They are checking out because many become jaded after being pump and dumped by chad and not being able to find a guy that they want to commit to them. There are millions of vids uploaded everyday of women crying their eyes out of being ghosted or used for sex by guys. Meanwhile, stats show 63% of young men their age range are single.

Example of females crying themselves to sleep over men:

Yes, its truly scary. Men with money go on instagram and simply scout women, its like fishing with a huge ass net. And since everything is private, **** gets real nasty there."Penalize promiscuity in men?". Who do you think is in charge of making these decisions lol. The men with the power and the money to enforce such rules are the most promiscuous of all, and the men in society that arent making these decisions but have the most influence over the rest of society and contribute the most are ALSO the men that can be "promiscuous".

And you just expect these men to gather around and say "hey guys, from now on, you gotta only fuk your old ass wives and forget about all of your hot young girlfriends, come on guys we gotta do this for the better of society"



You dont know how humans are like? Where are you getting this idea that humans are this morally righteous well intended species lol. When in history has a civilization ever decided to have the people at the top give what they have to the people at the bottom?

Would you be okay with somebody telling you that there is a family with no running water and no access to medicine somewhere, and that in order for them to have those things, you are going to lose your access to luxurious things that you dont need for survival such as phones, internet, good cars or whatever?

Open your eyes man. The world isnt fair and it isnt equal. This WILL end up in some sort of revolution, but it wont be because of the people at the bottom and at the middle forcing the ones at the top to do anything. It will be because the people at the top will understand that some corrections need to be done in order to regain some sort of balance, and then these people will throw some scraps at the rest of society in order for things to be back to normal.


If you were a highly attractive men with access to multiple women, you wouldnt be okay with anybody telling you that you cant fuk these women, just as if you were a rich person you wouldnt be okay with anybody telling you that you dont need a 10 million dollar house or a 150k car and that you have to sell those, buy a house and a car that are 10 times cheaper so you can keep on living your life, and give the rest of the money to people that cant afford houses or cars.

Single parenthood is on the increase, so it'll get worse before it gets better. It's a problem both men and women need to address; both sexes are weak morally right now.

Single parent household will always fall on the shoulders of the woman. Reason: Women control the vast majority of dating and which man becomes a father. If a woman picks poorly then the family unit formed will also be poor.

More and more women are ending up like this when their plan to baby trap Chad and get him to commit to her backfires.

Either you misread my post or you just erected a strawman for some strange purpose that I don't understand.

I never said we are some morally righteous species. That's why we need either strong cultural (religious) norms or economic incentives to enforce monogamy in the first place. Now, religion is not in our toolkit anymore, realistically. So we need to use incentives. If you decide to opt for economic solutions, i.e. make it more expensive to be promiscuous, a smaller portion of men will afford to do it, so it will happen less. Incentives work. And the ones doing it the most would probably still be the rich high-value elite males.

As for the men who have more access to women and also set the rules and how unrealistic it is for them to enforce monogamy and penalize promiscuity - well, that's exactly what happened historically:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...?ref=quillette

I'll quote from this paper again: "Given its historical rarity and apparent ill-fit with much of our evolved psychology, why has this marriage package spread so successfully? Historically, the emergence of monogamous marriage is particularly puzzling since the very men who most benefit from polygynous marriage—wealthy aristocrats—are often those most influential in setting norms and shaping laws. Yet, here we are."

At some point, we moved from polygyny in the elites to monogamy as the main norm for everyone. Now christianity is gone, and we are slowly reverting back to the old system - I agree with you that women sharing high-value men will happen more and more in the course of ten years. But it's not a desirable solution as this is associated with a larger pool of incels which if large enough can destabilize society.

Will there be men (and women) who cheat and **** around in any society, even ones enforcing monogamy? Of course, we are a bunch of lustful apes after all. But you can design institutions and norms that influence the direction society takes. Currently, the pool of incels is growing. If "high-value men" don't act in time, what would stop the incels from eventually teaming up against them? It's naive to think there will be no consequences of a steadily growing pool of sexless, purposeless angry men.

It's getting worse. I think dating apps were just the first one. I think AI will come into play and will identify the girls who are DTF and will basically promote them to guys that just want to smash, despite what they put on their profile. It will just track trends, what they message each other with, things like that, to match accordingly. Probably also use the same kind of thing where they will find the guy's that creep out girls and will shadowban them. Either that or a way she can make her profile look like a church girl and then where you can't see her preferences are that she wants endless ONS's getting rawdogged by hung chads.

Not just this but I think being a sloot is more socially acceptable. I have seen dating profiles where girls are like "I'm not here to be your pen pal or play games" and some even go on to basically say they want to meet and be taken care of. They have profiles that look like an escorts profile but they are just looking for dick.

Yeah, of course promiscuity and polyamory isnt a solution, society is going to hit a wall going 150 mph, and its going to happen SOON.

Im not saying laws, social rules, a push of religion etc wouldnt work, of course thats the way we made it work in the first place, thats how society made this huge leap and became the advanced society we are today, no faster development was ever seen as the one society had when marriage, religion and monogamy started being implemented and sold as the one and only way.


All im saying is, to "punish" promiscuos men just seems like a silly idea to me, or a very bad way of putting it, because these promiscuous men are the men that actually will make the rules. Once **** hits the fan, whoever is in charge will have to make some adjustments to the way we live, but not as a "punishment" but more like a common goal type of thing. So everybody wins.


I dont see any of this ever taking place with feminism though, and women being a huge part of the workforce. Good luck selling women the idea of settling down for mediocre men even if these women are capable of taking care of themselves. Women need to be brainwashed again but in the opposite way that they were brianwashed in the last few decades. Put emphasis on home chores, kids, and getting married, and forget about this chasing the bag bull**** that is enforcing so much this "aint dont need no man" mentality.

That change would take decades tho, so thats why i say, we are only getting started with the social issues, they are going to get much worse.

Women always want high tier men boyo… that’s in their nature. Even in staunch Islamic society, if you don’t enforce sharia on them, they fuk chads. Believe me this. It’s not just a western phenomenon.

Yeah when guys say they see losers with hot women it’s usually because they are looking at that guy through a man’s lens. You may see a skinny twink loser but the girl he’s dating sees good hair good cheekbones good jawline, eye area. A lot of men can’t judge other men’s looks (no homer)so they only judge other men from status and physique not realizing women mostly care about facial genetics.

What do you and your boomer friends have to do with Gen Z dating? Is it that hard to comprehend people who grow up in different times have different experiences?

Ah I understand. I wouldn't favor "punishment" unless you think of taxation as punishment. We do this already with behaviors we don't want, e.g. it's common to tax alcohol consumption to get people to drink less. You can still drink alcohol of course, but if you want to engage in behaviors that impose costs on society you'll have to pay for it. The market doesn't price it properly. Same thing with slooting around, whether it's for women or men. You'll be free to sloot if you want, but it should cost you.

And I agree, we'll have to move away from traditional feminism. But I wouldn't be so sure we cannot sell that to women eventually. There's already women promoting the "trad wife" lifestyle on social media. Maybe in time women will understand that the idea of trying to act like men - slaving around and work and be tired all the time and not raise children - is not in their best interests.

And once the incels start getting violent women may remember that they need men for physical safety lol. We're all the products of peacetime. Agree with you on the last point, people probably won't start making changes until things have gotten much worse.

We are already seeing incel violence. There was a story not to long ago of a man gunning down women.

"Memphis man suspected of killing four found dead of self-inflicted gunshot

Mavis Christian Jr allegedly killed three women and a teenage girl during a domestic violence rampage Saturday night, police say


A suspect in Tennessee who allegedly killed four people and seriously injured a fifth victim while on a domestic violence rampage died of an apparent self-inflicted gunshot while on the run, according to authorities.

Officers conducting a manhunt for Mavis Christian Jr, 52, found him dead in his car early on Sunday after shootings at three locations in Memphis on Saturday night that left three women and a teenage girl dead – another teen girl was critically wounded."

Your logic has some serious holes in it, because you are looking at things from a modern perspective and trying to apply it to the past.

There were massive issues with succession, property rights, property claims and non stop conflict between sons of men who had different mothers that were all legally married to their fathers. From a legal perspective, polygamy had become a nightmare and it was leading to bloody feuds and in the case of elites conflicts that sometimes resulted in wars.

Monogamy solved many of these issues. Your wife though, and her family, became an extension of yours in marriage. It ensured property rights, official lineage, a mans rights over his kids, etc. This is what brought stability, not the one man/one wife dynamic that people try to present today. The reality is that many men never bred not because they were not chosen, they never bred because they died like flies compared to women and there were always more women than there were men throughout history. By the time a man was 30, 50% of all other men would have been dead. Half the reason why the Muzzies allowed polygamy was because there were so many widows, often with kids.

They were still phucking whores and mistresses left and right though. That never stopped, and brothels and whores were everywhere. Wealthy men also had slaves, and they were phucking them non stop. Often slaves were bought mostly for sex.

Their wives were not their only sexual outlet because wives were not for sex, they were for children and family.

Elites are not going to change a thing. They have access to prime pussy, like they always have. They are still getting married and having kids too.

The reality is that WOMEN are completely out of control because they are retarded, overgrown children who have been given agency. On top of it, to make it even worse, we have given them lopsided advantages in the court system and culturally to the point where they have been elevated in social stature and class well beyond what their feeble brains are capable of dealing with. We have basically given immense power to selfish, overgrown children who are currently destroying western civilization brick by brick with their actions and with the way they vote.

This ends when society collapses, or women are put back in the kitchen and told to shut the phuck up.

She could choose better men, it's often a downfall of women, but saying he's too immature at 26 is also ridiculous. Like I said, it's both.

i literally dont know any incels irl except myself and super fat men.

I do since I live near tech companies. Incels are all over.

But sloots wont even give them a second glance until they want kids and need a beta provider. An incel isn’t going to give a chit about her slooty past.

The problem is that men's influence exist in the real world, women's influence exists on only fans and interwebs. Men shame women from time to time lol

Most men out earn most women, most men are stronger than women, most women are in debt

Lets get down to what's really going on in the west. Social media and dating apps has given women more options than ever before. Hence, why most womens body counts has risen and made it more competetive for men. Women have the option to sleep with guys way above thier league in terms of looks, money, status. Meanwhile it's made it more difficult for most guys in general

What you said is true but don't think for a second that sloots are enjoying relationship dynamics either...

I think the situation will get better. Women are starting to realize the current dating/romantic landscape isn’t really benefitting them either

I am starting to see more decent looking girls with average guys

The pendulum typically swings back the other way

We will have robots by then and AI will be super adavanced

- Male robots that can make a woman cum 20x a day and have no refractory period
- Female robots that are 10/10 and submissive AF, loyal and have pussy is tight is a prime teen

Humans will stop fukin with each other

he said being in a relationship in 2023 is a burden on women retard. didn't realize I was living in another year

I see that too but often times those are couples that are together since they are young, at a point where some girls just didnt realize their market value.
You can always tell if they met in real life or on a dating app. An average guy is not getting **** on apps and most dating now a days is happening online. This wont get better anytime soon.

I do agree that the pendulum will swing back but we are far from it.

I think what is needed is awareness, a general understanding of whats actually happening. Alot of girls would probably change their behaviour if they understood current dating dynamics.

Women standards rise, they just pick chads, then they get played and used for casual only. They do think however that they are in the same league because they dont understand that men hook up with girls below their market value. Eventually girl gets mad at men, thinks all men are trash because the chads she pics doesnt commit to her, not realizing that 80% of men just standing there watching, feeling left out. But they are not interested in them because they think these guys are below her since she is constantly hooking up with chads and it creates a delusional female who doesnt understand her worth in the dating market.

Everyone is unhappy apart from the guys who are running through chicks.

Why does everyone keep talking about AI robots. It's not going to happen in your lifetime

To the op: remember when you watched 5th element for the first time in 1995~ and you thought “gee i wonder if people will really get wild with their hair/tats/piercings in the future”. Well now you know. Same for sloots. But worse.

By all means, name one thing that makes you think anything would improve about it in our lifetime.

Women are attracted to a very small minority of men. Several studies confirm that sloots consider less than 10% of men in their prime age(15-35yo) attractive. Sloots also desire men much taller than them, which is problematic because a very small minority of the male population is over 6 feet so most men are simply not good enough for women just because of their genes they can't control.
Lastly women are attracted to men with evil and primitive traits such as psychopathy and narcissism. Those men are mostly murderers, thieves, drug dealers, gang members and all kinds of criminals and they get rewarded with pussy by women. In other words women collectively increase crime by breeding with men who pass those primitive traits on the next generation.

The female primitive brain supports polygyny. Sloots prefer to belong to the harem of a top tier man than be the exclusive gf/wife of an average man. In other words women prefer to be sidebitches than the main bitch. Of course those top tier men know their worth and use this opportunity to have as much fun as possible. They pump and dump hundreds of women but eventually they can only marry one of them which leads to another absurd phenomenon. Women complain ''where are all the good men'' because a top tier man didn't marry them despite having lots of sex with them so now those bitter women have to settle for an average man.

I think it’s going to get worse before it gets better, but it’s kind of annoying cos I think it’ll start getting better towards the tail end of my life when I am old and withered.