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post 1680609973 04-11-2023, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted By frankdtank20⏩
Rates had been at zero for nearly a decade. They barely raised them at all in 2017-18, still effectively almost zero. At their highest point, which lasted for all of a year they were still at their 3rd lowest in history. They were only lower in the decade beforehand, and 2002-2004. Rates right now are historically very average. The FED causes these big bust and boom cycles. I can understand them dropping rates when OVERpanic about Covid hit, but they should have started raising rates by mid-2021 at the latest. Especially since tons of "free" money was being thrown around, with poorcels getting paid more to sit on their asses than they'd ever earned working.

The overheating they helped create they're undoing now. Automobiles are going to be in the same boat as foreclosed homes were during the Great Recession. Credit cards - fogedaboudit. Tons of people using them more than ever because inflation has been high. Lots of defaults coming there. Home prices will take a while to come back down, since the bust after a housing bubble takes years to play out. I'd advise a lot of people to move their investments into slow growth, high dividend stocks and don't sell for several years, but that's probably a thread all its own.
The Fed started increasing rates in late 16 and got them to 2.25 - 2.5 by 19. Trump cried so much that they lowered them to 1.75 by the end of 19. Rates could have been around 3 when the rona hit and inflation may have been kept better in check than it was. We'll never know since Trump cried and cried and cried until rates were reduced. Definitely contributed to the inflation that Biden is just getting us out of now.
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post 1680610023 04-11-2023, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted By Procta⏩
70% of Americans are feeling financially stressed, new CNBC survey finds

CNBC’s Financial Confidence Survey, conducted in partnership with Momentive, found most Americans are living paycheck to paycheck.
Fewer than half of U.S. adults said they have an emergency fund.
More women than men admit feeling financially stressed.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/11/70pe...vey-finds.html
Wait, Americans living paycheck to paycheck is new?

LMFAO
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post 1680610123 04-11-2023, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted By Abzu⏩
The fed has a 2% inflation target, if inflation runs higher than 2% then the fed raises interest rates, if inflation runs lower than 2% then the fed cuts interest rates.

In 2019, the average inflation rate was about 1.8%, that is below 2% so the fed cut interest rates.

I'd like the fed to do its job, If the fed did its job, they would have raised interest rates in 2021.



Biden goes on to spend money that wasn't needed or wasn't needed given inflation.

The fed allows Biden to do this and they still don't raise interest rates with inflation.

The fed and Biden did this to make him look good economically in 2021 and 2024.



If the fed raises rates in 2021, the economy crashes and Biden never looks good economically.

The economy doesn't recover from domestic strength, it recovers from rate cuts.

Biden also can't spend money and we don't aggravate Russia into war.
How do you think Trump's tax cuts for the rich and massive spending that added $8T to the debt impacted the inflation we're seeing now? Biden has spent a quarter of what Trump spent you realize, yes?
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post 1680611693 04-11-2023, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
The Fed started increasing rates in late 16 and got them to 2.25 - 2.5 by 19. Trump cried so much that they lowered them to 1.75 by the end of 19. Rates could have been around 3 when the rona hit and inflation may have been kept better in check than it was. We'll never know since Trump cried and cried and cried until rates were reduced. Definitely contributed to the inflation that Biden is just getting us out of now.
2 to 2.5 is nothing. So is 3. During the greatest economic growth of the 1990s, after the internet took off, Fed Funds rates were 5 to 6.5. Trillions of excess government dollars thrown around for people to sit home certainly didn't help inflation 2020-21. I know you want to point everything at Trump, but those are partisan DNC talking points. The Fed saw the economy was having slower growth in 2019 after growth had accelerated for a few years. Inflation had gotten so low in 2019 there was talk (with some mild panic among neoliberals) of deflation, and the Fed wasn't having that either. They don't give a fuk what the President says. Trump cries about a lot of things, and still does. They didn't lower from a whopping (sarcasm) 2.5 to 1.75 based on his whining. They were worried about deflation, as the inflation rate was barely 1% for 2019 until they did that slight lowering of rates.

The Fed LOVES 2% inflation and will do whatever they can to get it there. Once they lowered rates slightly inflation went back up to 2%. They know now they're going to cause a recession and millions of unemployed to get us at that 2% target again. They don't care. Powell has said so, unabashedly. It's why I've been laughing at people calling a Fed pivot would happen for about 9 months now. They may pause for awhile but they're not dropping rates until we get back to 2% inflation or we have an economic crash. That 2% inflation rate is holy for them.
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post 1680611923 04-11-2023, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
How do you think Trump's tax cuts for the rich and massive spending that added $8T to the debt impacted the inflation we're seeing now? Biden has spent a quarter of what Trump spent you realize, yes?
Context is important in all things, if you ignore it then you can be easily misled.

I think, no, I know tax cuts and government spending increase available dollars.

So I know Trump's tax cuts and spending during his term increased available dollars but that's not the end of the story, well, it's the end of the story if you want to ignore context. Yes, Trump's tax cuts and spending increased available dollars to Americans BUT Americans enjoyed an average inflation rate of around 1.9% from 2016 to 2020, had big income increases before 2020 spending and the spending in 2020 was largely necessary. It's not impossible to make Americans richer from top to bottom while enjoying a relatively deflationary environment.
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post 1680617333 04-11-2023, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted By Abzu⏩
Context is important in all things, if you ignore it then you can be easily misled.

I think, no, I know tax cuts and government spending increase available dollars.

So I know Trump's tax cuts and spending during his term increased available dollars but that's not the end of the story, well, it's the end of the story if you want to ignore context. Yes, Trump's tax cuts and spending increased available dollars to Americans BUT Americans enjoyed an average inflation rate of around 1.9% from 2016 to 2020, had big income increases before 2020 spending and the spending in 2020 was largely necessary. It's not impossible to make Americans richer from top to bottom while enjoying a relatively deflationary environment.
So Sillie is right as usual. Biden conquered the bungling of covid by Trump and he's renewing our economy quite bigly.

Thanks Joe!
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post 1680617863 04-11-2023, 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
So Sillie is right as usual. Biden conquered the bungling of covid by Trump and he's renewing our economy quite bigly.

Thanks Joe!
What did Biden do? Other than try and force vaccines on the US population, by threatening them with the loss of their jobs, and turning them into second class citizens? Actually worse than second class citizens.
post 1680619143 04-11-2023, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
What did Biden do? Other than try and force vaccines on the US population, by threatening them with the loss of their jobs, and turning them into second class citizens? Actually worse than second class citizens.
Are businesses open, no masks required, and the economy thriving?

I know you're a moron but if you can't tell the difference between now and 2020 even I can't help you boyo.
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post 1680620803 04-11-2023, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
Are businesses open, no masks required, and the economy thriving?

I know you're a moron but if you can't tell the difference between now and 2020 even I can't help you boyo.
So what did Biden do? And if the economy is thriving, why are so many people living at home with mommy till they're 30 and older? Why are people living paycheck to paycheck?
post 1680622263 04-11-2023, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
Do you also realize that Trump's complete bungling of the covid response led to crushed demand so much so that oil companies took production off line.
Sillie you have said a lot of very disingenuous things over the years.....but this may be the most extreme. It is so far from what actually happened as to be in an alternate universe. The Dem Governors for the most part dictated the covid response that hurt this country the most. End of story.

This is why so many have issues with you. It is fine to hate Trump and conservatives. Whatever. OF course you are obsessed with Trump but that is another story. But to just make up outright lies like this? It makes you look like a crazy person. You do this all of the time when it comes to the economy and interest rates. I know some of this stems from the fact that you are just not very educated on the matter....but wow.

You have to understand 2 things. One whether interest rates are at 1% of 3-4% makes little know difference in the overall economy. You get up over 5-7% then yeah things start to tighten up economically. But you talking about Trump demanding a half a point cut and how detrimental that was to inflation? Just no lol.

When the Fed makes their Interest rate statements on raising or lowering....it isn't about the actual 1/4 to 1/2 point raise. It is meaningless. What matter is what the FED says. It's tone. And what the market reads into that as far as interest rate levels in the coming 1-2 years. The market always looks forward. Not behind or in the present.

I don't expect you to know this as most people don't, but you really need to understand the basic concepts if you are going to speak about this.

Not to mention and this is something that you have never brought up.......in the late 2017-2019 the Fed was worried greatly about DEflation. Not inflation. That was all you read about for months. Asset devaluation and how that is going to kill the economy. So of course they are not going to raise interest rates then.

But you never ever mention that.
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post 1680622623 04-11-2023, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted By Abzu⏩
Context is important in all things, if you ignore it then you can be easily misled.

I think, no, I know tax cuts and government spending increase available dollars.

So I know Trump's tax cuts and spending during his term increased available dollars but that's not the end of the story, well, it's the end of the story if you want to ignore context. Yes, Trump's tax cuts and spending increased available dollars to Americans BUT Americans enjoyed an average inflation rate of around 1.9% from 2016 to 2020, had big income increases before 2020 spending and the spending in 2020 was largely necessary. It's not impossible to make Americans richer from top to bottom while enjoying a relatively deflationary environment.
The biggest thing Trump did by far, bar none was as soon as he got into office? He deregulated business. Made it much easier for American companies to practice business capitalism.

Biden sadly had reversed much of that and the economy is slowing down as a result.
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post 1680622743 04-11-2023, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted By BeachPro11⏩
Sillie you have said a lot of very disingenuous things over the years.....but this may be the most extreme. It is so far from what actually happened as to be in an alternate universe. The Dem Governors for the most part dictated the covid response that hurt this country the most. End of story.

This is why so many have issues with you. It is fine to hate Trump and conservatives. Whatever. OF course you are obsessed with Trump but that is another story. But to just make up outright lies like this? It makes you look like a crazy person. You do this all of the time when it comes to the economy and interest rates. I know some of this stems from the fact that you are just not very educated on the matter....but wow.

You have to understand 2 things. One whether interest rates are at 1% of 3-4% makes little know difference in the overall economy. You get up over 5-7% then yeah things start to tighten up economically. But you talking about Trump demanding a half a point cut and how detrimental that was to inflation? Just no lol.

When the Fed makes their Interest rate statements on raising or lowering....it isn't about the actual 1/4 to 1/2 point raise. It is meaningless. What matter is what the FED says. It's tone. And what the market reads into that as far as interest rate levels in the coming 1-2 years. The market always looks forward. Not behind or in the present.

I don't expect you to know this as most people don't, but you really need to understand the basic concepts if you are going to speak about this.

Not to mention and this is something that you have never brought up.......in the late 2017-2019 the Fed was worried greatly about DEflation. Not inflation. That was all you read about for months. Asset devaluation and how that is going to kill the economy. So of course they are not going to raise interest rates then.

But you never ever mention that.
You don't think the Fed rate impacts the economy? So the cost of debt doesn't impact businesses?

And if the Fed rate was no big deal, why was Trump the only president in the last 50 years to cry about interest rates?
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post 1680622853 04-11-2023, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
Are businesses open, no masks required, and the economy thriving?

I know you're a moron but if you can't tell the difference between now and 2020 even I can't help you boyo.
And you honestly believe that was the result of Biden?

Remember you and all the libs calling DeSantis a murderer when he left FL open?

Businesses are open and masks are gone (as they should have been the entire time) because the covid virus ran its course. As all viruses do. They mutate and eventually either die off or become less viral. There is no more covid today in FL than there is in NYC or CA because again....the virus ran its course. Only difference is FL stayed open the whole time.

I mean....do you want to give Biden credit for curing the entire world of covid? Because the same thing that happened in the USA (virus dying off) happened everywhere.
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
You don't think the Fed rate impacts the economy? So the cost of debt doesn't impact businesses?

And if the Fed rate was no big deal, why was Trump the only president in the last 50 years to cry about interest rates?
If it is a cut from 3.5% to 3% or a raise from 3% to 3.5%? No. It does not matter one bit. It's meaningless.

As I said all that matters is what the Fed says in its minutes. Is the tone one of opening or tightening? Is that tone and pattern likely to last a year or longer?

That is ALL the markets look at. As I said once interest rates get to a certain level and stay there for an extended period? Then of course that can effect the economy as we are seeing with housing sales for example. But for the most part the FEDs likely pattern is what is looked at.

For example if the FED thinks inflation is under control? They may leave interest rates at a 5-6% level at the next Fed meeting but say in their minutes that they are likely to start lowering in the near future if things continue to improve. That would spur a bigger stock market response and overall business climate response than an actual rate cut to 3% but with a caveat that they may raise again in the near future. Of course the FED would never make such a drastic cut but I am just trying to show what the market looks at...and that is 6-12 months into the future.
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
The Fed started increasing rates in late 16 and got them to 2.25 - 2.5 by 19. Trump cried so much that they lowered them to 1.75 by the end of 19. Rates could have been around 3 when the rona hit and inflation may have been kept better in check than it was. We'll never know since Trump cried and cried and cried until rates were reduced. Definitely contributed to the inflation that Biden is just getting us out of now.
just getting us out of now... LOL listen to this fat phuck

this time next year this fat phuck is going to be saying the same sh*t word for word, "just getting us out of"

soon guys very soon we'll have $2 a gallon gasoline, and won't have to pay $50 for a couple cheeseburgers at chili's. It's almost about to kick in, don't you worry guys democrats ( the adults! ) got this sh*t under control baby.
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schawb lost 47 billion dollars in assets this past month

fat bazzillie over here like "we be thriving, we the adults man!"

people making bank runs right now, "we thriving yo, I said it!"
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
The Fed started increasing rates in late 16 and got them to 2.25 - 2.5 by 19. Trump cried so much that they lowered them to 1.75 by the end of 19. Rates could have been around 3 when the rona hit and inflation may have been kept better in check than it was. We'll never know since Trump cried and cried and cried until rates were reduced. Definitely contributed to the inflation that Biden is just getting us out of now.
Liberals will liberal. Always Trumps fault. Remember when Biden was campaigning and pledged to take responsibility if he was president. Mocking trump. Only to now put all the blame on Putin and trump. That was awesome.

Do the blame game all you want. The real question is, what has Biden done to help the current situation?
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Most jobs ever. Market up bigly. Wages up bigly.

And now Trumpinflation coming in at 5% from a high of 9% less than a year ago. All without a single chit tweet from the president criticizing the Fed for BIGLY raising interest rates.

Biden's really got this country on the right track and out of the wreckage Trump left!

Thanks Joe!
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Blackrock now reporting that the Fed won't be able to curtail inflation and it will be years of high prices.



Dat dere Biden economy.
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Originally Posted By leafs43⏩
Blackrock now reporting that the Fed won't be able to curtail inflation and it will be years of high prices.



Dat dere Biden economy.
LOLOLOL

Biden has already brought down Trumpflation from 9% to 5%. And can you tell me what actions Biden took that outweigh the $8T in debt Trump added, his bullying the Fed to keep rates near 0%, and his tax cuts for the rich that bigly increased the amount of dollars available, and his horrid handling of covid that crushed supply chains.

Other than that, inflation is clearly on Biden....

LOLOLOLOL
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
Most jobs ever. Market up bigly. Wages up bigly.

And now Trumpinflation coming in at 5% from a high of 9% less than a year ago. All without a single chit tweet from the president criticizing the Fed for BIGLY raising interest rates.

Biden's really got this country on the right track and out of the wreckage Trump left!

Thanks Joe!
Srs question, how long will liberals blame trump for anything that’s bad and take credit for everything that is good. It’s pretty hilarious, like clockwork every time.

Grow up and take responsibility like an adult
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Originally Posted By Berts⏩
Srs question, how long will liberals blame trump for anything that’s bad and take credit for everything that is good. It’s pretty hilarious, like clockwork every time.

Grow up and take responsibility like an adult
Serious question. Was the country a hot mess when Biden took over? Was unemployment 7% and GDP negative? Explain to me how Biden spend 1/3rd of what Trump did caused inflation. Explain how the supply chain disaster Trump left for Biden is Biden’s fault?

Maybe acknowledge that bringing the country back from the mess left by Trump in 2 years is pretty amazing.
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
Serious question. Was the country a hot mess when Biden took over? Was unemployment 7% and GDP negative? Explain to me how Biden spend 1/3rd of what Trump did caused inflation. Explain how the supply chain disaster Trump left for Biden is Biden’s fault?

Maybe acknowledge that bringing the country back from the mess left by Trump in 2 years is pretty amazing.
Lol.

All those questions have already been answered, you apparently don't want them.

Even your series of questions sometimes anwser themselves, "Was unemployment 7% and GDP negative?" to "Explain to me how Biden spend 1/3rd of what Trump did caused inflation." is more like a question and anwser rather than two congruent questions. Yes unemployment was high and GDP low due to a global pandemic which explains why so much money was spent under Trump in 2020, what Biden spent was largely unnecessary and the fed never checked him by raising rates in response to his unnecessary spending.



Now ask the same questions again.
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post 1680665473 04-12-2023, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
Serious question. Was the country a hot mess when Biden took over? Was unemployment 7% and GDP negative? Explain to me how Biden spend 1/3rd of what Trump did caused inflation. Explain how the supply chain disaster Trump left for Biden is Biden’s fault?

Maybe acknowledge that bringing the country back from the mess left by Trump in 2 years is pretty amazing.
Weren't you one of the biggest supporters of these lockdowns, restrictions and mandates? And now you're trying to rewrite history?
post 1680666033 04-12-2023, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted By Abzu⏩
Lol.

All those questions have already been answered, you apparently don't want them.

Even your series of questions sometimes anwser themselves, "Was unemployment 7% and GDP negative?" to "Explain to me how Biden spend 1/3rd of what Trump did caused inflation." is more like a question and anwser rather than two congruent questions. Yes unemployment was high and GDP low due to a global pandemic which explains why so much money was spent under Trump in 2020, what Biden spent was largely unnecessary and the fed never checked him by raising rates in response to his unnecessary spending.



Now ask the same questions again.
Help me out here. You admit that the global pandemic and Trump's horrid handling of it crushed our economy. Do you give Biden credit for the amazing recovery? And Trump spent tons of money in 20 (and before) that was ok, but Biden spent was largely unnecessary (despite taking over a dumpster fire by your own admission) and the fed never checked him by raising rates? Uh, the Fed has been raising rates like nuts boyo. And you think the 1/3rd of the $'s that Biden spent caused inflation but not the 2/3 more that Trump spent?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

It's so insightful seeing how you people "think." No wonder a moron conman like Trump has been able to recruit so many of you to his cult.

Unbelievable...SMH
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post 1680667773 04-12-2023, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
Help me out here. You admit that the global pandemic and Trump's horrid handling of it crushed our economy. Do you give Biden credit for the amazing recovery? And Trump spent tons of money in 20 (and before) that was ok, but Biden spent was largely unnecessary (despite taking over a dumpster fire by your own admission) and the fed never checked him by raising rates? Uh, the Fed has been raising rates like nuts boyo. And you think the 1/3rd of the $'s that Biden spent caused inflation but not the 2/3 more that Trump spent?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

It's so insightful seeing how you people "think." No wonder a moron conman like Trump has been able to recruit so many of you to his cult.

Unbelievable...SMH
Man, you certainly know how to suck the energy right out of me and then you just keep sucking lol, take a breath foo, I never said "Trump's horrid handling crushed our economy" or anything similar to that.
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post 1680668493 04-12-2023, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
Help me out here. You admit that the global pandemic and Trump's horrid handling of it crushed our economy. Do you give Biden credit for the amazing recovery? And Trump spent tons of money in 20 (and before) that was ok, but Biden spent was largely unnecessary (despite taking over a dumpster fire by your own admission) and the fed never checked him by raising rates? Uh, the Fed has been raising rates like nuts boyo. And you think the 1/3rd of the $'s that Biden spent caused inflation but not the 2/3 more that Trump spent?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

It's so insightful seeing how you people "think." No wonder a moron conman like Trump has been able to recruit so many of you to his cult.

Unbelievable...SMH
I'm not a big Trump fan but Trump's economy was very good for me even during a pandemic. Biden's has been the total opposite for me. 9 straight times they have raised rates under Biden. Its brutal out there. I was very close to set up to build a vacation home. Then Biden came in and squashed that dream for at least 4 years. I'm not building anymore. Insane inflation and funding a war sketches me out. Feels like Biden has brought us closer to a civil war then we have ever been not to mention WWIII

Stay safe out there brah
post 1680670283 04-12-2023, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
Help me out here. You admit that the global pandemic and Trump's horrid handling of it crushed our economy. Do you give Biden credit for the amazing recovery? And Trump spent tons of money in 20 (and before) that was ok, but Biden spent was largely unnecessary (despite taking over a dumpster fire by your own admission) and the fed never checked him by raising rates? Uh, the Fed has been raising rates like nuts boyo. And you think the 1/3rd of the $'s that Biden spent caused inflation but not the 2/3 more that Trump spent?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

It's so insightful seeing how you people "think." No wonder a moron conman like Trump has been able to recruit so many of you to his cult.

Unbelievable...SMH
What should Trump have done differently, and you still won't say what Biden did, other than try to make the jab mandatory.

If Biden is proof of anything, it's that we really don't need a president.
post 1680686093 04-12-2023, 05:36 PM
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democrats cry their way to finally getting trump to shut down, then fat bazzillie and his fat kids throw a tantrum and blame it on trump when it doesn't work out... it's almost like trump didn't like the idea to begin with

still trumps fault in fat bazzillie's ape brain
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