Ali grew up in an America which segregated blacks and whites and told blacks they were inferior.

He lived through black kids being refused entry to white schools. He lived through black people being kept out of white restaurants. He lived through the era where it wasn't uncommon for black men to be assaulted or even killed if they looked at a white woman the wrong way.

Denied decent jobs. Denied the right to vote. Not that far removed from lynchings being commonplace. Provided with a vastly inferior standard of education.

Emmett Till, Rosa Parks, etc. Police who were not only institutionally racist, but actively assaulted black people for ****s and giggles. Black people being arrested and convicted of crimes they didn't commit. They were oppressed to a degree that we can barely comprehend.

He has absolutely no reason to believe black people and white people could coexist. White people made it abundantly clear they didn't want to.

Yet, because he adopted the attitude that, okay, we won't coexist then - we will read the teachings of colonised people in other countries, who successfully fought colonisation, we will teach our own kind that we are not inferior, we will form our own nation, he is the racist :lol:

It's very easy to point to the example of Martin Luther King, but plenty of the most important figures in the civil rights movement - Malcolm X, Bobby Seale, Huey Newton, the list goes on - broadly believed in the same things as Ali. We are oppressed. We will fight oppression by any means necessary. You have spent a century vilifying us and telling us we are inferior, we will vilify you and tell our kind we are superior.

Ali's views were a product of his surroundings. White people gave him no reason to believe in them. As things changed, so did Ali's views. It's such a white way of looking at Ali's pov - disconnected from context - to suggest it resembled racism. They were the oppressed. They were fighting back, not casting the first stone. Even Malcolm X changed his views as he came to see coexistence in other parts of the world.

Despite all that, Ali never turned away a white kid who wanted to speak to him. He never held the sins of their fathers against them. He regularly gave speeches to white children, about bullying etc. There are photos of him teaching self defence to white children.

He took a stand and tried to help his own people, and advocated black nationalism in a country where segregation was already imposed by the white man. He and Malcolm X believed the only way to restore black pride was to create a black national identity. They didn't think this for a laugh. They thought it because black people had been stripped of their pride by white America.

And there is some evidence to suggest that Malcolm X and MLK were much closer than most people think. Malcolm X openly stated that by adopting an extreme stance, he would make MLK's more moderate approach far more palatable to white America.

Ali grew up in an America which segregated blacks and whites and told blacks they were inferior.

He lived through black kids being refused entry to white schools. He lived through black people being kept out of white restaurants. He lived through the era where it wasn't uncommon for black men to be assaulted or even killed if they looked at a white woman the wrong way.

Denied decent jobs. Denied the right to vote. Not that far removed from lynchings being commonplace. Provided with a vastly inferior standard of education.

Emmett Till, Rosa Parks, etc. Police who were not only institutionally racist, but actively assaulted black people for ****s and giggles. Black people being arrested and convicted of crimes they didn't commit. They were oppressed to a degree that we can barely comprehend.

He has absolutely no reason to believe black people and white people could coexist. White people made it abundantly clear they didn't want to.

Yet, because he adopted the attitude that, okay, we won't coexist then - we will read the teachings of colonised people in other countries, who successfully fought colonisation, we will teach our own kind that we are not inferior, we will form our own nation, he is the racist :lol:

It's very easy to point to the example of Martin Luther King, but plenty of the most important figures in the civil rights movement - Malcolm X, Bobby Seale, Huey Newton, the list goes on - broadly believed in the same things as Ali. We are oppressed. We will fight oppression by any means necessary. You have spent a century vilifying us and telling us we are inferior, we will vilify you and tell our kind we are superior.

Ali's views were a product of his surroundings. White people gave him no reason to believe in them. As things changed, so did Ali's views. It's such a white way of looking at Ali's pov - disconnected from context - to suggest it resembled racism. They were the oppressed. They were fighting back, not casting the first stone. Even Malcolm X changed his views as he came to see coexistence in other parts of the world.

Despite all that, Ali never turned away a white kid who wanted to speak to him. He never held the sins of their fathers against them. He regularly gave speeches to white children, about bullying etc. There are photos of him teaching self defence to white children.

He took a stand and tried to help his own people, and advocated black nationalism in a country where segregation was already imposed by the white man. He and Malcolm X believed the only way to restore black pride was to create a black national identity. They didn't think this for a laugh. They thought it because black people had been stripped of their pride by white America.

And there is some evidence to suggest that Malcolm X and MLK were much closer than most people think. Malcolm X openly stated that by adopting an extreme stance, he would make MLK's more moderate approach far more palatable to white America.

Why do you have a hard time with someone refusing to join the US's participation in Vietnam's civil war?

location AUS. Not knowledgeable enough in 1960's USA white-black dynamics, no matter what you say.

When your country asks you to fight, you fight, not flee.

It doesn't matter what the war was or wasn't. The United States told you, hey, time to go to war. You grab your chit and go fight for your country.

That's my belief.

I also understand race issues were much different then, but the Malcom X ideology is akin to Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson with violence. It does nothing but destroy race relations and invoke racism.

Not justifying slavery... but the alternative is, return to Africa? How are things over there? How are things in Congo and Ethiopia? Slavery has existed well before the B.C.. Point being... almost every culture, nationality, and religion has been enslaved and oppressed at some point throughout history. Why are African-Americans STILL crying about this, as if they themselves don't enjoy the liberties of America, or that there isn't a black president. The Jews were slaughtered by the millions only a few decades ago, and I have never heard a jew play the victim card.

Jesus Christ, I could write a book about this.

When your country asks you to fight, you fight, not flee.

It doesn't matter what the war was or wasn't. The United States told you, hey, time to go to war. You grab your chit and go fight for your country.

That's my belief.

I also understand race issues were much different then, but the Malcom X ideology is akin to Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson with violence. It does nothing but destroy race relations and invoke racism.

When your country asks you to fight, you fight, not flee.

It doesn't matter what the war was or wasn't. The United States told you, hey, time to go to war. You grab your chit and go fight for your country.

That's my belief.

I also understand race issues were much different then, but the Malcom X ideology is akin to Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson with violence. It does nothing but destroy race relations and invoke racism.

He was heavily connected to the Nation if Islam, Malcolm X and violent radicals. Not to mention he dodged the military during a time of war.

Given, he seems like he treated fans well... But they are talking like George Washinton just died on every TV station.

Man I knew the main misc demographic was redneck white brahs but jesus christ OP. Never go full retard.




If anything, the reason not to like Ali was his treatment of frazier.

When your country asks you to fight, you fight, not flee.

It doesn't matter what the war was or wasn't. The United States told you, hey, time to go to war. You grab your chit and go fight for your country.

That's my belief.

I also understand race issues were much different then, but the Malcom X ideology is akin to Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson with violence. It does nothing but destroy race relations and invoke racism.

I see. My fault for the misunderstanding Derek.

But to that my response would be that the Ali was a very very famous celebrity. I obviously wasn't alive back then, but I would find it very hard to imagine him facing anything close to what the average african american faced when it came to being denied entry into restaurants etc.

When your country asks you to fight, you fight, not flee.

It doesn't matter what the war was or wasn't. The United States told you, hey, time to go to war. You grab your chit and go fight for your country.

That's my belief.

I also understand race issues were much different then, but the Malcom X ideology is akin to Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson with violence. It does nothing but destroy race relations and invoke racism.

Only idiots think that muhammad was a genius, I've heard his speeches, the illusion that makes him sound intelligent is the fact that he is extroverted, but any intelligent guy who analyzes the points he puts on the table will recognize that he is a complete retard. And when googling IQ, this is what I found:

"Evidently Ali took an IQ test for the Army and was scored a 78."

Ali grew up in an America which segregated blacks and whites and told blacks they were inferior.

He lived through black kids being refused entry to white schools. He lived through black people being kept out of white restaurants. He lived through the era where it wasn't uncommon for black men to be assaulted or even killed if they looked at a white woman the wrong way.

Denied decent jobs. Denied the right to vote. Not that far removed from lynchings being commonplace. Provided with a vastly inferior standard of education.

Emmett Till, Rosa Parks, etc. Police who were not only institutionally racist, but actively assaulted black people for ****s and giggles. Black people being arrested and convicted of crimes they didn't commit. They were oppressed to a degree that we can barely comprehend.

He has absolutely no reason to believe black people and white people could coexist. White people made it abundantly clear they didn't want to.

Yet, because he adopted the attitude that, okay, we won't coexist then - we will read the teachings of colonised people in other countries, who successfully fought colonisation, we will teach our own kind that we are not inferior, we will form our own nation, he is the racist :lol:

It's very easy to point to the example of Martin Luther King, but plenty of the most important figures in the civil rights movement - Malcolm X, Bobby Seale, Huey Newton, the list goes on - broadly believed in the same things as Ali. We are oppressed. We will fight oppression by any means necessary. You have spent a century vilifying us and telling us we are inferior, we will vilify you and tell our kind we are superior.

Ali's views were a product of his surroundings. White people gave him no reason to believe in them. As things changed, so did Ali's views. It's such a white way of looking at Ali's pov - disconnected from context - to suggest it resembled racism. They were the oppressed. They were fighting back, not casting the first stone. Even Malcolm X changed his views as he came to see coexistence in other parts of the world.

Despite all that, Ali never turned away a white kid who wanted to speak to him. He never held the sins of their fathers against them. He regularly gave speeches to white children, about bullying etc. There are photos of him teaching self defence to white children.

He took a stand and tried to help his own people, and advocated black nationalism in a country where segregation was already imposed by the white man. He and Malcolm X believed the only way to restore black pride was to create a black national identity. They didn't think this for a laugh. They thought it because black people had been stripped of their pride by white America.

And there is some evidence to suggest that Malcolm X and MLK were much closer than most people think. Malcolm X openly stated that by adopting an extreme stance, he would make MLK's more moderate approach far more palatable to white America.

No, I'm not. But I also think the people blaming the servicemen for what was going on were disgusting too.

Lost it

strong name to post ratio. No one even said ali was a genius. negged weird FA 4channer. I can smell the autism from a mile away coming from you brah.



Lemme guess, your that "intelligent guy"? Lmao. I love how every FA thinks their some edgy cut-throat logical genius. If u so smart why cant u get laid lmfao?

The ultimate hilarity of introverts is that their both incredibly arrogant/intellectual while at the same time incredibly insecure and beta.

When your country asks you to fight, you fight, not flee.

It doesn't matter what the war was or wasn't. The United States told you, hey, time to go to war. You grab your chit and go fight for your country.

That's my belief.

I also understand race issues were much different then, but the Malcom X ideology is akin to Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson with violence. It does nothing but destroy race relations and invoke racism.

as if george washington wasn't the most alpha man to ever walk the planet