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Thread: UFC 284: Makhachev vs. Volkanovski discussion thread

post 1677025373 02-11-2023, 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted By Bluestar92⏩
Russian sanctions in the UFC scoring have been crazy in the last year. That +305 on the Volk looks nice assuming he can hold him off 5 rounds.

Edit: Took the +575 for decision or technical.
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post 1677025583 02-11-2023, 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted By TurkBrah⏩
Sitting on someones back and not doing anything for minutes shouldnt give point.
Agreed. Go do g4p if that’s all you’re going to do
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Islam won every round except the last. Volk is a strong ass midget with a crazy gas tank.
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post 1677025663 02-11-2023, 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted By bartosh⏩
Yeah Islam just landed some bombs and had great knees in the clinch. Half of islams falls weren’t from strikes, he was just trippin around
Like Volks first fall that was more of a behind the ear hit + off balance thing. Lot more of that than real knockdown this fight. Volk intentionally making the standup awkward probably part of it.
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post 1677025843 02-11-2023, 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted By Swept⏩
Islam won every round except the last. Volk is a strong ass midget with a crazy gas tank.
not true at all... islam was the one getting gassed going for the chokes while getting soft punched in the face. Could tell they were going to give those to Islam though
post 1677025873 02-11-2023, 11:07 PM
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How to become a champion for dummies:

Focus on training nothing but grappling and just hug your opponent on the mat for 25 minutes. Don't even bother going for submission because judges will give you a point anyway. Nothing else matters...

Modern MMA in a nutshell. Who needs melatonin when you got this sh*t?
post 1677025943 02-11-2023, 11:08 PM
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I had 3-2 volk (rd 2,3,5). you could argue round 4 was volk based of damag because all islam did all round was hug volk
post 1677026023 02-11-2023, 11:09 PM
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Aldo looked unbeatable at 145 until Holloway, who then looked unbeatable and had one of the best runs ever, and Volk beat that guy. 3 times. Volk is so good and his camp is super smart. I'd pick him in a rematch even though Islam is probably by far the best in his stacked lightweight division. I think they're got the pop 1 and 2 right. Both amazing.
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post 1677026053 02-11-2023, 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted By TurkBrah⏩
Sitting on someones back and not doing anything for minutes shouldnt give point.
While being punched in the face.

The least dominant "dominant position" I've ever seen.
A young bull and an old bull were standing atop a hill looking at a bunch of heifers in a field below.

The young bull says "Let's run down this hill and fuk one of those heifers."

The old bull replies "No. Let's walk down there, and fuk them all."
post 1677026183 02-11-2023, 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted By TrueTruth⏩
How to become a champion for dummies:

Focus on training nothing but grappling and just hug your opponent on the mat for 25 minutes. Don't even bother going for submission because judges will give you a point anyway. Nothing else matters...

Modern MMA in a nutshell. Who needs melatonin when you got this sh*t?
It's been like this at times off and on. I used to think the same when Matt Hughes was dominating. That's why I liked pride rules better. Knees to grounded opponents and soccer kicks, while brutal, discouraging wrestling some. Also pride would stand up quickly if the grappling wasn't going anywhere like in rd4.
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post 1677026193 02-11-2023, 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted By ninetynine8⏩
volk would win the rm btw, i don't think islam can do much better. He played his best game while volk missed a couple of oppurtinities
Have to agree with this. Volk got better and better as the fight went on and he figured Islam out more. He would have probably finished it with 30 more secs or even less.
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Originally Posted By Zere0wn⏩
Aldo looked unbeatable at 145 until Holloway, who then looked unbeatable and had one of the best runs ever, and Volk beat that guy. 3 times. Volk is so good and his camp is super smart. I'd pick him in a rematch even though Islam is probably by far the best in his stacked lightweight division. I think they're got the pop 1 and 2 right. Both amazing.
Shows the how good they are.

The skill gap between them and the rest of the divisions.
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post 1677026333 02-11-2023, 11:14 PM
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What a load of chit. Can’t bet on ufc for this reason, entirely rigged to appeal to the obvious demographic fan base they’re trying to appeal to.

Volk won that.
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Originally Posted By ninetynine8⏩
not true at all... islam was the one getting gassed going for the chokes while getting soft punched in the face. Could tell they were going to give those to Islam though
Volk got out-struck, got dropped twice and taken down multiple times
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post 1677026563 02-11-2023, 11:23 PM
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Islam didn't look undefeatable tbh. Maybe bad weight cut or he simply hasn't faced adversity before. I think DP takes him if they face each-other. Volk did good, just didn't identify when Islam started getting tired mid round 4 and ducked for takedowns. Uppercuts would have been nice there.

Armchair MMA expert out
post 1677026763 02-11-2023, 11:31 PM
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i think we could all agree that Islam didn't look all that dominant at all and the optics/performance in round 5 wasn't that great for him


barely edged the striking, wasn't dominant on the ground but I think did enough with some heavy strikes to get by + some threatening grappling exchanges. but volk did defend a lot of that well but you don't get points for defense.
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post 1677026833 02-11-2023, 11:34 PM
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what a ****ing joke.. volk robbed after performance of a lifetime.

when islam needed a takedown the most, Alex reversed and stuffed it, then backed him down, ended up the round on top pounding him.

3-2 volk.. but wait no!! we gotta keep islam champ or division dies.. PLUS, hes khabibs but buddy.. joke
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post 1677026873 02-11-2023, 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted By 8pieces⏩
I had 3-2 volk (rd 2,3,5). you could argue round 4 was volk based of damag because all islam did all round was hug volk
yes, you could argue that but we just assume he lost that cuz islam backpacked him.

volk is amazing. but legacy ruined now due to this sht
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Originally Posted By Nicklol⏩
yes, you could argue that but we just assume he lost that cuz islam backpacked him.

volk is amazing. but legacy ruined now due to this sht
???

volk stock up big after this fight.

also, extremely reasonable to have islam winning 3 rounds. not sure what this robbery talk is about.
post 1677027533 02-11-2023, 11:59 PM
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islam weight cut definitley took its toll on him.... next fight alex needs to go up to islam's normal weight
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post 1677027663 02-12-2023, 12:02 AM
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Next Islam's fight is going to be a guaranteed flop, unless UFC again throws another superstar against him to carry the card. No one is going to pay money to watch this boring ****g0ts g4p hugging. Aussie crowd was awesome booing this neanderthal-looking bitch every time he did his trademark dive for the balls
post 1677028113 02-12-2023, 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted By bartosh⏩
Bet you khabib is gonna whoop his ass when he gets back home lmao
Haha, I said the same thing. Islam gassed in the 5th and it nearly cost him the fight, not to mention getting put on his back. Khabib is going to beat him for not working hard enough to maintain even that fairly mild pace.
post 1677028663 02-12-2023, 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted By TrueTruth⏩
Next Islam's fight is going to be a guaranteed flop, unless UFC again throws another superstar against him to carry the card. No one is going to pay money to watch this boring ****g0ts g4p hugging. Aussie crowd was awesome booing this neanderthal-looking bitch every time he did his trademark dive for the balls
Idk I'm pretty excited for Islam vs Dariush if Dariush beats charles but I think they should run this fight back
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Khabib is gonna tear up Islam for not dominating this fight.
Never thought he'd gass out like that either.
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Originally Posted By TrueTruth⏩
How to become a champion for dummies:

Focus on training nothing but grappling and just hug your opponent on the mat for 25 minutes. Don't even bother going for submission because judges will give you a point anyway. Nothing else matters...

Modern MMA in a nutshell. Who needs melatonin when you got this sh*t?
he still won technically cause he didn't get knocked out
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post 1677029523 02-12-2023, 01:15 AM
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Islam will never do this

but he should go up a weight class

khabib avoided the same thing
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Originally Posted By Nicklol⏩
yes, you could argue that but we just assume he lost that cuz islam backpacked him.

volk is amazing. but legacy ruined now due to this sht
I think Volk did amazing, and his stock / legacy didn’t drop at all. I fully admit I underestimated him, and I already was really impressed with him as the best 145’er ever. He showed up incredibly so.

As for the decision, it was a SUPER close fight, and could see it 48 vs 47 for either. But I also think this fight is an absolute textbook case of having to watch a fight on “mute” as to not let the crowd and commentary give emotional impact on what you are actually seeing and scoring.

Doesn’t matter tho. Great show by both fighters. Looking forward to Islam’s next fight, especially since he acknowledges how he has to improve.

And REALLY looking forward to Volk vs Yair. Yair’s kicks and knees will be an interesting dynamic for Volk to contend with.

Again, really impressed with Volk. This fight made me an even bigger fan. Have a new appreciation for how smart and gutty a fighter he is. Well done sir.
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Not sure why everyone's upset. Nobody lost stock in that fight. Volk better on the ground than expected and Islam better striking.

I had it 4 rounds to 1 for Islam. People being blinded by the dominant 5th round for volk and forgetting that Islam had control time and the better shots in the previous rounds. Don't like being held down for 4 minutes? Then don't get taken down or learn how to escape. It's mma.

Islam deserves all the praise. His level of competition went from bobby green to beating arguably the best LW champ to then beating the #1 p4p in his home country.


Volk is a legend and deserves all the praise for taking the challenge and doing so well. But he clearly didn't win
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Islam going to go to sleep tonight as the "p4p no 1" but know he had to panic wrestle and grapple stall a 145'er, and end up on his back taking punches to the face as the fight ended.

Volk is levels above Islam.
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Originally Posted By bfdehewdbyywhn⏩
Islam will never do this

but he should go up a weight class

khabib avoided the same thing
Hes (or Khabib) as just not the level of fighter to do that. We're talking all time GOATS, like Conor, DC, Izzy.

Hes a wrestler so relies on size and strength. He'd lose that advantage going up. So he best just talk about going up in weight like 2nd teir fighters - Jones, Anderson, Aldo, Mightymouse etc.
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