I linked an investigation.

So any study that is posted on social media is null and void from then on?

So any study that is posted on social media is null and void from then on?






I know this one isn't a study, but the thinking seems sound. Any proof that that the vaccine magically avoids the cell of the heart?



All under this post:

"But you can't prove it though."

Um, the people who would usually be expected to investigate have a huge disincentive to do so.

"Well if you had a mechanism..."

There are several being investigated.

It’s pretty much impossible to have any type of meaningful discussion with him. He administers the injections, so he clearly has a vested interest in how people view them as well as how people view Covid. That’s why he has been spamming about all of the side effects of “long Covid” and posting other ridiculous stuff like claiming that omicron is as severe as delta. That’s also why he insists on downplaying or outright denying obvious harm done by the injections. I enjoy your posts though so not saying you should stop, just don’t expect any honest discussion with him.

Can't hide the bodies from the insurance companies.

Or the morgue trucks, 2023

https://www.thesun.co.uk/health/2101...shift-morgues/

It's a pesky virus fo sho.

These are non-covid deaths.


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It's a bit of an overstatement to suggest nobody is investigating excess deaths.

It's just that the CT's have no support of evidence

1. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I'm a student of history.
2. You talk about evidence. I'm literally one of the guys that investigates and gathers evidence. I'm trying to tell you. As of right now. Nobody is gathering evidence. And if someone wanted to, there is no way to share it.

If you die suddenly and I find evidence that you were vaccinated and boosted. And an autopsy shows you died of myocarditis. The 'evidence' of your vaccination is not reported. There is simply no data-base to log it. There is simply no way to document it in a way that can be searched for and analyzed. You died of natural causes. End of story. There is no investigation to determine what caused it.

Do you not see the concern? People seem to question police and government corruption in all areas except with the vaccine.


You can keep pointing out there is no evidence that the vaccine causes problems. I'll keep pointing out nobody is trying to find evidence that it does, and if anyone does find evidence of it. They don't share it.



There is no data to back it up. There is no way to log that data if it were to exist. That's the problem.

People can claim whatever they want. Because there is no-way to be proven wrong either way as of yet.

Thread is full of gayness arguing semantics, but posts like this are a wakeup call on how the world is run. People don't do chit until there is a need. There is no "need" because there's no evidence of the need. There's no evidence because somebody has decided there's no need to collect it. Do you see the flaw?. "It's perfectly safe, STFU, there's no evidence" is the argument you vaxcucks have made and you are not interested in making sure. The complete lack of curiosity and naive belief that everyone profiting off this venture are just good souls that should be taken at their word is nauseating.

The lack of evidence is enough for you vaxcucks and you are willing be the mandate TPTB need to get the rest of us to take this unproven jab. Patsies and cowards.

But I posted a link to one such investigation.

Are you still referring to the Norwegian deaths? Because that's not what we're talking about RE a proper investigation into excess deaths and a potential vaccine link - something I believe that you're well aware of.

But what excess deaths?

Did you read the reports discussed by the dude in the video in the OP?

No.

big and bold for you

I think the health risks of vaccination are orders of magnitude lower than the health risks of immunonaive infection.

I also think the state of the world created a cottage industry for CT's.

Orders of magnitude? Sure, if you're 95 yrs old. For someone under 40 the vaccines are the commonality. You're not an honest actor in this. You're like a realtor that spams a conversation among people who think it's a bad time to buy a house with "now's a great time!!"

Or the morgue trucks, 2023

https://www.thesun.co.uk/health/2101...shift-morgues/

I, for one, am shocked.

Especially since those reports are the topic of discussion

He discusses them in the video, so why would I necessarily need to go and read them myself? Could do if I cared enough / was interested enough to see the data, but I'm happy enough hearing summaries of them.


So, going back to what we were previously discussing, do you cede the point that referencing an article talking about Norwegian deaths following vaccination, and some being confirmed as down to vaccine side-effects, is not the same as what I've said would be more needed to actually draw conclusions on excess deaths and possible vaccine causes?

To me, it seems your perspective/claim is that nobody is investigating excess deaths and trying to prove they are caused by vaccination.

I offered an example of an investigation of possible vaccine-related/caused deaths.

It would be unfair for me to ask you to prove a negative.

But, I think it's also unfair to ask me to provide an example of something that proves your claim, when my argument is that the data are not available.

Except that all that you provided was something from 2021 where the Norwegian government investigated the deaths of a couple dozen elderly people - that's not even close to governments and health organisations investigating the excess deaths that are being seen across developed nations.



I agree; that would be unfair of me, but it's not what I'm doing - I've simply pointed out that nothing's been to investigate the excess deaths being seen around and a potential link to the vaccines, so when you, or anyone else, asks for proof of the vaccines being linked to excess deaths, it's a moot point - which I believe you're aware of - since no real investigations have been carried out into this. No evidence can be cited because no governments or health organisations seem to want to look into it. All this when they've gone from touted as safe and effective to it now being acknowledged that they can in some cases cause blood clots, heart issues etc, even death, and that's not just limited to elderly or frail people.

I saidTHERE ARE NO EXCESS DEATHS IN 2023. Straight from the CDC, which was supposedly the source for the previous graph showing a huge increase in 2023.

I'm not convinced nothing is being done.

But, is it possible people haven't proven or published supporing evidence for your hypothesis because they cannot demonstrate your claim?

Look at the year over year trends in non-covid excess deaths published in the reports.What is that you want someone to prove?

Which is fair enough, could well be being looked into without governments and health organisations making the public aware of it (if anything, it'd probably be something they'd want to avoid making public knowledge to avoid any potential panic it could cause).



Certainly, although I feel like it's more likely that the results would be published to show the findings vs hushed up.



There's a belief that the covid vaccines could play a part in the excess deaths. Most developed nations are largely vaccinated and yet are seeing excess non-Covid deaths - investigation into the cause of this is something I'm surprised isn't being called for. Whether it's the vaccines or alcoholism or obesity - or anything - it'd be good to see it investigated, and it's odd to see knee-jerk reactions in people when it's suggested that the vaccines - which are known to, in at least some cases, cause side effects including blood clots, heart issues and death - could be at fault. It's almost as if they've become sacrosanct, and to even intimate that they might have a part to play is blasphemous, and I just don't understand it.

What’s behind the mystery of thousands of excess deaths this summer?

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...hs-this-summer

It seems fallacious to conclude nobody is looking, or considering vaccines, simply because they aren't finding vaccines to be the cause.

Am I missing something, because I don't see anything in there talking about how there's an international push from governments and health agencies to investigate excess deaths.

It seems fallacious to post an article that references excess deaths and use it as some attempt to show how excess deaths are actively being investigated. Especially given that you earlier posted a link talking about investigations being ordered into the deaths of a couple dozen elderly people and saying "see, investigationsarebeing done!" when it's already established that the concern is on a macro level, not a micro one.

You said nobody is looking at excess deaths or considering vaccines. That appears to be a false claim.