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11-20-2017, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted By nm1891⏩
Lol this doesn't happen often And you know itAlso how is it a shortcut if you are at or near your natty limit already once you start?
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11-20-2017, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted By TommyRO⏩
Happens enough, for smart lifters anyway. Guys using it as a a shortcut just to reach thier natty limit faster are the dudes who lose everything the second they're off becaise they never learned proper training and nutrition in the first place.Lol this doesn't happen often And you know it
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11-20-2017, 10:22 AM
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11-20-2017, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted By nm1891⏩
Because what ever you max out at naturally is the limit. Period.How is it cheating if you aren't competing in anything? Also how is it a shortcut if you are at or near your natty limit already once you start?
Anything beyond that is cheap. If it takes 3 years to see a .5% increase in LBM then that's what it takes.
And you are competing everytime you walk out of your house whether you want to or not.
Everytime you walk in a gym, a club an event or a job interview.
It gives an unfair competitive advantage.
It's too easy and cheapens the accomplishments of those who do it the right way.
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11-20-2017, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
Leo nailed it! Swoon.....Because what ever you max out at naturally is the limit. Period.
Anything beyond that is cheap. If it takes 3 years to see a .5% increase in LBM then that's what it takes.
And you are competing everytime you walk out of your house whether you want to or not.
Everytime you walk in a gym, a club an event or a job interview.
It gives an unfair competitive advantage.
It's too easy and cheapens the accomplishments of those who do it the right way.
Anything beyond that is cheap. If it takes 3 years to see a .5% increase in LBM then that's what it takes.
And you are competing everytime you walk out of your house whether you want to or not.
Everytime you walk in a gym, a club an event or a job interview.
It gives an unfair competitive advantage.
It's too easy and cheapens the accomplishments of those who do it the right way.
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
Assuming anyone anymore does it the "right way", dont be so naive. This reads^^ as sht people say who know very little about dat der.Because what ever you max out at naturally is the limit. Period.
Anything beyond that is cheap. If it takes 3 years to see a .5% increase in LBM then that's what it takes.
And you are competing everytime you walk out of your house whether you want to or not.
Everytime you walk in a gym, a club an event or a job interview.
It gives an unfair competitive advantage.
It's too easy and cheapens the accomplishments of those who do it the right way.
Anything beyond that is cheap. If it takes 3 years to see a .5% increase in LBM then that's what it takes.
And you are competing everytime you walk out of your house whether you want to or not.
Everytime you walk in a gym, a club an event or a job interview.
It gives an unfair competitive advantage.
It's too easy and cheapens the accomplishments of those who do it the right way.
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11-20-2017, 11:38 AM
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Ok, I agree with both sides on the dat dere issue; so just for the sake of friendly argument:
---If I choose to take more protein powder than my neighbor, is that "cheating"?
---If I choose to go 4 nights a week and he only lifts 3, is that "cheating"?
---I take Beta Alanine...am I cheating?
---If I do more supps than my neighbor?
---remember, prohormones were legal years ago. So were guys using them back then not cheating then, but are cheating now?
---If creatine were to become illegal, would we all be cheaters?
Basically, where's the line?
I've never done gear but know guys who are/have and can tell you it's not a magic pill. Still loads of work to be done and proper diet to make it work.
---If I choose to take more protein powder than my neighbor, is that "cheating"?
---If I choose to go 4 nights a week and he only lifts 3, is that "cheating"?
---I take Beta Alanine...am I cheating?
---If I do more supps than my neighbor?
---remember, prohormones were legal years ago. So were guys using them back then not cheating then, but are cheating now?
---If creatine were to become illegal, would we all be cheaters?
Basically, where's the line?
I've never done gear but know guys who are/have and can tell you it's not a magic pill. Still loads of work to be done and proper diet to make it work.
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11-20-2017, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
Nothing wrong with wanting to stay natty, it is obviously a very personal decision and there are definitely some cons to use but i still dont understand the notion of it being unfair. They are just a tool to take bb to the next level, some guys want to push thier bodies as far as they possibly can. By your logic having above average genetics is unfair because you didnt work harder for that either. Plus being jacked hardly gives many tangible benefits or advantages in day to day life anyway.Because what ever you max out at naturally is the limit. Period.
Anything beyond that is cheap. If it takes 3 years to see a .5% increase in LBM then that's what it takes.
And you are competing everytime you walk out of your house whether you want to or not.
Everytime you walk in a gym, a club an event or a job interview.
It gives an unfair competitive advantage.
It's too easy and cheapens the accomplishments of those who do it the right way.
Anything beyond that is cheap. If it takes 3 years to see a .5% increase in LBM then that's what it takes.
And you are competing everytime you walk out of your house whether you want to or not.
Everytime you walk in a gym, a club an event or a job interview.
It gives an unfair competitive advantage.
It's too easy and cheapens the accomplishments of those who do it the right way.
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11-20-2017, 11:50 AM
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11-20-2017, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
I don't think this makes sense, because whatever "natural" is arbitrary anyway, as an above poster says. But more importantly outside of a defined competition, you do you and I'll do me.Because what ever you max out at naturally is the limit. Period.
Anything beyond that is cheap. If it takes 3 years to see a .5% increase in LBM then that's what it takes.
And you are competing everytime you walk out of your house whether you want to or not.
Everytime you walk in a gym, a club an event or a job interview.
It gives an unfair competitive advantage.
It's too easy and cheapens the accomplishments of those who do it the right way.
Anything beyond that is cheap. If it takes 3 years to see a .5% increase in LBM then that's what it takes.
And you are competing everytime you walk out of your house whether you want to or not.
Everytime you walk in a gym, a club an event or a job interview.
It gives an unfair competitive advantage.
It's too easy and cheapens the accomplishments of those who do it the right way.
And besides, I'm sure it's far from "easy"
That's a really chitty way of trying to put into words what I'm trying to say, but I'm not as articulate as you so I'll just leave it at that.
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11-20-2017, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
You're the one that needs to expound. Define cheating......Care to expound?
cheat
CHēt/Submit
verb
gerund or present participle: cheating
1.
act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination.
"she always cheats at cards"
2.
avoid (something undesirable) by luck or skill.
Show me people who are lying about what they do?
11-20-2017, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted By nm1891⏩
Genetics is perfectly fair. I've competed and edged out people with genetic advantage by sheer will.Nothing wrong with wanting to stay natty, it is obviously a very personal decision and there are definitely some cons to use but i still dont understand the notion of it being unfair. They are just a tool to take bb to the next level, some guys want to push thier bodies as far as they possibly can. By your logic having above average genetics is unfair because you didnt work harder for that either. Plus being jacked hardly gives many tangible benefits or advantages in day to day life anyway.
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11-20-2017, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted By Muzzlrpress⏩
Are you going to tell me a clean 295 behind the neck push press is equal in your eyes to someone on juice?k den
And I actually don't belive in an actual wall of growth. I believe with consistent training you can keep.making miniscule gains you just have to be happy playing the long game.
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11-20-2017, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
Tested vs un tested strength records aren't actually that far apart. Drugs are more influential on hypertrophy. 295 push press in very impressive natty or otherwise.Are you going to tell me a clean 295 behind the neck push press is equal in your eyes to someone on juice?
And I actually don't belive in an actual wall of growth. I believe with consistent training you can keep.making miniscule gains you just have to be happy playing the long game.
And I actually don't belive in an actual wall of growth. I believe with consistent training you can keep.making miniscule gains you just have to be happy playing the long game.
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11-20-2017, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted By TommyRO⏩
Not saying they can. But a natty tng 300 to 400 bench should be in every 18 to 28yos possible total.wall is very real my friend, genetics make it real. Even two people on dat dere will have two different results. Not every can bench 600 pounds lol
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11-20-2017, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted By Muzzlrpress⏩
I get the age thing trust me. I'm 40lbs lighter muscle wise than at 19.An impressive lift is an impressive lift. There is no competition in the gym, only on the platform/stage. With that said, If two guys with the same build are both using that weight, but one is natty,then of course I'll be more impressed. Not sure what you're getting at here though.
As for a wall, of course there is. We cannot grow exponentially until we die. We will eventually get to a point where we can only maintain because of aging. Our hormone levels simply will not support new growth up to a point. Most of us will quit long before we see a wall, and some people wanna take a trip to the other side of it.
As for a wall, of course there is. We cannot grow exponentially until we die. We will eventually get to a point where we can only maintain because of aging. Our hormone levels simply will not support new growth up to a point. Most of us will quit long before we see a wall, and some people wanna take a trip to the other side of it.
I probably can't bench anymore than when I was a sophomore in HS now.
Even if I got off the lifting for show and got back on some strength cycles I'm not sure if I'll ever see 300 again.
But such is life for old guys. I'm still better than most natties my age.
But let's be real tea the guys my age shooting have an advantage in a blind side by side comparison for the same sloots that I have to outdo with charm and personality.
But if I don't get that chance ala tinder then my pool is slightly narrowed.
Women don't know the difference between clean and dirty.
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11-20-2017, 12:43 PM
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600 lb bench lol...
Also here's something to think about *******s...you don't lift for women, you lift for yourself. To test your limits and how far you can go. If a girl likes you, she will like you regardless if you look like Jay Cutler or Justin Bieber.
Also here's something to think about *******s...you don't lift for women, you lift for yourself. To test your limits and how far you can go. If a girl likes you, she will like you regardless if you look like Jay Cutler or Justin Bieber.
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11-20-2017, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
I member you. You're the polygamous mormon dude who likes to sleep around and cheat on women and is 70 years old and stuff. And blames everything on women.I get the age thing trust me. I'm 40lbs lighter muscle wise than at 19.
I probably can't bench anymore than when I was a sophomore in HS now.
Even if I got off the lifting for show and got back on some strength cycles I'm not sure if I'll ever see 300 again.
But such is life for old guys. I'm still better than most natties my age.
But let's be real tea the guys my age shooting have an advantage in a blind side by side comparison for the same sloots that I have to outdo with charm and personality.
But if I don't get that chance ala tinder then my pool is slightly narrowed.
Women don't know the difference between clean and dirty.
I probably can't bench anymore than when I was a sophomore in HS now.
Even if I got off the lifting for show and got back on some strength cycles I'm not sure if I'll ever see 300 again.
But such is life for old guys. I'm still better than most natties my age.
But let's be real tea the guys my age shooting have an advantage in a blind side by side comparison for the same sloots that I have to outdo with charm and personality.
But if I don't get that chance ala tinder then my pool is slightly narrowed.
Women don't know the difference between clean and dirty.
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11-20-2017, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted By BOZZ⏩
neggedAnyone else want a ban for discussing AAS? might want to edit your ****ing posts. 5 and counting
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