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Thread: Natural immunity found to be as effective as COVID vaccine

post 1678038423 02-27-2023, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
Dude, you defend the narrative.

And you refuse to listen to anybody who has the audacity to question it. That's not very "Science-y" at all.
Nah. I just ask for support for claims. That seems to make some folks upset.
post 1678038493 02-27-2023, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Nah. I just ask for support for claims. That seems to make some folks upset.
And then when you get them you move your goalposts.
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post 1678038813 02-27-2023, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted By frankdtank20⏩
100% Rage for the Machine. You don't question the shaky evidence for government or big pharma narratives and Covid anti-science, which have been proven false or awful and short-sighted in every aspect. You cherry pick science you like (the Machine), you create spin, deflection and attack contradictory science even when it's more thorough (i.e. this thread). Basically you're always wrong about everything with Covid because you just mentally copy/paste political and big pharma narratives.


You use dictionary definitions as an argument against common language use. Dude, don't ever do that. If you need to ask why, you wouldn't get it. You're a flesh and blood chat bot. It's funny and pathetic, but also derailing from substance of the topic so I'll do my best to just ignore your posts in any Covid thread, which will be tough since you're half of the posts and you get people arguing with you about nonsense, so a small portion of every thread actually is about the topic at hand.
First, I understand you'll ignore my posts. Not everyone is comfortable being challenged.

Second, I'm not challenging the main idea in this thread, that infection ("natural immunity") bestows acquired immunity, of course it does.

I'm challenging the narrative that infection bestowing acquired immunity somehow reflects poorly on vaccines.

There are health risks associated with immunonaive infection and health risks associated with vaccination.

The misc seems to be adamant that the latter outweighs the former, by far, despite any evidence to that effect.
post 1678039163 02-27-2023, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
And then when you get them you move your goalposts.
I don't think I do and certainly don't intend to do so.

What we have available suggests covid can and does impose many poor health outcomes beyond immediate death.

It also seems vaccines can help mitigate those poor outcomes.

The challenge is with binary thinking.

I would argue that it's possible to think Pharma companies are profit-driven, greedy corporations that continued to foster global health inequity; that all politicians are charlatans (regardless of party); and that vaccines can help - all at the same time.
post 1678040223 02-27-2023, 06:22 PM
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Wait, who administrated vaccines to people?
post 1678040313 02-27-2023, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Wait, who administrated vaccines to people?
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post 1678040333 02-27-2023, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I don't think I do and certainly don't intend to do so.

What we have available suggests covid can and does impose many poor health outcomes beyond immediate death.

It also seems vaccines can help mitigate those poor outcomes.

The challenge is with binary thinking.

I would argue that it's possible to think Pharma companies are profit-driven, greedy corporations that continued to foster global health inequity; that all politicians are charlatans (regardless of party); and that vaccines can help - all at the same time.
Enlighten us why there's numerous different types of Covid "vaccines" and not universal one.
post 1678041473 02-27-2023, 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Enlighten us why there's numerous different types of Covid "vaccines" and not universal one.
Is multiple manufacturers only a problem with covid vaccines?

Do you object to other vaccines having multiple manufacturers?
post 1678042463 02-27-2023, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Is multiple manufacturers only a problem with covid vaccines?

Do you object to other vaccines having multiple manufacturers?
that isn't what he asked.
every vaccine i can think of is the exact same vaccine regardless of who manufactures it and it's 99% effective in preventing what it was designed to do.

we have multiple covid vaccines that are different.
except for the fact none of them appear to do jack chit.
post 1678043303 02-27-2023, 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted By NitrogenWidget⏩
that isn't what he asked.
every vaccine i can think of is the exact same vaccine regardless of who manufactures it and it's 99% effective in preventing what it was designed to do.

we have multiple covid vaccines that are different.
except for the fact none of them appear to do jack chit.
Even measles and rubella?
post 1678043533 02-27-2023, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
I mean, if you don't see these questions as being intellectually dishonest, then you're not very smart.

It's either that, or you know exactly what you are doing.



You have, a few weeks ago, admitted that it was a bad idea to try and vaccinate our way out of a pandemic.

That's a goalpost move if I ever saw one.

But, it is interesting that while you are arguing " that it's possible to think Pharma companies are profit-driven, greedy corporations that continued to foster global health inequity; that all politicians are charlatans (regardless of party); and that vaccines can help - all at the same time", it is very interesting to note that somehow, while thinking all of that, you also think that no one should question the validity of mandating an experimental gene therapy onto the general population.

And that is why you are a shill.



Please quote your source of this "narrative".

And I am still waiting on you to retract your baseless accusation of the "ghost edit" as well as your apology.
... Since I'm on trial

I also said we couldn't vaccinate our way at the beginning. As did others.

I have never argued in favour of mandates and have said mandates were likely to do more harm than good, on multiple occasions.
post 1678046073 02-27-2023, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Is multiple manufacturers only a problem with covid vaccines?

Do you object to other vaccines having multiple manufacturers?
Give me a ****ing break, they're different vaccines.

J&J's selling point was that all you would need is one jab........
post 1678046203 02-27-2023, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
... Since I'm on trial

I also said we couldn't vaccinate our way at the beginning. As did others.

I have never argued in favour of mandates and have said mandates were likely to do more harm than good, on multiple occasions.
And yet you were against the Trucker protest in Canada.

Intro to Logic 101, maybe you should take it
post 1678046873 02-27-2023, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
And yet you were against the Trucker protest in Canada.

Intro to Logic 101, maybe you should take it
I don't follow.

I think it's possible to not support mandates or grifters at the same time.
post 1678047083 02-27-2023, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I don't follow.

I think it's possible to not support mandates or grifters at the same time.
They were protesting an end to the mandates, and you were against their protest. Tells us all we need to know.
post 1678047163 02-27-2023, 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Give me a ****ing break, they're different vaccines.

J&J's selling point was that all you would need is one jab........
Do you also take issue with measles, mumps, and rubella (and maybe varicella) vaccines?
post 1678047243 02-27-2023, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
They were protesting an end to the mandates, and you were against their protest. Tells us all we need to know.
I was against their unclear message, CT promotion, methods, the ridiculous leadership, and grifting.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
First, I understand you'll ignore my posts. Not everyone is comfortable being challenged.

Second, I'm not challenging the main idea in this thread, that infection ("natural immunity") bestows acquired immunity, of course it does.

I'm challenging the narrative that infection bestowing acquired immunity somehow reflects poorly on vaccines.

There are health risks associated with immunonaive infection and health risks associated with vaccination.

The misc seems to be adamant that the latter outweighs the former, by far, despite any evidence to that effect.
How long does immunity last if jabbed (remember..it's not a vaccine by definition)..?

Because early on, they had evidence of natural immunity lasting years..

"Immunity to the Coronavirus May Last Years, New Data Hint"


Blood samples from recovered patients suggest a powerful, long-lasting immune response, researchers reported."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...unity.amp.html


"How long might immunity to the coronavirus last? Years, maybe even decades, according to a new study — the most hopeful answer yet to a question that has shadowed plans for widespread vaccination.

Eight months after infection, most people who have recovered still have enough immune cells to fend off the virus and prevent illness, the new data show. A slow rate of decline in the short term suggests, happily, that these cells may persist in the body for a very, very long time to come.

“That amount of memory would likely prevent the vast majority of people from getting hospitalized disease, severe disease..."
post 1678048193 02-27-2023, 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
How long does immunity last if jabbed (remember..it's not a vaccine by definition)..?

Because early on, they had evidence of natural immunity lasting years..

"Immunity to the Coronavirus May Last Years, New Data Hint"


Blood samples from recovered patients suggest a powerful, long-lasting immune response, researchers reported."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...unity.amp.html


"How long might immunity to the coronavirus last? Years, maybe even decades, according to a new study — the most hopeful answer yet to a question that has shadowed plans for widespread vaccination.

Eight months after infection, most people who have recovered still have enough immune cells to fend off the virus and prevent illness, the new data show. A slow rate of decline in the short term suggests, happily, that these cells may persist in the body for a very, very long time to come.

“That amount of memory would likely prevent the vast majority of people from getting hospitalized disease, severe disease..."
I think you're talking about cell mediated rather than humoral immunity. I'm not sure because you're also maybe talking about waning antibody levels?

Vaccines induce both cell mediated and humoral immunity.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I think you're talking about cell mediated rather than humoral immunity. I'm not sure because you're also maybe talking about waning antibody levels?

Vaccines induce both cell mediated and humoral immunity.
I'm just posting what the NYTimes published..

"Eight months after infection, most people who have recovered still have enough immune cells to fend off the virus and prevent illness, the new data show. A slow rate of decline in the short term suggests, happily, that these cells may persist in the body for a very, very long time to come.

“That amount of memory would likely prevent the vast majority of people from getting hospitalized disease, severe disease..."


If you want to to inquisite about what they published, I'm sure you can email them..

but you did not answer my question..How long does immunity last if jabbed?
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Originally Posted By Paul
I'm just posting what the NYTimes published..

"Eight months after infection, most people who have recovered still have enough immune cells to fend off the virus and prevent illness, the new data show. A slow rate of decline in the short term suggests, happily, that these cells may persist in the body for a very, very long time to come.

“That amount of memory would likely prevent the vast majority of people from getting hospitalized disease, severe disease..."


If you want to to inquisite about what they published, I'm sure you czn email them..
Fair enough

I dunno if they should be expected to defend our of context excerpts though.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Fair enough.
again..you did not answer my question..How long does immunity last if jabbed?
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(Plus it's paywalled)
post 1678048823 02-27-2023, 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
(Plus it's paywalled)
you can catch it before it's blocked, just keep refreshing the page.

(that's how I was able to copy and paste some of the context)

can you answer the question now
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Originally Posted By Paul
I'm just posting what the NYTimes published..

"Eight months after infection, most people who have recovered still have enough immune cells to fend off the virus and prevent illness, the new data show. A slow rate of decline in the short term suggests, happily, that these cells may persist in the body for a very, very long time to come.

“That amount of memory would likely prevent the vast majority of people from getting hospitalized disease, severe disease..."


If you want to to inquisite about what they published, I'm sure you can email them..

but you did not answer my question..How long does immunity last if jabbed?
Right up to the release of the next booster, then you need to get jabbed again to be "up to date" with your immunity.

SCIENCE!
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Originally Posted By iabs⏩
Right up to the release of the next booster, then you need to get jabbed again to be "up to date" with your immunity.

SCIENCE!
Based on friends and relatives experiences, I don't think they even last that long.
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Originally Posted By Paul
you can catch it before it's blocked, just keep refreshing the page.

can you answer the question now
Cell mediated or humoral?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Cell mediated or humoral?
which one stops people from becoming sick, hospitalized and dying from Covid?
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Originally Posted By Paul
which one stops people from becoming sick, hospitalized and dying from Covid?
Both?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Both?
not based upon all the people I know that took it.
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