Thats a bit of a strawman, I dont think anyones saying 6/10 men have a harem of 2s.

whats happening is a 2/10 woman at least occassional gets fuked by 6/10 men and that becomes their bare minimum standard. So, the 5 and below men cant get anything, because 2/10 woman getting fuked by 6s every so often inflates their standards.

And theres tons of evidence showing this happens literally everywhere. This is common knowledge now, its on CNN for goodness sake

Pretty much. The more BS that you see over and over again with repeated experience just makes you jaded and tired. I’ve fukked a lot. Had a bunch of relationships, bang buddies, dates, married FWB that kept me around in secret; everything in between and at 31 absolutely nothing surprises me anymore. The degeneracy is astounding. It’s a race to the bottom at this point. I’ll probably look back one day and be glad I never got fully caught up in it, like with a marriage or something.

Women mostly want the same men. I’m a pretty decent looking dude ( no Chad) and I’ve got 3 women right now that I could ask for a relationship and they’d say yes. I’ve had sex with all 3 of them in the past couple of weeks. One is 23, one is 29 and the other is 30. One I worked with a while back, and the other two are from Tinder.

the whole incel thing definitely highlights a huge issue with our culture/society

why do places like american and japan have this issue while other countries dont?

america specifically seems to give birth to psychopaths and antisocial people. cultural marxism has something to do with it i think.

What's on CNN is the loneliness epidemic for young men, which is real. That doesn't get you to the conclusion that the cause is due to the inflated egos of 2/10 women.

Also, people aren't robots. Even if very occasionally a 2/10 hooked up with a higher value man, it doesn't mean she'll now never consider a guy below that. Ask a man who at some point ever dated a 9 and who was crazy if that means he'd never consider a 6 with a way better attitude and personality.

For the vast majority of women, their standards won't allow them to date anyone below their bare minimum standards. Study after study shows women would rather be single than be with an average man.

For women, they financially don't need men anymore. So for many women, they would rather just be single and ride the cock carousel until a desperate 6/10 and above men is ready to settle down with them.

Your average 4/10 dude may OCCASSIONALLY fuk a 2/10 and 3/10 when shes drunk and wasted, but very rarely are 4/10 and below men are getting into relationships now.

60% of men below 30 are single. I'd wager over 90% of them who are 4/10 and below are single.

Before social media and dating apps, 4/10 and below men could manage to get with ugly women. Today, I'd wager 90% of ugly men below 30 are single. It's a different ballgame and no one is talking about it. I can almost guarantee marriage rates will see a sharp drop in the next 10-20 years and over 80% of men overall will be single.

Thought experiment: Imagine a good looking guy, but he is quiet, nervous, displays a lot of anxiety and shows no signs of being confident in himself - does he still get poon enmasse?

This is the problem with your understanding, you struggle to parse out behaviour and looks from an individual.

But in fairness to you, this is difficult to do with good looking people because high-status behaviour overlaps MASSIVELY with good looks.

But at the end of the day, you are overly attributing success to their looks and not enough to their behaviour. I already know your retort here “yea, but they act that way cos they look good!”. Agreed, but it’s still important to recognise that ultimately it’s behaviour that is doing a lot of the leg work, because it’s relevant to this next point…

High-status behaviour, i.e. confidence, charisma, being easy-going, charm, humour, etc can come about through other means BESIDES looks. THAT is the most important take-away here.

I bet my life savings that despite your workplace success and cleanliness, you exhibit a high degree of low-status behaviour, and that your fuk up friend, despite being a mess and a fuk up, exhibits a good amount of high status behaviour.

For example, take something like neediness, a classic low-status behaviour. I bet women can smell that emanating from you from literally miles out.

You all are so feast or famine.

Im 5'9. Early 40s. Lots of matches online dating. Thing is it is SO boring...and these girls all want a relationship (even when they have a hookup profile). So you end up just ghosting 99.9% because its not worth the annoying personality you have to deal with. Most Chads are nexting more now...it will all balance out brahs.

Oh and can confirm. If you drive a 100k car, look young, clean cut, and hot you can mog anyone in the gym 6'4 250lbs. Dont care. Their spirit crumbles the second you start doing cherry pickers in front of the mirror in the most populated area of the gym. Make sure to wear gray sweatpants so your dong flops around.

Learn how to mark your territory nerds.

There wouldn't be so many lonely sexless men everywhere if women were reasonable with their standards willing to fuk men on their own level. Obviously. Otherwise they would be fuking those women and this issue wouldn't exist in the first place.

You'll often hear women say that they'd rather be single(as in no relationship but fuking men they find attractive when the chance arises) than date a man who is on their level.

More baseless assertions from someone with no experience whatsoever. Also, produce those studies, lol. And remember the claim which the study has to support, that 2/10 women have insane standards due to occasional flings, and now will never drop below those standards, lol.

You mention high status behavior such as "High-status behaviour, i.e. confidence, charisma, being easy-going, charm, humour"

I'll agree all of those things matter when you meet the looks threshold. Let's say your a 8/10 looks wise but you exihibit none of those things but your friend is a 7/10 looks wise but he exihibits all those things. Your friend will get more women because he still meets the looks thresholds and those factors push him over the edge.

If you don't meet the bare minimum looks standard, then none of those things matter. BBMG can have the confidence of Trump, and charisma of The Rock, and the humour of Kevin Hart but women won't give him the time of day because he's 5'3 and women immediately eliminate him from the dating pool for his height.

High status behavior only matters when your 6/10 and above. If your a 4/10 man acting super confident, it can honestly turn some people off. They'd say "He's ugly as fck why is he acting like he's a mogger and he pulls???"

I don't hear that often at all, actually. Maybe you do, but I doubt it.

you have it backward. most of us understand that if you're very off in other ways, being good looking might not be enough(still often is at least to get laid).

But the reverse is not true. It doesnt mean that you can be ugly and make up for it for it by being funny. Not anymore. Because looks are a gatekeeper. They are a threshold. Women only even care about other things if she is physically attracted to you or even imagine fuking you.

thats what some of you miscers just cant wrap your head around. for a growing number of men, they are not attractive enough to these women where anything else even matters.

because you're old and out of touch. I hear this all the time. They say there's no point in forcing attraction, they dont NEED a relationship anymore so they dont see a point in settling. which is true. women only used to settle because they economically and culturally coerced.

Why would a woman date a man on her level when she can easily find a man who is above her level?

This sort of thing has existed throughout human history actually. Woman generally get into relationships with older dudes who are richer than them. But at least before it was limited to dudes in her proximity and who would hit on her in person

Today, she has every dude within a 100 mile radius and she can easily find a dude who's way out of her league easily by pressing buttons

OK but like others have said in this thread VERY few men out there have the time and are willing to put in the effort to juggle multiple women like that. You lonely internet limpdick porn addicts think there are huge swathes of "Chads" going around cleaning up on Tinder all day every day, duping women into thinking they are in relationships, but that kind of activity requires a serious amount of time and effort nobody realistically has.

This is because you see them on dates no hvm would bother taking one out and wasting money or time on them but when your kinda drunk and horny and none of the hot chicks respond you just go to her place and smash then leave right after Source im a strong 8 and just the other day I smashed a 1.5 because I was desperate drove to her place smashed left right after went nc. this kinda thing happens way more common than you think haven’t you ever heard chads joking about their slampigs or how ugly girls give the best head?

Why on earth would anyone be “turned off” by a 4/10 being super confident? That makes no sense. I’d bet virtually everyone would find him magnetic and impressive.

What I think you actually mean is “egotistical” or “over-confident”. In other words, the 4/10 is acting “douchey”, and yes this will turn off many people.

As for the rest of your post, you’re still falling into the trap of overly attributing looks. I hoped that explaining the reasons behind that (i.e. that good looking men almost always exhibit attractive behaviour) would make you reflect on things a bit more.

Anyone remembers a few years ago where everyone was criticising women for making babies with idiots?

Now in the age of tinder and stuff where women can choose the 10% everyone complains that the other 90% dont get to breed lol!

"Too old," lol. I'm not that much older than you, I dated (until pretty recently) with the apps (though not exclusively), and am fully cognizant of the trends. I like the retort of someone in his thirties is to call a guy who's five or six years older a "boomer," lol.

Also, notice how you're now changing the claim. You said you hear women often say, "I would rather be alone than date a man at my level," not "You can't force attraction." The latter is reasonable but it has nothing to do with a 2/10 woman not ever wanting to date a man at her level ever again. This goal post changing is what you guys do.

Yup and men like you are part of the problem. Your fukking lower tier women and getting her standards up

But honestly I can’t even blame you and would do the same thing if I was horny. If your Chad lower tier woman are the easiest thing in the world

It’s easy to blame other woman and Chads, but I blame the system.

Ban dating apps, legalize escorts, and fast track the technology for sex robots. Only way to reverse the current trend

This is why monogamy was legally enforced for centuries.

Who the hell are you close enough to to be talking to about this chit?

Silencespeaks? You realize (s)he tries to piss people off here?

I struggle to believe you're talking to this with women you're attracted to and are in the courting stage. Wouldn't be a good discussion

Which is ironic because I feel like they just don't want to face that they're whores, but I digress..

this isnt changing the goalpost. 2/10 men are not attractive. Neither are 2/10 women. But men need sex so badly, that they will willingly settle into a relationship with women like that if it is the only way they can get any.

Not the case for women. If left to their own devices, women would rather stay single than be with someone they arent attracted to. Hence why we used to culturally and economically coerce women into having no choice. Because otherwise this is what we get. exploding amounts of men alone and sexless.

Yep. A lot of the old ways that people now look at as being "backwards" or "heavy handed" were actually based on wisdom and being honest about human nature. Now all of this "progressive" type shyt completely wants to deny the unsavory aspects of human nature, and not only that...but often glorify them.

That's a major aspect in how societies fall...and it's almost certainly by design.

-Strong 8
-Drove to smash a 1.5/10 due to desperation

Pick one, brah.

Joking, it might happen, but it happens far less frequently than incels think, and it certainly doesn't happen to the extent that unattractive women are no longer interested in considering men at their level.

He put it best.

No, it’s as I said. The tendency is to overly attribute looks. If more good looking men were shy, unconfident and anxious, you’d be able to more clearly see the significance of behaviour. But this is nigh on non-existent. Pretty much all good looking men also exhibit attractive behaviour.

Dude your absurd

I seriously can’t imagine you not believing 6/10, 7/10, and 8/10 dudes are fukking 5/10, 4/10, 3/10 when they’re drunk and horny.

Dudes want sex, and they’ll significantly lower their standards for a late night hookup when they strike out with hot girls

I think your being retarded on purpose

we're agreeing on this part.

what I dont agree is telling ugly men that they can make up for it with the right behaviours. Those things dont come into play unless you pass the barrier of looks in the first place. and that barrier is getting higher and higher.