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02-16-2018, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
Yeah thats not even remotely close.http://www.vpc.org/studies/justifiable.pdfGuns are used in self defense around 65k to 100k a year FYI

Last year I spent more money on spilled liquor in bars than 99% of miscers make in a year.
02-16-2018, 11:52 AM
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02-16-2018, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted By rdwire88⏩
No, but it's safe to say that you expect an easy solution to a complex problem.Is it safe to say here that if you are anti-gun, you are a giant phucking possay?
02-16-2018, 11:59 AM
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Just airdropping this off
https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/pr...rkland-florida
February 16, 2018
FBI Statement on the Shooting in Parkland, Florida
On January 5, 2018, a person close to Nikolas Cruz contacted the FBI’s Public Access Line (PAL) tipline to report concerns about him. The caller provided information about Cruz’s gun ownership, desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and disturbing social media posts, as well as the potential of him conducting a school shooting.
Under established protocols, the information provided by the caller should have been assessed as a potential threat to life. The information then should have been forwarded to the FBI Miami Field Office, where appropriate investigative steps would have been taken.
We have determined that these protocols were not followed for the information received by the PAL on January 5. The information was not provided to the Miami Field Office, and no further investigation was conducted at that time.
FBI Director Christopher Wray said:
“We are still investigating the facts. I am committed to getting to the bottom of what happened in this particular matter, as well as reviewing our processes for responding to information that we receive from the public. It’s up to all Americans to be vigilant, and when members of the public contact us with concerns, we must act properly and quickly.
“We have spoken with victims and families, and deeply regret the additional pain this causes all those affected by this horrific tragedy. All of the men and women of the FBI are dedicated to keeping the American people safe, and are relentlessly committed to improving all that we do and how we do it.”
https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/pr...rkland-florida
February 16, 2018
FBI Statement on the Shooting in Parkland, Florida
On January 5, 2018, a person close to Nikolas Cruz contacted the FBI’s Public Access Line (PAL) tipline to report concerns about him. The caller provided information about Cruz’s gun ownership, desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and disturbing social media posts, as well as the potential of him conducting a school shooting.
Under established protocols, the information provided by the caller should have been assessed as a potential threat to life. The information then should have been forwarded to the FBI Miami Field Office, where appropriate investigative steps would have been taken.
We have determined that these protocols were not followed for the information received by the PAL on January 5. The information was not provided to the Miami Field Office, and no further investigation was conducted at that time.
FBI Director Christopher Wray said:
“We are still investigating the facts. I am committed to getting to the bottom of what happened in this particular matter, as well as reviewing our processes for responding to information that we receive from the public. It’s up to all Americans to be vigilant, and when members of the public contact us with concerns, we must act properly and quickly.
“We have spoken with victims and families, and deeply regret the additional pain this causes all those affected by this horrific tragedy. All of the men and women of the FBI are dedicated to keeping the American people safe, and are relentlessly committed to improving all that we do and how we do it.”
02-16-2018, 12:07 PM
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Do you spend your free time standing outside of gun stores with a tape measure and clip board measuring men's dicks?And *******s with gun obsessions also coincide with having tiny dicks.
Because I've never seen anyone conducting this study.
02-16-2018, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Yes it is the FBI's fault, not the relaxed gun laws this country has where a deranged 19 year old can legally obtain firearms.Just airdropping this off
https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/pr...rkland-florida
February 16, 2018
FBI Statement on the Shooting in Parkland, Florida
On January 5, 2018, a person close to Nikolas Cruz contacted the FBI’s Public Access Line (PAL) tipline to report concerns about him. The caller provided information about Cruz’s gun ownership, desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and disturbing social media posts, as well as the potential of him conducting a school shooting.
Under established protocols, the information provided by the caller should have been assessed as a potential threat to life. The information then should have been forwarded to the FBI Miami Field Office, where appropriate investigative steps would have been taken.
We have determined that these protocols were not followed for the information received by the PAL on January 5. The information was not provided to the Miami Field Office, and no further investigation was conducted at that time.
FBI Director Christopher Wray said:
“We are still investigating the facts. I am committed to getting to the bottom of what happened in this particular matter, as well as reviewing our processes for responding to information that we receive from the public. It’s up to all Americans to be vigilant, and when members of the public contact us with concerns, we must act properly and quickly.
“We have spoken with victims and families, and deeply regret the additional pain this causes all those affected by this horrific tragedy. All of the men and women of the FBI are dedicated to keeping the American people safe, and are relentlessly committed to improving all that we do and how we do it.”
https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/pr...rkland-florida
February 16, 2018
FBI Statement on the Shooting in Parkland, Florida
On January 5, 2018, a person close to Nikolas Cruz contacted the FBI’s Public Access Line (PAL) tipline to report concerns about him. The caller provided information about Cruz’s gun ownership, desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and disturbing social media posts, as well as the potential of him conducting a school shooting.
Under established protocols, the information provided by the caller should have been assessed as a potential threat to life. The information then should have been forwarded to the FBI Miami Field Office, where appropriate investigative steps would have been taken.
We have determined that these protocols were not followed for the information received by the PAL on January 5. The information was not provided to the Miami Field Office, and no further investigation was conducted at that time.
FBI Director Christopher Wray said:
“We are still investigating the facts. I am committed to getting to the bottom of what happened in this particular matter, as well as reviewing our processes for responding to information that we receive from the public. It’s up to all Americans to be vigilant, and when members of the public contact us with concerns, we must act properly and quickly.
“We have spoken with victims and families, and deeply regret the additional pain this causes all those affected by this horrific tragedy. All of the men and women of the FBI are dedicated to keeping the American people safe, and are relentlessly committed to improving all that we do and how we do it.”
Last year I spent more money on spilled liquor in bars than 99% of miscers make in a year.
02-16-2018, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted By Future24⏩
Did I miss where you showed when he was officially declared "deranged", and who made that decision? Aware me on thisYes it is the FBI's fault, not the relaxed gun laws this country has where a deranged 19 year old can legally obtain firearms.
02-16-2018, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted By Future24⏩
You dont always use a gun to kill the bad guy you know right? 99.999999% of the time brandishing is enough. Majority of the time they dont get reported either
02-16-2018, 12:15 PM
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02-16-2018, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted By Future24⏩
In the majority of defensive gun uses, no shots are fired.Yeah thats not even remotely close.
Often shots are fired and nobody is hit.
80% of people shot by handguns survive.
As you can see, in thevastmajority of defensive gun uses, nobody dies.
02-16-2018, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
What do you think the word "threatened" means?You dont always use a gun to kill the bad guy you know right? 99.999999% of the time brandishing is enough. Majority of the time they dont get reported either
Last year I spent more money on spilled liquor in bars than 99% of miscers make in a year.
02-16-2018, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted By Future24⏩
What gun law would have stopped him?Yes it is the FBI's fault, not the relaxed gun laws this country has where a deranged 19 year old can legally obtain firearms.
02-16-2018, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted By HayZues
Interesting, so in the last 30 years dicks have been getting smaller and smaller? Maybe its the same chemicals that make the frogs gay.And *******s with gun obsessions also coincide with having tiny dicks.
02-16-2018, 12:32 PM
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02-16-2018, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted By Future24⏩
According to your graph a firearm was used approximately 300k times over a 4 year period = 75k a yearWhat do you think the word "threatened" means?
Right no where close to what i said
02-16-2018, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted By Future24⏩
"Did I miss where you showed when he was officially declared "deranged", and who made that decision? Aware me on this"Stricter background checks.
What about his background should have shown up on a background check??
02-16-2018, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted By Future24⏩
What more background would they have done? He passed a background check so it doesnt do much good when you say "stricter" what could they extra check? Is the doj supposed to start going door to door in your area and ask people if they think its okay for someone to buy a firearm? Start doing lie detector tests? What?Stricter background checks.
02-16-2018, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
LOL this.What more background would they have done? He passed a background check so it doesnt do much good when you say "stricter" what could they extra check? Is the doj supposed to start going door to door in your area and ask people if they think its okay for someone to buy a firearm? Start doing lie detector tests? What?
02-16-2018, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted By Future24⏩
Stricter how? Scour thier social media? interview family and friends before purchase? More intensive also means more time consuming and expensive. So who's paying? Seriously, it’s so easy to spout off nice three word solutions, but the idea itself is never the issue, implementation is.Stricter background checks.
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02-16-2018, 12:50 PM
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Looks like FBI ignored a second tip about this guy. This is in addition to the youtube thing.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.3825007
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.3825007
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02-16-2018, 12:58 PM
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02-16-2018, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted By nm1891⏩
Israel figured it out and they're under constant attackStricter how? Scour thier social media? interview family and friends before purchase? More intensive also means more time consuming and expensive. So who's paying? Seriously, it’s so easy to spout off nice three word solutions, but the idea itself is never the issue, implementation is.
02-16-2018, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
How about the 50+ police reports on him?"Did I miss where you showed when he was officially declared "deranged", and who made that decision? Aware me on this"
What about his background should have shown up on a background check??
What about his background should have shown up on a background check??
Edit:”sheriff’s deputies responded to his home 36 times in just six years.”
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02-16-2018, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted By midcoastking33⏩
What did Israel figure out?Israel figured it out and they're under constant attack
02-16-2018, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted By xxmrbeastxx⏩
You're going to have to be more specific, and not "answer" a question with a question.How about the 50+ police reports on him?
Did I miss where you showed when he was officially declared "deranged", and who made that decision? Aware me on this
What about his background should have shown up on a background check??
02-16-2018, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Read the edit.You're going to have to be more specific, and not "answer" a question with a question.
Did I miss where you showed when he was officially declared "deranged", and who made that decision? Aware me on this
What about his background should have shown up on a background check??
Did I miss where you showed when he was officially declared "deranged", and who made that decision? Aware me on this
What about his background should have shown up on a background check??
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02-16-2018, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted By xxmrbeastxx⏩
That's not specific. What are you implying but unwilling to say, that if LE responds to your home X number of times in Y period, you are banned from buying guns and put on a national no-guns list?Read the edit.
He's 19, and this list of visits goes back 6 years? What was he doing when he was 13 that you think should have him on this list?
02-16-2018, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
I think it’s fairly obvious that something like that should be on a background check. And if it’s not a standard background check they need to be more in-depth.That's not specific. What are you implying but unwilling to say, that if LE responds to your home X number of times in Y period, you are banned from buying guns and put on a national no-guns list?
He's 19, and this list of visits goes back 6 years? What was he doing when he was 13 that you think should have him on this list?
He's 19, and this list of visits goes back 6 years? What was he doing when he was 13 that you think should have him on this list?
Which would = stricter background checks
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02-16-2018, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted By xxmrbeastxx⏩
What needs to show up on a background check?I think it’s fairly obvious that something like that should be on a background check. And if it’s not a standard background check they need to be more in-depth.
Which would = stricter background checks
Which would = stricter background checks
Be specific
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
effective screening methods. stop with the 100,000 posts of nothing but non sequitorsWhat did Israel figure out?
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