Black people are generally blind Democrat slaves.

Democrats don't like guns

There you go

Since the mods closed my thread I'll post here.

My thoughts on MGTOW - would you rather be MGTOW or average?
MGTOW gets a lot of negative opinions on this forum and in some causes it is deserved but not always.

I have a neighbour who is MGTOW. Since graduating high school he has never had a job, never done any further studies, he has just sat at home in his rich parents house and played video games and played his guitar. He's a self confessed MGTOW. Is he pathetic? Maybe because unlike most men he isn't pursuing women. However, 90% of the guys we went to school with are now betas who have mortgages, kids and are married/divorced to average chicks and life has them by the balls because of it. Another one of my friends has an alright looking girlfriend (above his league) but he has to pay for a huge house, cars, holidays, etc to maintain/attract her. The other 10% of guys either don't get laid much or are extremely good looking and get laid often (but these guys all end up pussywhipped to a girl at some point after knocking up "accidentally" a girl)

A lot of MGTOW is about awareness of possible consequences from past experiences of others. Once you buy the house and get married she'll get fat and the sex stops. If you choose to get married the laws are in her favour (even if you're not married and just live together). I'm not MGTOW but a lot of their principles are rock solid.

Truth be told a lot of guys go through life like a lost little boy in a forrest not knowing or understanding what's going on in life or their relationships and end up married to an average girl after 10 years of wage slaving and 30+ future years paying a mortgage etc. These guys often look down on MGTOW because they "get no girls" but truth be told I'd rather be MGTOW than be that.

I'd rather be MGTOW and get nothing than work my ass off like a slave to get an average girl. In my opinion the pecking order goes:
1) High value males
2) MGTOW
3) Average joes.

But if you're not good looking, really rich, high status, cool, interesting, tall, good at socialising, intelligent, lucky, live in a good area, have a good social circle, respected, etc etc (the list goes on) then how hard it is to become high value. Truth be told 95% of this forum are nowhere near high value.

With opportunity so low it's no wonder some may choose to give up the chase and live a hedonistic lifestyle where money, jobs, hobbies, video games, diet etc all suddenly become 10% as important as they once were, I'd rather be that than average.



Cliffs - either be really high value or MGTOW. Don't be inbetween.

Ehh, I don't think it's necessarily that black and white.

I think a lot of people **** up and run in to marriage because That's What They're Supposed To Do, without really thinking it through. That's probably not going to go well.

But OTOH, I've seen 40-50 y/o men who've never been married, and their lives aren't exactly something to envy. Most of them just get unbelievably desperate and latch on to some hilariously low quality women - srsly, I've got stories that sound like made up redpill stuff. Aside from that, we're talking morbid obesity cause they DGAF about looks, working 80+ hrs/week at work just because they don't want to come back to an empty house, hording worthless **** cause they've maxed out their IRA contributions and don't know what to do with their money... it's not good.

If you run into a cool chick worth marrying, then go ahead and do it. If you don't, then don't force the issue. But I don't think setting out and going "**** dem hoes, MGTOW crew!" is really the right answer.

You're not planning your time effectively. It's not the case of low productivity > no productivity at all, if that low productivity is grinding you down and stopping you from being productive in the future l. If by no productivity you are resting and resetting your mind to be significantly more productive in the future then no productivity > low productivity.

If your deadline is so close that resting your mind is not an option then you have managed your time very poorly.

This. in todays dating culture, men are finally realizing that it is not possible, or the effort is too great to reach the point where they can reasonably attract women who are of decent caliber. It's a no brainer - a lot of guys do want to start families and have that dream, but womens' high standards are preventing that. so if you realize that over 5ish years that that lifestyle is likely not going to occur for you, you just make the decision to throw in the towel on finding someone, which means dialing back on a lot of the things you are doing to try to improve your chances. maybe its staying in better shape, going out to meet more people, taking more risks, learning how to socialize. Obviously you need to do those things regardless of woman, but you would be lying if it is at least partially motived by it - hence "dialing back". Onceyou dial back and living your life for you, you start realizing what you really want to do. whats the point in getting a 50 dollar fade haircut and a nice 400 dollar blazer to go out to the clubs when you have intention of impressing anyone? spend it on a new toy instead.

On the other end, the media portrays womens' struggles of not being able to find a man to settle down with. they are "not educated enough", "just want to have fun", "play video games,etc". The irony of the whole thing, is that, for a lot of men, the reason why they aren't marketable is because womens' own high standards cornered them into that lifestyle. A lot of men are hearing this, and are just sitting back, laughing, and going "haha have fun with your careers and trying to start a family, we have not sympathy, we tried and were not good enough and are sick of having our value defined by you, brb going to go on a vacation and play my xbox"

The tides are starting to shift - doesn't mean things are getting easier for men for dating, it means men are just re-shifting their life priorities. the onus will be on women this time. The desire to start a family is a huge biological driver for 95% of woman and they are realizing that men don't have any desire to try with them.

I've never once seen a miscer with an actual 7/10 gf and i've been here for over 8 years

excellent post, I agree with just about all of it.

The way it works in modern times mgtow is the better deal for most men

so the 40-50 yr old single guys has more money than they know what to do with, more time than they know what to do with, and you see this as a problem?

If they arent happy like that, they sure as hell wouldnt be happy slaving for some fat post wall wife that doesnt fuk them

another fantastic post that totally understands MGTOW

for more and more men, the winning move is to not play. simple as that.

They don't need menfor that. There is a growing community of "choice moms" (http://www.choicemoms.org/about/about_choice_moms/) who are going to their local sperm bank, getting a vial of6'5" blue-eyed blonde sperm for $75, and starting single-parent families by themselves. VICE even did a story on one such "choice mom" who's still a virgin (https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8...regnant-virgin).


Obviously this industry relies on the willingness of men to be sperm donors, but future advances in technology may render sperm completely unnecessary to the process.


Other women who refuse to settle but yet do not want to, or cannot, reproduce will simply become cat-lady spinsters. It's not as stigmatized as it was in the pre-birth-control-pill era, and many are happier tbh (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyZysfafOAs)


As these trends grow, Idk where this will take society. But then again, I don't really care tbh lmao

the only big thing will be the need for immigrants to make up for birth rate declines

It's not that simple. Hedonism gets really boring, really quick - ever heard of the hedonic treadmill?

Most people need a purpose in life, they need a reason to get up in the morning, they need to be needed. Sitting around and playing Xbox, or spending all your time making money you don't need for an employer who DGAF about you isn't going to fulfill you and make you happy.

If your idea of fulfillment is raising children to become successful adults, or being the shot-caller patriarch that a family depends on, then a $2000 bonus check and some evenings off are going to do nothing to fill that void.

Went out and got yucky with the boyos last night to celebrate the job. Danced my ass off. Few chicks actually said yeh.

Non fat ones?

I know that feel bro. Yesterday, my oneitis agreed to go to dinner with me, and we talked about life, feels, and dating (of which neither of us has much experience) lol but I am still friendzoned...I think (not really sure because she hasn't been dating other people, and seemed flirty). However, it felt better than nothing. We have a connection, and even if we don't end up together, she might be my first real long term female close friend. I felt great today and actually wanted to be productive. I still want something more with her, but I'm not going to try to rush it or get my expectations up.

Yeah. I think everyone was just extra lit.

Do you care about getting numbers now or are you just going with the flow of things and seeing what happens?

its going to hurt when she's dating other guys.

Going with the flow. Even though I have zero options, and I'm more thirsty than ever ? Im not wasting time to take Ls and get flaked on. A few of my buddies keeping telling me to "just get out there", but Im like cuz I was out there for years.

lol she has some orbiters, but she's not dating any other guys

youve become an orbiter. She won't remain single forever.

Always cut women who rejected you out of your life. Save some dignity and false hopes.

WAT?

She's waiting for the right guy to sweep her off her feet. This is basic common sense. When that happens, you'll get ghosted by her and it's going to sting like a motherfcker. (srs)

you're delusional if you don't think she's fuking at least one of those guys

Congrats on the job and dancing with some bitties. Obviously nowhere near the real thing, but I find that grinding on girls once a month eases the pain of being perpetually celibate.

Based on what I've seen in my company and my university it seems like there's a strong demand for IT HelpDesk positions so I had a feeling you'd get the job.Idk man, I've been out there before too and taken more L's than I can count but I gotta do something. There's way too many hot professional girls at my job for me not to be getting laid....I just have no idea how to hit on these girls without getting matt lauer'd. Think I have a pretty good shot with one of my supervisors, bit overweight with a virgo peridot-ish build. She was fairly touchy when I went to her office but it's hard cause I can't just straight up bang her and risk jeopardizing what I have going on. Really gotta learn how to flirt without making it obvious like I usually do .

Lawd jesus at the bold lmao.

Thanks about the job man. Grantd I have **** where I've eaten many times (work,military). Something like "Im thinking about grabbing a drink after work wanna join in?"

If she doesnt like you she will decline. Leave it at that
If she does? After a few drinks she will open up and more than likely mention how she feels.

This is risky though. If it goes south and she gets weird it can forever make work weird.

you know the risk


That said even with the dancing an I'm super thirsty. No bro science, but recently my skin has gotten super oily, acne on my nose/forhead and I've had clear skin for along time, and random wood at all times. No sure what is going on but I feel like I'm 16.

In contrast to my misc brethren, my take is...

Beggars can't be choosers.

I agree there's some dubious signs and it looks like you're solidly friendzoned, BUT... what other options do you have? I've seen your posts and there's hardly a gaggle of women rushing to break down your door.

Also, from the sounds of things, this isn't just ANY girl; you've described her as your "oneitus" and I get the impression you get on well and enjoy each other's company.

I'm 32 years old with no options on the table, and I swear to fukin' God I would never disregard a girl I have some genuine chemistry with, no matter how slim my chances.

If she eventually gets a fella - fine - move the fuk on, but in the absence of that I'd say see where things take you.

no, no it's not better than nothing. Being "friends" with women you like is a net loss for men. She gets all the attention and dates she wants for no investment.

You're better mentally and emotionally pretending she doesn't exist. Get some self worth.

as much as this is true there are rare cases where men and women can be friends. 99.9% of the time though its because they have been friends since they were basically born or mutual family friends or something along those lines. Men and women normally dont just meet each other at 18 years old and just stay friends without one of them being friendzoned.

I think this advice is more applicable to teenage boys.

Grown ass men don't need be so juvenile about such things.

Out of curiosity, what does the acronym stand for?