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post 1491884861 04-20-2017, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted By US_Ranger
^^^^

Good post but only covers part of it.

I agree though, especially about the baby boomers ruining everything. I know people that retired in their 60's and 70's making over 100k a fcking year. IN RETIREMENT! Why? They were school teachers, librarians, etc. They had it made with their jobs growing up and pensions were promised and they make so much money in retirement that the next generation of teachers is getting 30k a year with no benefits.

Lmao. You can't make this **** up. It's insane.
real talk i know a dude making 8k a month for the rest of his life. hes 70. law enforcement.
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Baby boomers ruined everything

- Bought all the cheap housing, now won't sell any of it.
- Demand masters degrees for their entry level positions, don't have a degree themselves
- Won't fuk off and retire because they have it good, preventing younger people from getting promoted and getting jobs
- Retirement funds are non sustainable due to aging population so the younger people end up subsidising the boomers retirements. There will be no retirement funds left once we reach retirement age
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Those numbers don't add up...

1/3 of 70 million is around 23 million and 1/4 of that is 5.75 million... which is way more than 2.2 million
post 1491886101 04-20-2017, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted By Bar182
Baby boomers ruined everything

- Bought all the cheap housing, now won't sell any of it.
- Demand masters degrees for their entry level positions, don't have a degree themselves
- Won't fuk off and retire because they have it good, preventing younger people from getting promoted and getting jobs
- Retirement funds are non sustainable due to aging population so the younger people end up subsidising the boomers retirements. There will be no retirement funds left once we reach retirement age
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

So true.

They can hardly use excel and the internet ahahahhahha

It's all just such a joke.

Everyone thinks some of these businesses are all fancy, complicated and high tech, and it's all still done with paper and pen AHAHAHAHHAHA.
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Originally Posted By Qong
Millennials have serious economic issues that previous post-WWII generations didn't have to deal with.

Since my father entered adulthood the population of the country has nearly doubled, something like 150 million more people are now Americans. That's 150 million more people who need jobs. 150 million more people who need houses. That's why a ****hole in Los Angeles costs hundreds of thousands of dollars, whereas my father could have purchased that same house for a small fraction of that. And back then the neighborhood was better and the schools were better.

Allowing all of those people into the country, the Hispanic population in that time period has gone from 6 million to 60 million and that isn't counting people who are here illegally, has destroyed our labor market. That's why wages are so low. That's why millennials have fewer opportunities than their parents had.



The union argument is scapegoating imo.

The population of the country since 1960 has nearly doubled. The Hispanic population of the country went from 6 million to 60 million. If we add in illegal immigrants then it's at least 10 million higher. That huge influx in immigration severely depressed the labor market. In 1960 a person could easily get a job that paid for a house, a car, and a family. Right now a person cannot easily get a job that affords nearly as much.

That isn't to say that there aren't opportunities now, of course there are, but we can't ignore the fact that millennials are dealing with a tougher economic environment than previous post-WWII generations were and that it's because of the terrible policies that those previous generations implemented. Ridiculous immigration. Ridiculous trade agreements. It all adds up.
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Originally Posted By Nastradoomus
real talk i know a dude making 8k a month for the rest of his life. hes 70. law enforcement.
yeah its retarded as hell. back then so many jobs took advantage of what they had at the time to the max AND took from the future too lol. the double wammy.

nowadays we cant even get 1 of those. they got it all.
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Wat? Who is 25+ living in a college dorm??

I agree a lot of jobs today are basic yet ask for years of experience. What happened to jobs hiring people and training them to what they need?
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1/4 of millennials...

but 349/350 miscers.
post 1491889861 04-20-2017, 11:03 PM
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I guess I qualify as a NEET

-Living w mom/dad
-Not in school
-No job
-Medical condition preventing me from all of the above
-Starting MBA school in the fall (if my health improves, ive been accepted already)
post 1491890751 04-20-2017, 11:18 PM
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wonder what percentage of miscers are NEETS
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Originally Posted By yondy12
Reason #1 why i don't want to have kids, living in Vancouver, the average detached home costs 1.2 million. Average salary is 38,000/yr after tax. At a 15% downpayment, that's 180,000$

If you are making around 55k gross before tax (considered good for a uni grad in Vancouver), it will take you roughly 7 years of saving 100% of your income in order to afford the downpayment for a house.

Just lol at raising 2 kids in a 700 square feet apartment

My family is decently well-off but i want to be independent, it's a tough life for alot of vancouver millenials
That's just insanity... The average house price in L.A. is like $600k and I thought that was absurdly expensive. When you said that about Vancouver's house prices, I literally didn't believe you. Had to google it myself... sure enough, average is over $1M.

It's pretty much impossible for a millennial to afford a house without dumping their entire salary into it, these days. Government seriously needs to do something to fix this, because it's going to screw over the future of the country if this continues
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Originally Posted By DrunkPanda18
That's just insanity... The average house price in L.A. is like $600k and I thought that was absurdly expensive. When you said that about Vancouver's house prices, I literally didn't believe you. Had to google it myself... sure enough, average is over $1M.

It's pretty much impossible for a millennial to afford a house without dumping their entire salary into it, these days. Government seriously needs to do something to fix this, because it's going to screw over the future of the country if this continues
It's really insane when you think about how some people slave away countless hours of their life to live in a box made of cheap materials.

We went from building cabins in the woods in a few months to working for a home for 30+ years.

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Originally Posted By DrunkPanda18
That's just insanity... The average house price in L.A. is like $600k and I thought that was absurdly expensive. When you said that about Vancouver's house prices, I literally didn't believe you. Had to google it myself... sure enough, average is over $1M.

It's pretty much impossible for a millennial to afford a house without dumping their entire salary into it, these days. Government seriously needs to do something to fix this, because it's going to screw over the future of the country if this continues
why not just dont live in vancouver?

what would happen if all the millenials moved further out of the expensive cities. leaving only the CEOs and old people
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Originally Posted By US_Ranger
^^^^

Good post but only covers part of it.

I agree though, especially about the baby boomers ruining everything. I know people that retired in their 60's and 70's making over 100k a fcking year. IN RETIREMENT! Why? They were school teachers, librarians, etc. They had it made with their jobs growing up and pensions were promised and they make so much money in retirement that the next generation of teachers is getting 30k a year with no benefits.

Lmao. You can't make this **** up. It's insane.
And those fukking morons literally think that this is because they were smarter and harder working than us. And that our generation has it easier than them (who literally had the easiest lives out of any generation in U.S. history), we are just entitled and lazy (despite studies showing that we actually work more hours on average than they did)....

I swear, most baby boomers are legitimately retarded.... which as you mentioned, is how they were able to take the greatest country on earth and pretty much destroy it's future within a single generation.

I rage so hard when I think about baby boomers. It's kind of like when a literally mentally retarded person calls you stupid. You know you aren't stupid, you know that the retarded person is in fact stupid. But there is no way for you to convince the retarded person of this fact, because they are literally too dumb to comprehend it, which gets frustrating.

That's how it feels when trying to convince baby boomers that they didn't have it harder than us, like they always claim. And that we aren't "lazy and entitled and should quit complaining because they went through all the same problems we did and they were still able to succeed so we have no excuses"
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Originally Posted By aherpderp
why not just dont live in vancouver?

what would happen if all the millenials moved further out of the expensive cities. leaving only the CEOs and old people
That is a brilliant solution, why didn't I think of that?
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Originally Posted By DrunkPanda18
And those fukking morons literally think that this is because they were smarter and harder working than us. And that our generation has it easier than them (who literally had the easiest lives out of any generation in U.S. history), we are just entitled and lazy (despite studies showing that we actually work more hours on average than they did)....

I swear, most baby boomers are legitimately retarded.... which as you mentioned, is how they were able to take the greatest country on earth and pretty much destroy it's future within a single generation.

I rage so hard when I think about baby boomers. It's kind of like when a literally mentally retarded person calls you stupid. You know you aren't stupid, you know that the retarded person is in fact stupid. But there is no way for you to convince the retarded person of this fact, because they are literally too dumb to comprehend it, which gets frustrating.

That's how it feels when trying to convince baby boomers that they didn't have it harder than us, like they always claim. And that we aren't "lazy and entitled and should quit complaining because they went through all the same problems we did and they were still able to succeed so we have no excuses"
it's all the crybaby libtards that give us a bad rap
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Originally Posted By Qong
The union argument is scapegoating imo.

The population of the country since 1960 has nearly doubled. The Hispanic population of the country went from 6 million to 60 million. If we add in illegal immigrants then it's at least 10 million higher. That huge influx in immigration severely depressed the labor market. In 1960 a person could easily get a job that paid for a house, a car, and a family. Right now a person cannot easily get a job that affords nearly as much.

That isn't to say that there aren't opportunities now, of course there are, but we can't ignore the fact that millennials are dealing with a tougher economic environment than previous post-WWII generations were and that it's because of the terrible policies that those previous generations implemented. Ridiculous immigration. Ridiculous trade agreements. It all adds up.
It's not "scapegoating". People don't appreciate either wage gap between the United States and the developing world, or how the world has changed since WWII. The average (not minimum) wage in Mexico is $2.4 per hour. For labor-intensive manufacture, Americans simply can't compete. Nevermind that American organized labor has been obliterated, and that most of the world has inched closer in both development and adopting free trade practices.Unless you erect massive trade barriers the jobs won't come back, and they won't pay anywhere as much.

The free trade deals aren't "ridiculous", they're just not as one-sided anymore and the US actually has to take losses somewhere to increase the pie size - like everyone else when they don't have a big American stick on their faces. The present economic world order has been preserved by the United States for many decades and countries around the world have undergone much suffering to adapt.

And I don't understand your obsession with population growth. If you take the same poll of people and double their size nothing changes aside from amount of space taken and resources consumed. The amount of jobs and job seekers will increase proportionally. If your argument is about disproportional low-skilled immigration, that will somewhat depress wages for low-skilled jobs, not for skilled trades or college degrees - in fact, the lower price point for low-skill labor enables job creation at higher levels.
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Originally Posted By gwem32170191
What are you if you work/train/educate by day and NEET by night?
A normal, functional member of society.
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Stupid title. If they don't live at home where the fuk do they live?
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Originally Posted By PisseninMisc
I'm sorry bro but you CAN do better.

My close buddy from college majored Bio and couldnt find a job. He took extra classes, got a Masters in engineering and just got hired full-time as a Utility engineer in a municipal power utility here in LA. He makes close to 6 figures starting, plus a benefits package that impressed me. Sure it took work, but it's doable.

You can do it brother, you really can. I know you must feel down now, but this guy wasn't a genius. Pretty smart, yes just as I am, but NOT an outlier, just beyond average. Research a career you can switch into with the least number of classes to take, get another BS or MS and switch careers.

Thats just one example of how someone succeeded who was in your exact situation. There are many many other paths that don't require a higher education. You can do it man, you just have to actually do it instead of chillin in the victim mentality crew. If you take action you will make it boyo.
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Originally Posted By DrunkPanda18
And those fukking morons literally think that this is because they were smarter and harder working than us. And that our generation has it easier than them (who literally had the easiest lives out of any generation in U.S. history), we are just entitled and lazy (despite studies showing that we actually work more hours on average than they did)....

I swear, most baby boomers are legitimately retarded.... which as you mentioned, is how they were able to take the greatest country on earth and pretty much destroy it's future within a single generation.

I rage so hard when I think about baby boomers. It's kind of like when a literally mentally retarded person calls you stupid. You know you aren't stupid, you know that the retarded person is in fact stupid. But there is no way for you to convince the retarded person of this fact, because they are literally too dumb to comprehend it, which gets frustrating.

That's how it feels when trying to convince baby boomers that they didn't have it harder than us, like they always claim. And that we aren't "lazy and entitled and should quit complaining because they went through all the same problems we did and they were still able to succeed so we have no excuses"
Yeah, they think they where super hard workers who never complained... because they never had it hard so no reason to complain or be pissed. Lmao.

Lol they had it on easy mode. We got hard difficulty
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Originally Posted By **********ORG
I don't know about you, but I don't see many people creating jobs these days. Every person is worried about who will hire them. And if they are "self-made" it is either a 1 man or very small operation.

These corporations have such a monopoly on the system that they have destroyed nearly all smaller/local competition. And since you now have women in the workforce(increased it by nearly 100%), constant immigrants incoming, you can be super picky with your candidates and make super high qualifications that are unnecessary, and/or pick someone who you know will be the best slave(hardest worker, most obedient).
Yeah. There are a lot of barriers to entry nowdays, and giant firms dominate most sectors. Imagine being like Ralph Lauren, and selling ties in a corner and turning that into a multibillion dollar business. That kind of chit just doesn't happen anymore. It's just impossible to compete and break into business against giant monopolies and oligopolies that have automated/sweat-shopped everything in production and maximized efficiency. You simply can't beat them. You either have to come up with something totally revolutionary or just work as a slave to the machine. You won't be able to put out a quality product at a cheaper price than your giant competitors. It happens in almost every industry, be it videogames, movies, food service, etc. Being early to the show is great. Like being in that first wave of software, social media, internet, or app companies. There are still some opportunities, but the economy isn't booming as much as it was during the '90's. Just gotta keep your eyes peeled for opportunities to start a good business.
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Probably fun for a short while I imagine but what do they do when they start approaching 30 with no career? That's a nightmare tbh
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Originally Posted By Bar182
Baby boomers ruined everything

- Bought all the cheap housing, now won't sell any of it.
- Demand masters degrees for their entry level positions, don't have a degree themselves
- Won't fuk off and retire because they have it good, preventing younger people from getting promoted and getting jobs
- Retirement funds are non sustainable due to aging population so the younger people end up subsidising the boomers retirements. There will be no retirement funds left once we reach retirement age
this, srs
Those scum siphoned off the energy/wealth of the unborn (us) via social programs and now we have to burden the cost in higher taxes to fund those programs =less opportunities, higher cost of living, lower standard of living etc
Millennials are trying to out due them with "free" college, "free" healthcare, etc essentially writing off a loan on the behalf of future generations without their consent. This system (statism) builds the environment for parasitical vampires to thrive in via inter-generational debt. These people are worse than thieves as they're totally ok with robbing you your entire life.

Originally Posted By TheIronAsylum
the system is broken
lol, no. The system is functioning just as it was meant to function.
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I would leave if I were you. I know what it feels like to have a toxic home environment... I started to get all these depressed, paranoid and fuked up thoughts. I didn't move out on my own but I no longer live with them. Felt great to no longer have those thoughts. Of course I still get sad feels when thinking of the past and I sort of feel bad about leaving but you gotta do what you gotta do.

You're right about gaining that knowledge... prepping a meal is like a lost art lol. Nobody can cook for sh!t because everything is made for them.

One thing my parents tried to do which IMO is fuking horrible is they tried to guilt trip me into staying... Like how the fuk can you try to deliberately make me feel bad for leaving knowing how fuked up the situation was? That was a messed up and manipulative thing to do.
I left home when I was 19 and haven't once thought about returning, same with my brother. I go visit every now and then but he never does. My mum tried to do the same thing with me a couple of months ago. Basically told me I was in a rut and should just come back home despite knowing absolutely nothing about the way I'm living or what I'm doing. I'd rather forfeit extra money for savings than go back to living w her or my dad. Both toxic people. I doubt they know any different though. I've met my grandparents and they do kinda seem like horrible people even though they're old and innocent.
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While I think it might be true to an extent, that some people are just lazy and don't want to do anything to improve their lives and don't put in the effort and work, I think millennials (myself would be considered a millennial) have it the hardest.

I remember when I was young my parents bought a house in the 90's for $149,000. It was 1,600 sq ft, finished basement, 3 bedrooms, 2 floors with a school 5 minutes walking distance in a decent neighbourhood in the suburbs. House was old as hell though, around 30-40 years at the time it was bought. That same house today in 2017 is worth $600,000. Just lmfao. For a small-ish, old, not very big semi-detached townhouse.

Affordable housing is something that just simply isn't feasible anymore where I live and many other places. Renting is also crazy. A 1 Bedroom apartment where I live is over $1,000 a month. A single room is $600, for a single ROOM! And they are very small too. And this becomes way more expensive the closer to the city I get. I think they did a study in the GTA (city+burbs) in 2016 where the average rent was about 1,900 a month and the sq ft was about 750. Prices are going up while the square footage is going down.

Most millennials honestly won't be able to afford a townhouse until their late 30's/early 40's. And it's probably going to be the smallest and ****tiest townhouse. At the rate things are going people who are teachers, police officers, firefighters, etc won't be able to afford half-decent housing creating labour shortages (more jobs? but what's the point if you can't afford to live there anyway?). Most millenials probably have racked up 20K-100K in debt from university/college on top of that. Long gone are the days of working full-time summer jobs to pay for your entire tuition.

You honestly can't blame millennials for choosing to live with their parents due to money constraints. However I think living with parents comes with complacency in the mind-set of millennials with having most of the things paid for them and not actually having to deal with the every day struggles of living by yourself and finding a job that pays enough for you to survive day to day. Finding a decent, non-deadend job that actually pays is difficult and there is a lot of pressure on us to succeed that perhaps we just don't deal with it too well.

Throw in politics, MSM, third-wave feminism, overall dumbing down of our institutions into the mix, people blaming millennials for everything, I really do feel for our generation. We've been taught and conditioned to think a certain way and when reality doesn't conform to what we've been taught/conditioned to think, it's like a giant red pill spawned that's been forced up are asses and we don't know how to think or react anymore.

The shift in our educational institutions really began in the 90's which is when most of the millennials were born and going to school, so it is hard to fault them.
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Originally Posted By sooby
While I think it might be true to an extent, that some people are just lazy and don't want to do anything to improve their lives and don't put in the effort and work, I think millennials (myself would be considered a millennial) have it the hardest.

I remember when I was young my parents bought a house in the 90's for $149,000. It was 1,600 sq ft, finished basement, 3 bedrooms, 2 floors with a school 5 minutes walking distance in a decent neighbourhood in the suburbs. House was old as hell though, around 30-40 years at the time it was bought. That same house today in 2017 is worth $600,000. Just lmfao. For a small-ish, old, not very big semi-detached townhouse.

Affordable housing is something that just simply isn't feasible anymore where I live and many other places. Renting is also crazy. A 1 Bedroom apartment where I live is over $1,000 a month. A single room is $600, for a single ROOM! And they are very small too. And this becomes way more expensive the closer to the city I get. I think they did a study in the GTA (city+burbs) in 2016 where the average rent was about 1,900 a month and the sq ft was about 750. Prices are going up while the square footage is going down.

Most millennials honestly won't be able to afford a townhouse until their late 30's/early 40's. And it's probably going to be the smallest and ****tiest townhouse. At the rate things are going people who are teachers, police officers, firefighters, etc won't be able to afford half-decent housing creating labour shortages (more jobs? but what's the point if you can't afford to live there anyway?). Most millenials probably have racked up 20K-100K in debt from university/college on top of that. Long gone are the days of working full-time summer jobs to pay for your entire tuition.

You honestly can't blame millennials for choosing to live with their parents due to money constraints. However I think living with parents comes with complacency in the mind-set of millennials with having most of the things paid for them and not actually having to deal with the every day struggles of living by yourself and finding a job that pays enough for you to survive day to day. Finding a decent, non-deadend job that actually pays is difficult and there is a lot of pressure on us to succeed that perhaps we just don't deal with it too well.

Throw in politics, MSM, third-wave feminism, overall dumbing down of our institutions into the mix, people blaming millennials for everything, I really do feel for our generation. We've been taught and conditioned to think a certain way and when reality doesn't conform to what we've been taught/conditioned to think, it's like a giant red pill spawned that's been forced up are asses and we don't know how to think or react anymore.

The shift in our educational institutions really began in the 90's which is when most of the millennials were born and going to school, so it is hard to fault them.
THIS FUKKING EXACTLY! Baby boomers keep blaming millennials for "lol, you expected to be handed a job just because you graduated college? You deserve to be struggling for thinking that". No chit we expected it!!! That's what every authority figure in our lives have been telling us since we were born! Our parents, our teachers, our parents' friends.... what logical reason would we have for NOT believing it?

I still remember when I was starting my senior year in college, majoring in accounting, I started to tell people that I was starting to get nervous that I didn't have any job offers. All of the older people I knew kept telling me "oh don't worry, you're fine. When you graduate, the offers will come flooding in, every company needs accountants". Then in my final semester, the economy/housing market crashed due to the fukking baby boomers.

I was like "well fuk... I'm screwed", not only did companies pretty much put a complete stop to hiring new graduates, many even pulled their offers to college kids that thought they had already secured a job! Luckily, I am smart and able to quickly adapt and come up with ways to overcome challenging obstacles and was able to make a success out of myself despite graduating at literally the worst possible moment in modern economic times. But I definitely had to go the long way about making it, compared to someone doing the exact same thing as me would, a generation earlier. I know plenty of people in my graduating class that were completely fukked and never ended up getting to even start a career in their major (and yes, they chose difficult majors that were supposed to make them attractive to companies, not art or history etc).

I remember, once I FINALLY started getting job interviews, everyone asked me why I hadn't had any accounting experience, despite being a year out of school. I thought I had a good answer "well, I graduated right when the economy crashed and companies mostly stopped hiring new graduates for entry level accounting positions". Eventually I realized that those ******* baby boomers didn't like my answer, because I was apparently supposed to get a job, despite the economy blowing up right in my face and companies putting hiring freezes on new college grads (after all, they got jobs right? why couldn't I?)
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