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post 1696697483 01-20-2024, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
Again, you have to show levels differ between the test rats to such a degree that it would effect outcome and explain why you think there would be such a degree of variance
*affect
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I answered your question(s) - with a reference.

No ad hominems were levied.

I do not think I'm a pseudo intellectual (which is an ad hominem).

Your not understanding the answer isn't on me
You did not provide an answer so there is nothing to "understand". If you are going to make a claim, you need to provide evidence for it.
post 1696697863 01-20-2024, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
You did not provide an answer, so there is nothing to "understand". If you are going to make a claim, you need to provide evidence for it.
I took the liberty of editing your post.
post 1696697923 01-20-2024, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
You did not provide an answer so there is nothing to "understand". If you are going to make a claim, you need to provide evidence for it.
Wat?

The authors state their outcomes are counts, times to event, and cycle thresholds.

Those outcomes violate the (universally understood) assumptions of ANOVA and t-tests.

The authors state they used ANOVA and t-tests

What is your argument?
post 1696698493 01-20-2024, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Wat?

The authors state their outcomes are counts, times to event, and cycle thresholds.

Those outcomes violate the (universally understood) assumptions of ANOVA and t-tests.

The authors state they used ANOVA and t-tests

What is your argument?
Again, ANOVA,/Analysis of Variance, is just a test used to determine differences between research results from three or more unrelated samples or groups.

It is perfectly reasonable to use ANOVA when you want to test a particular hypothesis between groups, determining the relationship between an independent variable and dependent variables.

The Shapiro-Wilk test is just a statistical test used to check if a random sample comes from a normally distributed population. Nothing wrong with using that test for what the authors set out to do..which was to find the potential neurodevelopmental implications of the vaccines, especially in susceptible groups such as pregnant women and their offspring.


You are looking for something that is simply not present
post 1696698713 01-20-2024, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
Again, ANOVA,/Analysis of Variance, is just a test used to determine differences between research results from three or more unrelated samples or groups.

It is perfectly reasonable to use ANOVA when you want to test a particular hypothesis between groups, determining the relationship between an independent variable and dependent variables.

The Shapiro-Wilk test is just a statistical test used to check if a random sample comes from a normally distributed population. Nothing wrong with using that test for what the authors set out to do..which was to find the potential neurodevelopmental implications of the vaccines, especially in susceptible groups such as pregnant women and their offspring.


You are looking for something that is simply not present
ANOVA comes with statistical assumptions.

Those assumptions are not met by these data.

ANOVA is inappropriate for these data and study design

A normally distributed dependent variable is not one of the assumptions of ANOVA.

The Shapiro-Wilk test is irrelevant.

Who told/trained you that it's a relevant consideration?
post 1696698803 01-20-2024, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
ANOVA comes with statistical assumptions.

Those assumptions are not met by these data

A normally distributed dependent variable is not one one those assumptions

The Shapiro-Wilk test is irrelevant.
Again..you have to prove those assumptions would yield different results, explain why that is the case, and what makes you think that variable changes/outcome..?
post 1696698983 01-20-2024, 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
Again..you have to prove those assumptions would yield different results, explain why that is the case, and what makes you think that variable changes/outcome..?
I don't have to prove anything de novo.

ANOVA assumes continuous dependent variables and sphericity. Fact.

Counts are not continuous. Fact.
post 1696699073 01-20-2024, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I don't have to prove anything de novo.

ANOVA assumes continuous dependent variables and sphericity. Fact.

Counts are not continuous. Fact.
Yes, the ANOVA test does..that's not going to change the results of the study..if you are arguing another test would yield different results..you have to prove that. Degrees of freedom are accounted for in a ANOVA test
post 1696699153 01-20-2024, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
Yes, the ANOVA test does..that's not going to change the results of the study..if you are arguing another test would yield different results..you have to prove that. Degrees of freedom are accounted for in a ANOVA test
They didn't share the data.

Degrees of freedom have nothing to do with this. What are you talking about?
post 1696700643 01-20-2024, 10:01 PM
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The crew bailed, too
post 1696703143 01-20-2024, 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
I haven't even analysed the study yet, but from the git-go, you need to appreciate the difference between the prenatal brain, where the potential for neurodevelopmental aberration is absolutely enormous, versus a fully developed human brain (I'm assuming everyone here is over 25 years old) which to my knowledge, isn't even susceptible to a neurodevelopmentalaberration.


Not a good comparison even from that, OP. And I'm skeptical of the very idea of "autistic rats" too. I would have thought autism is a nuanced condition which kind of needs the complexity of human behaviours to manifest in any clinically significant sense of the term.
speaking of autistic rats^
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Originally Posted By Paul
Again, ANOVA,/Analysis of Variance, is just a test used to determine differences between research results from three or more unrelated samples or groups.

It is perfectly reasonable to use ANOVA when you want to test a particular hypothesis between groups, determining the relationship between an independent variable and dependent variables.

The Shapiro-Wilk test is just a statistical test used to check if a random sample comes from a normally distributed population. Nothing wrong with using that test for what the authors set out to do..which was to find the potential neurodevelopmental implications of the vaccines, especially in susceptible groups such as pregnant women and their offspring.


You are looking for something that is simply not present
No, he’s looking to just troll and he finds it all the time. Just remember…this is an example of how he acts in a thread discussing a study that he thinks is trash and disagrees with the findings.

https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...light=diabetes


Zero percent desire to engage in meaningful discussion. One hundred percent desire to just troll. Seems like an odd way for a grown man to spend so much of his valuable time, but I guess everyone is different.
post 1696710153 01-21-2024, 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
No, he’s looking to just troll and he finds it all the time. Just remember…this is an example of how he acts in a thread discussing a study that he thinks is trash and disagrees with the findings.



Zero percent desire to engage in meaningful discussion. One hundred percent desire to just troll. Seems like an odd way for a grown man to spend so much of his valuable time, but I guess everyone is different.
So you agree with Paul that the analyses in this paper are solid?

Definitely a curious approach to review and discussion
post 1696710693 01-21-2024, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I Heart Covid!
You're torn between actually wanting covid and getting daily injections and boosters... isn't that right,scientist.
It's a hot night. The mind races. You think about your knife: the only friend who hasn't betrayed you, the only friend who won't be dead by sunup. Sleep tight mates, in your quilted chambray night shirts.
post 1696711883 01-21-2024, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
So you agree with Paul that the analyses in this paper are solid?

Definitely a curious approach to review and discussion
if you feel a study must be done using different standardized tests, we'll wait for your work to be published
post 1696714283 01-21-2024, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted By Paul
if you feel a study must be done using different standardized tests, we'll wait for your work to be published
This paper didn't report "standardized tests".

Y'all have interesting approaches to review.

I publish plenty. No ANOVA's for a very long time tho
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
This paper didn't report "standardized tests".

Y'all have interesting approaches to review.

I publish plenty. No ANOVA's for a very long time tho
Share it with us then... Scientist.
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post 1696722483 01-21-2024, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
Share it with us then... Scientist.
Haha.


Not looking to doxx myself, boyo
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
Share it with us then... Scientist.
Christ, we have another Wincel wannabe......
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Finally some new Based studies not bought out for propaganda.
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Originally Posted By murlocman⏩
Finally some new Based studies not bought out for propaganda.
There's the study, then there's the blog post and the refusals to evaluate the study
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Christ, we have another Wincel wannabe......
Lmfao at him expecting anyone to believe someone who dedicates large chunks of his life to trolling a gay, dying, Indian bodybuilding forum is on the front line of scientific research. Not to mention he was also supposedly on the frontline of providing MRNA injections to people while knowing (un)surprisingly little about the process.


Not as bad as wincels evolution from a basement dwelling incel who lives with his father to a top notch athlete with a doctorate making 6 figures all in the span of one year….but still J.L.C.’s larping is still extremely hilarious.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Lmfao at him expecting anyone to believe someone who dedicates large chunks of his life to trolling a gay, dying, Indian bodybuilding forum is on the front line of scientific research. Not to mention he was also supposedly on the frontline of providing MRNA injections to people while knowing (un)surprisingly little about the process.


Not as bad as wincels evolution from a basement dwelling incel who lives with his father to a top notch athlete with a doctorate making 6 figures all in the span of one year….but still J.L.C.’s larping is still extremely hilarious.
I have to say I'm a little disappointed that a well-paid analyst refuses to discuss questionable analyses
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