORS ARE SMART
WAHHHHHHHH

Your lack of critical thinking skills brought you to this point. I mean, you have BLM in your sig lmao

Please quote where I have said "no chance?"

In fact, I've clearly stated the opposite. There is definitely a chance, however the evidence, simply doesn't exist yet.


Omly stupid people feel the need to rush to a conclusion.

I personally chose not to get the mrna vax. However, I'm not foaming at the mouth making asinine claims on a gay and dying bodybuilding forum about it every.single.day.

Like this:https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1653789133

For kids 12 and under the official fatality rate is something like 1 or 2 per million. Meanwhile from Pfizer's own data that they submitted to the FDA:



Save 1 boy from COVID death, put 57 in the ICU with heart problems.

I don't know if this boy's death was related to the injection. Some kids do suffer cardiac arrest. We do know that getting the shot increases Myopericarditis.

And we know that the shot doesn't stop infection or transmission.

We don't know how many of the males getting myopericarditis will eventual need a heart transplant. Prior to covid the rate for young people that had the condition was about 13% needing a heart transplant or potentially dying.

So did you get JnJ, or are you unvaxxed?

I don't trust anyone, including random screenshots of a poor families tragedy with literally no mention of a vaccine as some sort of proof of vax related heart failure .


Stay consistent, jfc.

No, they literally haven't.

Stop making **** up and believing every bs screenshot that strokes your existing bias.

It isn’t a single doctor, and there isn’t a binary approach. What is best for me is not the same thing that’s best for my mom. There could be plenty of doctors who are not recommending the injection. I just overheard a lady at my office(who has been injected, and was adamant about everyone getting injected 6 months ago) saying that her brothers doctor is now absolutely adamant that he should not get the booster due to his health condition. You cant assume that every doctor believes everyone should get injected/boosted as long as you don’t hear otherwise. And this before we even get into the aspect of people being silenced in the public eye, or even worse, being threatened with losing their license if they don’t follow the narrative. Not saying that occurs everywhere but it is happening, and no matter what the extent of it is, it is having an impact on the narrative. And we also have to look at the track record of drug companies(which doctors played a huge role in) which alone is enough to cause skepticism. And finally we have the constant changing of the narrative at best, or outright lying at worst that we’ve seen over the past two years. You are right that there is at least some confirmation bias occurring so we should all always try to recognize that no matter what side we’re on. But to me it seems one side is asking questions and wanting to evaluate all aspects of our approach, while the other is using the same tactics we’ve seen in the past regarding all sorts of issues.. which is to encourage and promote groupthink & compliance, attack and/or silence anyone who goes against the narrative, pump fear into people nonstop, and insist that your solution is the only one, regardless of how ineffective it has proven to be. That’s why people are skeptical of the official narrative being paraded forward, so it’s not like we just heard one doctor say something and went “I accept that 100%. There are a lot of factors that could lead to the conclusion that a lot of shady sh!t is going on.

It isn't a single doctor:

- if you mean Malone he is an expert in the field

- if you mean McCullough he is also a seasoned expert with more published research than any other doctor and a professor of medicine

- if you mean Bhattacharya he is a doctor and a professor of medicine at Stanford

- if you mean Desmet he holds a double masters and a doctorate, also is a professor in Ghent

- if you mean Bossche he is a noted virologist and vaccine expert

There are probably more that I'm not recalling at the moment and also experts and professionals that hold the same or similar opinions, but haven't been flogged in the press.

These are people who have come out publicly and made a case against pandemic measures and all but Bhattacharya has taken a position against the mass vaccination.

This isn't a bunch of random know nothing yahoos.

J & J


I've never tested positive forcovid either, and I'm out in the world daily, close contact hundreds of of times. Though, I doubt I'd notic if I had covid anyway and will never get tested again unless very sick. Not contributing to the ba numbers used to shut us down.

I can list 50 doctors with more and greater accreditation that disagree with that short list. They are still a vast minority.



I am not suggesting it is impossible for the vast minority to be correct, I am suggesting that your bias has you clinging to them and ignore much of the evidence contradicting.

Even your last graph shows a greater amount of hospitizations prevented than caused, yet somehow you interpreted it as the vax more dangerous than covid. It plain math, it says the exact opposite.

So he died seven months after his last shot or am I missing something, did he have a booster?

It has been well established for some time that covid hospitalization are greatly inflated. Per CDC guidelines anyone who tests positive when entering or while residing in a hospital is counted as a covid hospitalization.

Meanwhile "ICU for perimyocarditis" is a straight forward outcome. I don't believe that too many people go to the ER for appendicitis and then get counted as a perimyocarditis case.

More dangerous than covid for children.Flu is more dangerous for children than covid.

Per the graphic covid is forecast to kill 1 in a million. The vaccine to put 57 per million into the ICU with serious myocarditis. If only 10% of that 57 are seriously health compromised/heart transplant/dead? then that would be 5 or 6 kids vs. 1 kid.

I'm not saying you can't question the vaccine or decide its not for you.

I'm saying that it doesn't make any sense how the misc finds a few doctors with minority opinions, believes everything they say, while ignoring the vast majority who say the opposite.

This is basic confirmation bias

Now do the list of well qualified experts saying the vaccine is safe and effective

Legit shocked you think this.

Don’t get me wrong, the misc is one of the last bastions of free(er) speech, but even still over the last few years I’ve seen more threads get removed and more users get banned than any other time in misc history.

This reply didn't address a single part of my post?

So you posted a graph, and then adjusted in your mind based on your own interpretation of supposed juiced case numbers? Am I understanding that correctly?

Your practicing really garbage science Katya. Srs.


Covid numbers may not be accurate, however this is pfizers number and specifically regarding 5-11 yr old boys. I don't believe there is a huge issue misrepresenting the # of cases for covid hospitalization in children.


If you can't eliminate your own bias, please stop "doing your own research. "

Your absolutely in denial if you don't think the misc is 10x more racist than ever. Seriously deluded.

Place is almost completely unmoderated now. Post some porn, bam hammer used to come in seconds, now might take days.

Well you make a good point about confirmation bias and that is something everyone should try to increase their self-awareness of(myself included). And I think this thread is a good example to point it out in. We don’t know if the injection killed the kid of played a role so we can’t just assume we know. That being said it isn’t just about finding one doctor that says what I want to hear, it’s about lots of different factors and phenomenon that I’ve watched unfold for the past two years(which I briefly touched on in the post above) which lead me to having the specific view I have at the moment.

I’ve legitimately not heard any reasonable counter arguments against the points being made by these doctors though. Has anyone with a relevant background actually came out and explained how vaccinating children is a sensible idea for instance when it appears to do nothing to reduce transmission and puts them at greater risk then catching covid itself? The bulk of information being put out is “just take it”

Because it's millions if not billions of extra dollars for the vaccine companies? There's a lot of kids in the world to sell clot shots to.

Thats totally fine, I'm not telling you what to believe. But when you explain why you believe it, it has to make sense and it cant be so obviously biased like it is now.

If you're forming your view based on expert opinion, the only view that makes sense to have is very pro vaccine because that's where the vast majority of expert opinion is.

If you're forming your view based on people dying anywhere from 1 day to 1 year after taking the vaccine, you have to count it against all the people who took it and are completely fine. Do that math and then see what it looks like

on pure principle alone , i would not take the vax as you basically sign away your rights no matter how much it might fck you up now or in the future while the fkrs who make it get billions

They say “safe and effective” without defining what they mean by safe and what they mean be effective. I think it’s easier to argue they’re safe since the chance of side effects seem low, but anyone would certainly have a difficult time explaining how they’re effective, especially in today’s environment.

So my view is biased, but the entities that stand to rake in billions of dollars from the injections aren’t. Got it.

See here's the difference. Its one thing to say the vaccine is unnecessary for kids. That argument can be made and I tend to agree with it

But that's different than saying the vaccine is killing them, everyone knows it, but the vast majority of medical professionals are going with it anyway. Thats absurd.